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- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24@farfromsubtl:
Problems exist - but in lower percentages than with other manufacturers, and Apple also handles the problems better than most companies. If I were going to go buy a pretty recent model computer, one I thought might expereince those Rev A glitches - there is no other company besides Apple I'd rather buy that from.
Your comments postive digg rating so fars exposes the fanatsy you have that people irrationally bury any anti-Apple comment as a myth. Your username indicates that you are pretty obviously a troll, but so far you seem to be doing a rather poor job of it if that's all you can come up with. - dantsai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19is the Apple OSX tax somehow easier to swallow?
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25Can we please stop bashing Windows, pretty please?
Now, if people can give me some good reasons to switch, and write them out in a decent way, sure, I'll listen. If people are going to bitch about unrelated products (The Zune), security issues (Sadly, I'm not a moron, and I don't suffer from any security problems with Windows, at all.), or even the UI, I don't want to hear about it.
I had a difficult time using OS X, I'll admit. I used Ubuntu a while ago (Had a live disc, and I needed to check a HDD that would stop Windows from Booting - turns out the disc was hugely fuxed and I had to do a bunch of annoying crap to even get it to mount in Ubuntu.), and I found that much nicer to use.
Now, that could be becuase of the system I was using (A low end MacBook, 1.83Ghz CPU (I believe) Core Duo, 512 Mb of RAM.. yada-yada), and it just seemed rather slow. It was like the little bouncing icons that were launching apps (That I continued to click while the App was launching.), were launching mind games against me with the sole purpose of making me smash the machine in a fit of rage. It was very pretty though, albeit rather slow. I suppose I expected more after all the Windows bashing people do.
For me, if I ever got a Mac, I wouldn't touch OS X unless I was using a app that specificaly required it, I'd just bootcamp in to Windows. But the OS wouldn't be the reason I'd get one - The hardware.
I'm not talking quality here - I doubt Apple will have quality beyond many other high end laptop/PC sellers (Support is another thing), but the integration of it all is really nice, as well as the looks of the thing. MacBooks look damn nice.
... Bit of a tangent.
In any case - I don't feel OS X (from the time I've spent with it), would change a lot of how I used my computer. The only thing that would really change is that I wouldn't be able to build my own computer using the parts I wanted (Which is both a blessing and a curse, as Apple machines look damn nice, most of them.).
Windows is fast for me, I have no security issues at all, and it wouldn't stop me formating once a year (About average, sometimes it's longer), becuase I do that simply to clear out all the redundant files that might have built up from me downloading, saving, etc, and not really using them anymore.
Can we please stop bashing Windows, if anything it makes me not want a Mac because I don't want to appear to be an ***** that most of the vocal Mac users appear to be. (I'm sure lots of you are nice, really.) - bias, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21@h00ligan
Digg's rule number 1 - Keep Apple/Linux's Technical problems to yourself, Digg is for Microsoft's Mistakes Only. - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20"former" as in from the PowerPC days?
I've yet to hear of any major issues with the Intel logic boards. - h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16we just bought 16, we have rolled 9, TWO have been sent back for random shutdown issues. that's a bad failure rate so far. On each machine apple has replaced the mobo.
7 to go, here's hoping we don't have anymore failures. Yes, there IS a problem, and it's probably the worst one i've seen with apple/. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19A horde of extremely technical people disagree with your assesment of buying macs only for fashion - that's why you see glowing Apple logos at just about any technical conference you can name nowadays.
Some people buy them because they "look cool". But a lot of others buy them because they are really fond of how they, and OS X, work. Pretending that the only reason people buy them is to look good is the perfect way to miss a trend until it becomes a wave, and you say "where the hell did that come from?"
And the internet remembers what you say, pretty much forever. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Oh god, another ***** who thinks that just because bootcamp uses apple's drivers windows will be more stable on a mac.
- kawa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Some personal experiences with iMac (I switched from a PC recently):
1. The all-in-one design is convenient to people like me who appreciate an uncluttered desk area: all stuffs in regular computer case (disk drive, motherboard, hard-disk, etc.) are all built in the flat screen display. In addition, the same flat screen display hosts microphone, speaker, and video camera. Besides convenience, it is aesthetic.
2. Mac OSX Tiger gives me inspiration. Playing around with dashboard, spotlight, and its UI, etc. changes operating system from a platform to a fun environment.
Surely, it doesn't have much video games supported as in Windows, nor does it give you the flexibility to upgrade parts as a PC, but I think if a household already has a PC, I will encourage to buy a Mac so you'll have variety as well as opportunity to decide what works best for you. Thanks to mac, I'm planning to run Ubuntu on my old PC- It was mac that encouraged me to play around and explore different possibilities. - DolphinGL, on 10/12/2007, -16/+25I gave MacOS an honest run and to be honest, I couldn't stand it at all. Sure it was pretty, but I can do so much more in Windows or even Linux. Also, Finder is bloody annoying.
As for the apple notebooks themselves, they're very overpriced. Equivalent hardware in a Toshiba or an HP will cost much less, and so long as you get hardware that jives with MacOS, you can install MacOS on a PC just as you can install Windows on a Mac.
I know there's alot of fanboys out there that are going to dig me down, but I really see nothing special in apples computers anymore. Since they switched to x86 they ARE PCs now, they only try to differentiate themselves with a different OS, one I don't even particularly care for. Unfortunately, they market through fashion and image, which is pretty much why they're doing so well now. I can't tell you how many people (women mainly) I've talked to who want a mac because it "looks cool" - Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11World could end tomorrow.
- polizeit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Everyone on this forum sounds like they've got a chip on their shoulders...
OS X is just fine and dandy. You have to be a moron if you have difficulty learning or using it. It is not so different from Windows that it matters much as far as user-interfacing is concerned. No start button, big ***** deal. You Windows pussies need to learn that "start" is just an imaginary concept anyway. Applications and folders can be accessed just as easily on OS X. OS X is also built on top of a UNIX kernel. Call me crazy but reusing code from NT/2000 days to create Windows XP proved to be a monumental lapse in judgment on Microsoft's behalf; file permissions and user permissions on Windows are a mess, and let's not get started on the spyware/adware problem (applications which take advantage of Windows' lack of a comprehensive permission system).
I'm experienced mainly in Windows... I have mastered Linux, and tried just about every distribution out there... and from a functional standpoint, OS X blows all of these other OS's to dust. You simply cannot find the combination of a seamless UI experience and amazing eye-candy in any of these other OS's... at least not yet.
What does Windows have that OS X is lacking?
Games... yes...
Software... maybe some top-notch titles don't have good alternatives for OS X...
But I would like to point out that I've used 10.4 on a G3 iBook... it's not the fastest, but usability is beyond barable. Could you ever run Vista on a PII - 400MHz?? Even Windows 2000 was sluggish on such a machine.
These kinds of qualities about OS X and Apple's software philosophy are unparalleled in the Microsoft world. - forkqueue, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Wow, did any else read this and think it must be a typo? 9 million is a pretty tiny number in the context of worldwide computer sales.
(Typing this on my trusty iBook G4 running Mac OS - all my other machines run Linux, before anyone acuses me of being a Windows fanboy). - 21chrisp, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12@pathy
Honestly, you haven't spent enough time on OSX if you don't feel it would change how you would use your computer. Maybe you wouldn't LIKE the changes, but OSX is completely different from Windows.
The main advantage OSX has over Windows is usability. Security and stability are better too, but that's not the main reason I use it. Consistency is the real key to usability here. Windows feels like a system that has a pool of apps that you can run. The apps tend to not really feel like they're part of the OS. Shortcuts are inconsistent, the look varies, and drag functionality can be different. I find myself consistently trying things that can't be done. OSX feels like everything you run is the OS. Everything is consistent. On OSX I find myself always trying new things and finding that it works. Spotlight works everywhere (and was a massive UI leap ahead of Windows itself). It seems like virtually everything is drag-able. I think the this is due to a superior API available in OSX. Programmers seem to have much better hooks into the OS that do generic functionality. Things like CoreAudio, CoreImage etc, seem to always be ahead of the Win32 mega-api. Macs self-contained application concept is also brilliant. It took me awhile to get used to the differences, but once I did I found I REALLY enjoyed using OSX. I don't think I ever really enjoyed Windows, it was more like a means to an end.
There are so many more reasons, but it seems to me like you should go find them out for yourself instead of saying it's other people's responsibility to prove it to you. You seem to have access to OSX, so spend enough time on it to become really familiar with it - then you'll know. I know a lot of people that have bought Intel macs and I don't know a single one that uses Windows as the primary OS.. in fact I don't even know any that actually use boot camp. These are recent switchers too... as in the Intel Mac is their first Mac. - rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The only difference is, MS is in a position to force this software on people, because they are the market leaders. Its called having a monopoly.
- rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You do realize that it was built on a Unix operating system... right?
- Sonic84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6After reading all the comments I forgot what the actual story was about....
- xoineg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My grandma is 64 and she has a macbook. Now a days i can chat with her using ichat with video and she sends me DVDs she has made using her mac...now i can say this would have never happened if she had gotten a dell. :P
- wheezl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Why do any of you care? Really from a Mac users perspective it's neat to hear there may be enough market-share to guarantee platform viability. But I don't really give a crap if some random Windows user doesn't like Macs... Awesome.. If only the whole world could be happy!
I think what is pissing off the Windows users is the perceived notion that they should be using OS X or something is wrong with them. It's like the Born Agains or Mormons coming to your door and telling you you are in the wrong damn church.. it pisses everyone off and is not productive.
Disclaimer:
I have an iPod, I'll probably buy an iPhone, I use MacOS X, I hope everyone else uses whatever makes them happy. I am not a Windows switcher I am a UNIX "Switcher". Meaning I haven't actually *switched* but augmented because you know sometimes it is nice to get a new laptop and not spend an hour looking for the right Broadcom windows dll to wrap so you can run your freaking wireless card.
p.s.: I know that is Broadcom's fault and no one else's. I am only making an example.
- necrisque, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The opinions here seem to really not believe that they might. I don't know enough to have an opinion about this, but good for Apple, they are becoming very popular today. This is the first time in my life I've been able to see people with Macs in public here in Denmark.
- rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@zybch: Exactly. Mac fanboys probably aren't used to the whole driver thing, since OS X comes bundled with closed proprietary hardware... Do they think that driver developers just mash some keys in notepad, compile it and forget to test it.
To think Apple is the only company to test their drivers is just mind blowingly stupid. - localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have just convinced my boss to let me buy a mac for my office. It's not for fanboy reasons.
I want to have a PC where I can run all the Windows tools and all the Unix tools I need without having 2 computers.
Plus it looks good and takes up less space on my desk (an iMac).
To me, a Mac just makes sense really. - RealHyperX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Guys - I use OSX for one compelling reason. I can back my entire hard drive to an external hard drive - live. If something were to happen to my main drive, I can boot off the external drive by holding down one key. I can't have down time, and Mac allows me to work better.
Also - if the entire computer goes down, I can still boot my mac pro environment on a mac laptop and it will work the same.
Windows doesnt do this...
Something else. Mac server. I have email, web, etc. Same thing. You restore easily. Gives you a piece of mind. Try restoring exchange server. Good luck.
And then the consistency. I tried to open an app today in windows. Didnt work. Worked fine yesterday. I dont get this in the Mac OS. - hunchback, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wonderful! Stronger Apple (or Linux) equals Microsoft working harder to better Windows, end users win.
- n00bst3r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I think he would rather pay for Service Packs.
- Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ummm, different OS, different bundled applications (iLife etc.) different included components - iSight, lit keyboard etc. Different support and warrantee structures.
... but apart from that, you are completely right. a machine's characteristics are entirely a function of the CPU architecture - Benzido, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@farfromsubtl:
I digg down anyone who says 'digg me down/up' no matter whether it is intended to be read sarcastically, earnestly, cynically, ironically, humorously or bitterly.
Why? Because it's like you're saying that anyone who digs you down is doing it for some particular reason that you have nominated. In this case, you are claiming that the only reason I could be digging you down is because I am a mac fanatic, or that only mac fanatics would digg you down. In other words, your comment is arrogant.
I wouldn't want you thinking you were being buried by mac fanatics, when in fact you are being buried by people who read your comment and thought you were a dick. - ZaP37, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yes there are 200GB 2.5" hard drives. In fact, just a few days ago Fujitsu announced that they will be bringing a 300GB 2.5" drive to market in early 2007: http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/11/fujitsu-unleashes-a-300gb-2-5-inch-mobile-drive/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"Apple COULD sell 9 million Macs in 2007"
They COULD, but highly unlikely. Hell, they COULD sell 20 million Macs in 2007, but again, highly unlikely.
Hell Ubuntu COULD surpass Windows in market share...
/me waits to be dugg down in oblivion. - ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Emanji
Yes, Dells keep on breaking down and their telephone technical support is entirely in India.
Apple's is located in your nearest Apple Store. - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -17/+20my friend just bought a macbook pro on sunday. I don't know how he could afford it, but he's got it. Best notebook I've ever seen...he's even got windows on it.
- Niten, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@n00bst3r: Wow, I thought people had finally stopped falling for that "OS X 10.4 is just a service pack over 10.3" nonsense. I suppose you also felt entitled to a free upgrade from Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) to XP (NT 5.1), right?
Seriously, get a grip. Version numbers are stupid, arbitrary things. The real way to judge the difference between a service pack and a full-fledged release lies in the amount of new features added to the operating system between versions. And generally speaking, OS X "point" releases do offer enough new features to be worth the upgrade cost. - br208, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Until my recent retirement, I was a mainframe system programmer. I was working with our network guys and the network vendor on an issue that we were having when I noticed he was using a Macbook (not Macbook Pro). I asked him about that and he said the company he worked for was supplying them because the one Macbook using Boot camp and or Parallels allows him to trouble shoot from the perspective of how Mac osX, Linux, or several flavors of Windows interact with the network. Really quite an advantage according to him.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nope. I really don't care. As long as the market share is high enough to keep support at a reasonable level I'm happy.
- Gee4orce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Kale, 512 is nowhere near enough to run OS X - Apple no longer ship systems with this much RAM because they realised that everybody upgrades it. Try OS X with 2 GB and you'll find it plenty speeds. Most of my apps open before the second bounce of the icon.
There really should be an age limit on Digg , to stop all these twelve year olds posting ! - DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't have a hard time believing that based on recent travels through airport security. Pretty much every laptop I've seen in the past 12 months at airports around the U.S. were Macs. I know a ton of people who are buying them to replace PCs, too. In fact, most of the tech support people in my Windows-based office now use Macs at home.
- oohkumar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i just bought a mac for the first time partly because I needed to check web work on safari, but mainly because I could now run windows. The mac operating system is amazing - i had no idea. Such beautiful thing. It's a bit like owning a BMW compared to a Ford. Gets you to the same place but in great style.
Luv it. - becknell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@brandon
So the Mac is good for certain uber-nerds, as well as the vast majority of the general public. Where as I worry right now because I know my family are still using PCs. Windows is fine for me because I know how to protect myself and manage my computer. For those not as adept and practiced with computers however Windows just isn't nearly as appealing. I'm the guy that people come to with their computer troubles and I've seen plenty of stupid crap that I would rather my family not have to worry about dealing with.
On the other hand I've got my Mac. A few things I can say right away that I like about this whole hardware/software setup (MacBook):
MacSafe power adapter, magnetic latch, large trackpad that supports two-finger dragging, obviously the looks, convenient brightness/volume keys, Spotlight is outstanding, installing programs super quick/easy, clean GUI, built-in iSight, Dictionary... the list goes on. I don't know how many times I've been at work and just wished I'd had Spotlight to QUICKLY find some obscure file.
So in a nutshell: I will switch my whole family to Mac when I get back to them (7k miles away at the moment) because I trust OS X and a Mac to treat them much better than Windows and CheapAsFree Brand PC.
Man I can't wait for Leopard. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yeah...it COULD sell that...Of course, it won't.
Let's see...take thei inflated holiday sales, and then project that next year, they will sell more than that EVERY quarter!
Yup...it takes a REAL moron to be an Apple fanboy and to follow this logic at all. - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"All you deprived Windows-users out there: hurry up and switch already."
Actually it's the mac users who don't have many games. Not us. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So, tell me please about your use experience with HP OS or the the Dell OS...?
No, wait... HP and Dell doesn't HAVE their own OS. They both use Windows XP/Vista from Microsoft.
Imagine if HP or Dell had their OWN OS like Apple does....
You see, Microsoft LOVES Apple right now (admittedly with some fear). "Switchers" can still buy their fave version of Vista and run it on their Macs. More money for Redmond. Now, if those same 9 million tells Ballmer to go eat ***** while pod-casting on Garageband 4 or whatever then Redmond is going have to figure something else out.
When Sony, HP or Dell comes out with their own OS instead of being Redmond bitches then MAYBE, I'll consider options outside of Cupertino. However, they won't see one penny from as long as they carry the Redmond virus.
As for the trolls calling Leopard a "service pack", go eat Vista and gag! - rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Grandma likes to check her email, but she dislikes beige boxes... so yeah, not a bad idea.
- rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@21chrisp
Some people try OS X and don't like it. It just means that it didn't work for them the way they wanted. It doesn't mean that they are doing it wrong. Opinions can be different without either of them being objectively wrong. Example: some people prefer an automatic gearbox over a manual one.
What UI you or someone else likes is just that, a _like_ is a subjective, emotional thing. - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"So apple could sell as much macs in a year as Dell in 2-3 months. I'm sorry but did i missed something here?"
Yes, you sure did.
You forgot how to write complete, cogent sentences.
Also, you forgot to stay on topic. - Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2if all goes good with savings, I'm buying a mac book pro to go with my iMac :)
- spoozer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'll bet Apple could dominate the market by 2008 if they created some neat little mac laptop for a sub-$300 price. It wouldn't have to be the most powerful thing, just cute & trendy like the ipod. Something people could grab on their way out the door to get coffee on a weekend morning. I know I'd buy a couple just for friends.
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Apple sold 5.29 Million Macs in its 2006 fiscal year. That was an increase of 17% over 2005 (4.5 Million units). 9 Million units would be an increase of 70% over 2006. Not going to happen.
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"In other news. PC makes will go on to sell 400 million units in 2007"
Go away you predictable dull idiot! (Flag) - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This 200GB disk offered for the MacBooks runs at 4200 RPM, beware, this is dog slow.
Better stuck to a 160GB/5400 unit and get a nice 7200RPM external HDD in case you need more storage. - rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I wouldn't know which Microsoft tax to pay. The different versions of Vista are confusing, especially how the base version is what, $200, and it doesn't seem to offer anything over and above XP.
If I was going to buy the top of the line Vista for $400 and the top of the line MS Office for another $400... I'd want more, a lot more, than what I have seen so far. It just doesn't seem compelling.
Heck, for $800 I could go out and get a pretty good next gen console and a bunch of games, so the 'Windows as gaming machine' excuse doesn't wash with me.
Whereas with Leopard, I can name a bunch of features I'd individually be happy to pay the $120 price tag for, starting with Time Machine. -
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