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- TheCamino, on 10/15/2008, -32/+94 Honestly though, I don't understand why someone would call Macs so expensive.
If your time is money (I edit video professionally, and the bill can get big fast)... then macs can be a lot cheaper, depending on what you're doing.
If I wanted to run a windows suite cutting video, I almost need a IT degree to do it.
Look, where I come from, time is money. If you're driving a delivery truck, then you can probably get something broken on the side of the road. When you're working in a client oriented field, and you're doing video work, you almost have to go Mac.
Not because of the software, but because you don't want to get a bad driver, you don't want to have a data collision, or an inoperable system issue that you have to spend a day saying to a client, "Sorry, the system is down."
When I was on Windows, before editing as a professsion, I was playing whack-a-mole all the time with drivers and all sorts of happy little bugs, and then Windows would decide to do a exterior server audit of my system, and even with some third party app, all hell would break loose, and then my fast system would be slow all of the sudden, and permanently slow until I got root level on it.
I can't waste that time anymore.
When Windows video editors give advice like, "Don't connect your editing machine to the internet," well, that's a terrible sign. Here's another gem of advice, "Wipe out all your drivers, and don't use the most modern ones, use this obscure one over here on this oddball website!"
BAD, BAD, BAD! Windows video editors know a special circle of hell, and that's why the ads for "I'm a PC" were CUT ON MAC.
Face it, Macs cost more because they're more stable, and sure, you can go cheaper, but if you're really not interested in making yourself into your own self-taught IT professional, you should probably go Mac for some apps or if you're a casual user. - arma, on 10/15/2008, -6/+56And the prices are the same. Congratulations.
- t0ny, on 10/15/2008, -11/+51Damn that makes me want a new Macbook Pro.
I just wish I was rich :). - Betrayal, on 10/15/2008, -45/+73You know what Jony Ive & Steve Jobs?
I don't give a flying ***** about the process if in the end we creative pro's suffer from your stupid decisions of not offering a matte display just because you think glossiness needs to transpire over the entire Apple product line.
I will not buy any of these new MacBook Pro's or the new glossy HD display. It's a disgrace to all creative pro's out there. Can you imagine doing serious work on it while being distracted by reflections?
Oh and: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8309/reflection ... - brstilson, on 10/15/2008, -0/+26It's not a matter of having the brain power, it's the amount of *time* he has to spend. In the real world, time is money and the choice between tinkering around with a PC for days in order to get it to work correctly or paying a little extra for the Mac and having it ready right away is a no-brainer. Macs do excel in his field, and that's why he uses it. In any business, computers are a tool to get a job done, not a source of self-esteem for a tinkerer.
- skabyss, on 10/15/2008, -0/+21The ONLY reason I like the glossy screen is so I can keep an eye out if my boss is sneaking up behi....
*switches to adobe illustrator* - inactive, on 10/15/2008, -1/+22Well we stuck a color calibration tool on the new glossy displays today, they actually came back with a better range & accuracy. They also seem much brighter than the matt ones.
Remember these are glass screens, maybe they let more light through with less distortion. Also, when I buy glasses the optician has told me plastics lenses block out UV & other stuff so I always go for glass lenses for my work specs.
And how come no one ever complained when we had CRT, I still know designers who prefer them over plastic LCD's. - dashdingo, on 10/15/2008, -17/+37Yup, it's still a laptop, alright.
- cyberdork, on 10/15/2008, -1/+18Last February I had to choose between a matte and the glossy display. I did some research and I noticed that people who liked the glossy actually owned one, while the people who complain about glossy displays have actually never used one, they just repeat the 'terrible reflections' claim which they read somewhere else or they maybe saw a glossy diplay in a shop for 5mins.
- JonesJohnson, on 10/15/2008, -1/+17How It's Made = Best
- LemmingJesus, on 10/15/2008, -2/+17I was hoping for a How It's Made sort of video.
- imbatman05, on 10/15/2008, -12/+27You'll get dug down for those wise words... you're still right
- inactive, on 10/15/2008, -1/+14gloss is fine; just keep calibrated no big deal.
...you are speaking from experience, right??? - Kamujin, on 10/15/2008, -5/+17Fellas, I am sure a small percentage of you truly have a latent interest in notebook case manufacturing. The rest of you should consider putting the Kool-aid down. Can you honestly say you've been waiting for a notebook manufacturer to make this "improvement"?
My macBook Pro doesn't feel structurally weak at all and I don't see how this is going to be enough to make me want to upgrade. - pleaseremove, on 10/15/2008, -15/+27Ah yes, they invented milling...
- BossKey, on 10/15/2008, -0/+11did someone call me?
- MateyO, on 10/15/2008, -0/+10Not really. If there's '14 steps in the milling process' your only replacing the first, initial 'hogging out' milling process where the gross bulk of material is removed with the casting. If you have to build a milling station to handle 13 steps, it's some coding and a big milling bit to handle that first step.
Working with a billet part is also more uniform than a casting. Porosity becomes a factor, as does keeping stuff around to, you know, keep Aluminum melted. ;) - jmreid, on 10/15/2008, -0/+9Wait, so you're trying to look at a computer from the drivers seat and you're complaining that you can't see it? Are you thick?
You think they make laptops for people to see from across the car? - BothBarsOn, on 10/15/2008, -7/+16I love it when Windows apologists try to pretend that using an operating system that doesn't work very well makes them more intelligent. I would have thought the reverse was the case.
- Bigtruck, on 10/15/2008, -1/+10/rant
- TheCamino, on 10/15/2008, -0/+9
I have built my own computers.
Now that I have a two year old, freelance work, and a full time job, and edit part time....
...I just don't really have the time to look at specs and goof off at Tigerdirect.
Sorry, it's a lifestyle thing right now.
And yes, I have built editing suites in Windows. And in my opinion, I just don't like the hassle on all fronts. - Bigtruck, on 10/15/2008, -1/+9A good indication of Apple's margin on each unit.
- olddirtycr, on 10/15/2008, -5/+12Vampire.
- TheCamino, on 10/15/2008, -2/+9
It's not the lack of brainpower...
To stay on top of pro level video editing, I have to grind through huge and thick manuals in my off time.
I go through a manual, and learn a new program about every three months now.
I just don't have the time to rebuild my system, when I could be more productive working on projects.
It's not a matter of how stupid I am. I am plenty stupid to screw up a computer, I just don't want to waste a lot of time when it screws itself up. - ryanonfire, on 10/15/2008, -2/+9They cut down their costs and kept their prices the same to fatten up profit margins. Welcome to business.
- sailadayaway, on 10/15/2008, -1/+8I don't think you guys realize how much machining time this takes for each and every laptop case. There is a LOT of cost that's going into the case now. It's not as simple as injection molded cases, or stamped cases. I'm surprised they can keep the cost of the laptops down where they are, I'm sure this process has added cost to manufacture.
- sassy343, on 10/15/2008, -1/+8Majority of consumers do not use firewire. Its a pro thing for the most part.
- diggzoid, on 10/15/2008, -6/+12As cool as a design and manufacturing process may be, it's not the main reason to buy a product. Do you really want to visit a sausage factory? They are just trying to justify the relatively high prices for the Macbook series. I'm waiting till the second round of price drops in February.
- z80jim, on 10/15/2008, -0/+6Castings in general are not good for anodizing and die castings in particular are horrible.
- colorjam, on 10/15/2008, -0/+6You are a perfect example of the PC mentality that is screwed up. Learning how to "fix" a PC does not further your video editing profession. "Crazy options and buttons" are hardly required 90% of the time and attribute to 99% of the problem.
Mac constrain you.. constraint needs to happen a lot more in the world. - brstilson, on 10/15/2008, -1/+7"Why wouldnt you want the UV filtering, in addition to the anti-shatter properties of the plastic."
Plastic scratches a lot easier than glass. - jrapp, on 10/15/2008, -0/+6They stole the images from the real how it's made video on Apple's site:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/mac/macboo ... - Legolover64, on 10/15/2008, -3/+9I can't say that your argument makes a lot of coherent sense. Nobody's buying the product to "feel in" for any lack of self esteem. I'm buying my Mac because I want to spend a lot less time working on my computer and a lot more time working with my computer.
Furthermore, my Mac can be triple boot too! And I don't have to break EULAs! - ZephyrNinety, on 10/15/2008, -4/+10Ala-min-yum.
- filovirus, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6Just borrow the money. Up to your ears in debt, it's the American way.
- jameszhao00, on 10/15/2008, -0/+5Why would you call someone a "stupid *****" for getting some information wrong?
- brstilson, on 10/15/2008, -6/+11Glossy screens also distort colors and do not display them accurately in addition to the intense glare anyone who isn't working in a pitch black closet will experience.
- barnett25, on 10/15/2008, -0/+5@ gala7516
You mean redesign them like they were before? - MateyO, on 10/15/2008, -0/+5Gala, I suggest you look at some of the milling videos on Youtube. The initial hogging is NOT time consuming WRT to the rest of the case manufacturing process. When you think about it, the WHOLE PROCESS is time consuming for something that's made in the millions each year, especially when compared to injection molding plastics for your average laptop.
Porosity isn't an issue from a _performance_ standpoint, it IS an issue from an _appearance_ standpoint. Plus, you're neglecting a major cost: Hogging is just another milling step on milling equipment they've purchased. _Die_casting_ requires a foundry which they wouldn't otherwise need. - UKsHaDoW, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6Its probably because they haven't upgraded in awhile.
- xxpor, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4"when I buy glasses the optician has told me plastics lenses block out UV & other stuff so I always go for glass lenses for my work specs."
I like being able to see. Why wouldnt you want the UV filtering, in addition to the anti-shatter properties of the plastic. - skabyss, on 10/15/2008, -2/+6Camino:
All the windows machines I have had to fix have been from distributors like Dell, Gateway, etc. Everybody I know who have built their own machines, usually for a lot cheaper, have little to no problems. It is simply a matter of how well the user can mingle with his hardware. - ophello, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4(yes but dont they deserve credit for using the technology in a new way and in a product that it isnt used for?)
- inactive, on 10/15/2008, -1/+5Ok, but not great.
- ChayD, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4Because "Hewn from a solid ingot of finest Alcoa Aluminum" sounds better than just "Die Cast".
I'm aware that this description isn't 100% accurate, but it still sounds cool. - chichiMi5, on 10/15/2008, -5/+9Do I get a discount if i bring my own Aluminium?
- m4xn00b, on 10/15/2008, -3/+7A little over half way he starts talking about Nvidia:
"When Nvidia came to talk to us, they were really interested in building a desktop chip. What we were interested in was taking that same level of performance and putting it in a portable computer."
Hahaha *****. Apple's arrogance surprises me once again. That chipset (9400M / 9600M) was out long before this MacBook and already featured in other laptops. It was Apple's consumers who complained about not having a dedicated graphics chip and it was APPLE who went to Nvidia, not the other way around. Nvidia, was already fine and dandy in the desktop market, aside from ATI competition. There was no need for nvidia to go to apple.
Wow, Apple is full of it. I guess it doesn't get enough looking in the mirror at itself. Now, don't get me wrong, I like Apple, I liked the last generation MacBooks and MacBook Pro. What I don't like is it's arrogant, condescending attitude, because everything they do is "right". - ophello, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4It isnt lack of brain power. It is smarter to use a robust system that requires less problem-solving. Your pride in a broken system does not make you smart. It makes you stupid.
- xero9, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4How about anyone with a video camera? They all use Firewire to pull video off
- sockpuppets, on 10/15/2008, -2/+6Mine cured me of cancer when I first opened it.
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