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- marco114, on 10/12/2007, -5/+120THIS SUCKS MONKEY BUTT! This is the only reason I'd buy an iPhone. On my Palm, I have all kinds of apps, VPN client, a SSH Client for connecting to my servers, bowling, and other stuff. Not opening this up is a death sentence!
- IamBobX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+52honestly if the price was lower I wouldn't care that much. The problem is when you cost 599, any faults you have are magnified 1000 times over. Hence the PS3
"We have one the greatest OS of all time on our phone, but you can't install any programs" LOL - mraustin1337, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52Well I wanted one until I read this.
- gdgi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46Total *****. This is a non-starter then...the whole attraction for this device is the fact that developers could create some really innovative software for it...without an open development system this makes the whole thing a steenky pile of crap.
not for that price - if i'm buying a mini-computer i'd better be able to decide what software I can put on it... - roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45"Protect the user experience"
More like limit it. Does that mean I can handcuff you to your bed, to protect you from the outside world?
Its pure marketing and bullying. There will be apps available for it, you can rest assured of that...but they will only be available through apple, which means no competition, no need for innovation, and no freedom of choice for the consumer.
For a while there, I was started to like apple, but lately, they are backtracking in their ways. Their reliance (and more absurdly, the desire of people to follow them in light of) proprietary -everything- is just crap. - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43lol, I smell another PS3.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -12/+46So a Treo can use Palm or Windows Mobile applications made by both 1st-party (Palm.microsoft) and various third parties. The iPhone can only run what are essentially Dashboard Widgets, and only written by Apple.
Hmm. So what again does the iPhone have over a Treo? I seem to have forgotten...
Is it Internet functionality? No.
MP3 playing functionality? No. (Well, iPhone CAN play DRM'd music....)
Touch-screen? No.
Size and form factor? No. (Treo is smaller and has a QUERTY).
Applications? No. (Treo comes in both Palm OS and Windows Mobile varieties)
Price? No.
Choice of carriers and contracts? Hell no. (Treo also comes in a no-camera version for government customers).
Please, someone do tell me why the iPhone is better than a Treo. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Wow, why are Apple being such ***** over this phone?
I work for a company that makes award-winning software for cell phones. We have several thousand employees in multiple countries. They're basically telling all of us to ***** off and die.
I seriously hope iPhone doesn't actually become a big seller, because that would significantly hurt me and my co-workers. - halik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27No API makes this a really expensive cell phone, NOT a pda or smart phone. The key part of being "smart" is to be able to load apps and have it behave like a computer, not a dumb phone. My old samsung fliphone had a calendar, web browser, email and all the other features of iPhone, but it wasnt a smart phone by any means.
- eleven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25If true, what the hell!
This is one of the best parts of a "smart phone" I look for cool new apps all the time. I'd have thought Apple would be encouraging developers to come to the platform. I mean they included developer tools with every OS and look where that has got them. If Apple truly believes the the iPhone is a platform then they should treat it as such and encourage third party development. If there is a "security" issue with third party apps then they should work to secure it. - icoms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20that means no skype for iphone :( or other cool voIP apps
- Zero2aHero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Allowing people to install apps on their device (like Palm) automatically means a loss in profit? Explain your logic to us please. PC makers must really be hurting for cash, think of all those apps that get installed on PCs.
- unicornhunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Yes, monkey butt indeed. I'll just keep toting around my laptop.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17brundlefly76 said, "Whats funny is how many people thought that 'the iPhone runs MacOSX' meant it could actually run all their MacOS X apps."
Who said that? Who thought that? You seem to think that digg users are a bunch of idiots. I don't think anyone expected to run Final Cut on the iPhone, but when news came that the phone ran a small version of OSX, I for one was hoping that meant 3rd part development would be easier and we'd see a lot more cool little apps for it. Of course, now that we find out it's locked down, who cares. - trouble916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Queue the video.... "Developers, developers, developers.... developers, developers, developers...."
- ucbmckee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Having done a fair amount of development against Windows Mobile, I can clearly say that smartphones based on Microsoft's OS are easy to write for and developers are very, very well supported through documentation, sample apps, conferences, etc. It's about as open a system as you can get, from a 3rd party developer perspective. Obviously, one does not have to have a closed shop in order to have profits.
This is classic Jobs, though. He's a dumbass and this mentality is, amongst other reasons, one of the main reasons Apple is an irrelevant player in the computing field. The need for openness is less for Mp3 players, which is why they've survived so far. He seems to think we should feel privileged to play with his toys. - sigintop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Actually I am because Apple HAS been open about it development tools. OS X ships with a complete development "suite" and they even handout awards to 3rd party developers for their innovation and design.
I'm both an Apple and PC user (lean more towards the Apple side) and I think they dropped the ball in this case. Seems to me they've blocked a chance for the iPhone to really shine. Sure, the iPhone will spark another accessory sector but it won't create one for iPhone applications. Maybe it's the capitalist in me that thinks opening up the phone would create another, helpful market.
I don't know. Maybe they'll change that with the next version of the iPhone. Part of me thinks that maybe the deal with Cingular meant no 3rd party apps (like Skype). While the exclusive with Cingular isn't bad (on the surface), it probably came with a lot of restrictions which sucks.... a lot...
Anyone know of a good smart phone that has WiFi, 3G or EDGE, and can run Skype? - ispcaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17
I love the phone but it is a dead product. If you will not allow 3rd party apps then it doesn't come close to the functionality of a Treo or other based smartphone. In fact you could not call it a smart phone. This is a POS that has pretty content. Yes the Voice Mail is cool, but not worth leaving the Treo to go to a closed system that I cannot install pocket quicken and other 3rd party software.
While this works in the iPod world Apple this will bite you in the ass in the real communications world. Apple is asking for people to pay $499+ to live in a closed system. NOT ME!!!
No 3rd party apps makes the iPhone suck and that is a shame.
This phone is for people looking for a iPod replacement that happens to have Cingular. I already have talked to corporate types and with the info released on the iPhone no one is planning to move to the phone. Sorry Apple. Only if you had 3rd party apps.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14is it me or is this iphone becoming more and more of a let down?
only availible on cingular with 2 year contract, no 3rd party apps.
its rapidly heading towards the mediocre level smart phone
at least with windows mobile and symbian you can get 3rd party and code stuff yourself :-(
shame on you apple! - cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Yea, I agree with pretty much everyone here. It's crap. No 3rd party apps means no fun. I mean, you can compare that to the "no 3rd party stuff on the iPod either" but that's just an MP3 player.
A big media phone is different; you can do a lot of cool stuff when you're connected to the Internet. And holy ***** *****, no sync over wireless. What is this, 1998? It's all greed, I tell you. - gregoiredx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12no SDK?
putain, quelle merde!
that's throwing away what could have been really interesting with this OSX phone;
A UNIX based smartphone, that was sounding great...
but no Terminal, no homemade/opensource app, no JVM as long as Apple wants so, what a pity.
damn
anyway, I'm still amazed by this amazing 2 fingers zoom-in/zoom-out, and turn iPhone => rotate IU tricks :) - Genady, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Double ++ Dittos. If it don't run ssh and Cisco's VPN client it's dead to me. My RAZR is all the phone I'll need. I thought this was going to be a smartphone. If all you're giving us is 'cell phone apps' it's worthless to me.
"You're Dead to me Fredo." - icecycles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I agree. Jobs spent time quality time slamming "smart phones," yet they won't release an SDK? Third party apps help make smart phones worth while! Palm and even Microsoft allow you to install third party apps! I have talked to multiple people who will only switch if they can get their third party apps on the iPhone.
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10So would this mean no Java supported application as well? That might have just ruined the iPhone for me.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Ugh. Typical Apple. If it was open for this stuff, it'd be a damned good phone. But now, Meh. I guess my next phone will be Windows Mobile instead.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Flush this turd down the toilet.
- ucbmckee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Apple corporate paranoia and cult-like close-mindedness FTL!
- ZennZero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12The summary compares the situation to the software on the iPod. If that is an accurate comparison, two possibilities come to mind:
1) Apple doesn't open the API to the general public, but there is limited availability to trusted 3rd party companies. My understanding is that is how the iPod games are handled. Also, many recent 3rd party accessories (which I am sure the iPhone will have in droves) have application hooks, for instance the custom GUI on Griffin's iTrip Nano.
2) The OSS hacker community has had alternative software running on the iPod for years now. Admittedly this isn't a mainstream solution, but I would imagine the same thing would eventually become possible on the iPhone. If they can get Doom running on an iPod, I am sure more impressive things would be possible with the greater processing power and connectivity options of the iPhone. - primal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This is why I wouldn't speed so much money for this phone. My WM5 phone may not be so "revolutionary" as the iPhone, but at least it can play games when I'm bored. At least I can program this for it.
Photos and music only get you so far. - Empyrean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What a waste of technology then.
Believe me though, I think the iPhone is sleek and innovative for what it is, but Apple is putting too many nails in their coffin. I hope someone eventually gets it right and listens to the people, not their pocketbooks. - r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"The biggest problem with this is that the iPhone obviously does not have full Cocoa capabilities, so the developers might have a hard time programming the apps."
I love Apple and everything, but developers seem to handle developing on the .Net Compact Framework for Windows Mobile, so why shouldn't us Mac developers. I've even written some apps in the .Net CF and it's quite pleasant, a bit annoying at some of things missing, but these consessions have to be made. - daller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I really dont feel like waiting for Apple to decide what apps i need this is areally bad thing with the iPhone.
- cRaCKh0rN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Such a shame. I was looking forward to making widgets for it:S
- imikedaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, you'd think having a ton of great apps and games would *increase* profits.
As of now, the iPhone has almost the exact same feature set of every current phone out there (give or take a few), then it's sorely lacking when it comes to the thousands of games available for cell phones. I'm not paying all that money to lose functionality in the long run. - halik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Pseudo - OSX? That's a nice marketing gem if i ever saw one. I'm sure my old filp smartphone and all Zunes run pseudo - Vista also...
- djphatjive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6How is the I Phone better than my Siemens SX66 Windows Mobile phone. There are like millions of Freeware software for it. It has a stylist(SP), But I guess Jobs doesn't know you can use your fingers on it too.
- azurepalm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i agree dude. hi 5!
- daller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I have a pocket pc and i use alot of diffrent apps, putty, gps app, i even have a vnc viewer on it in case i need it. Even if this is not what most ppl use it is what i need. I only use macs at home exept for gaming and the pocket pc really hoped the pocket pc would be replaced by the iPhone but if this is how they want it i will keep my ipaq.
- Niten, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Honestly, this is what I love about Microsoft. Bash them all you like for their inferior operating systems (I'm an OS X user myself), but they really, genuinely support their developers. While they can be terrifyingly aggressive in their own sector of the market they do realize that they are only part of a larger ecosystem that survives on those third-party apps. I wish I could say the same for Apple.
- halik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Epecting what Steve Jobs said? Runs OSX, it's a pda phone, will have a ton of apps available etc. No api just makes this a glorified mutimedia cellphone.
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@cbreaker
Go surf through the buried comments on the original iPhone post to see how many people thought that OSX meant the iPhone could run their OSX apps...
And no, I wasnt trashing digg users, trashing the lower-tier apple fanboys on digg. - heydigital, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Looks like Palm and Windows Mobile are far from dead.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Watch for a stock price adjustment shortly.
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5shrimpdesign, the iPhone's functionality isn't up to that of SmartPhones (which are much cheaper), and absolutely pales compared to that of PocketPC phones (with which the iPhone is comparably priced). The iPhone is just the latest example of Style over Substance that has been perfected by Jobs' Apple. It's great for style, but that's it. But style goes a long way.
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"pple cannot afford to have programs (especially those that induce the spread of copy written material) installed on the phone, due to the company's major media obligations."
Crap excuse, surely that'd be easily solved by having no API to the iPod portion of the device, and also only allowing signed applications to access the iPod parts of the device. Or how about the iPod apps running as a specific user, being the only one with access to the iPod parts of the device. - avoutthere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Steve saying in his keynote that it runs OS/X without qualifying the statement was disingenuous. The OS should be called something like OS/X Mobile to draw a distinction. Clearly if it really was running full OS/X we wouldn't be having this discussion.
As a gadget enthusiast, this is disappointing to say the least. - rcran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have my doubts that this is true, but if it is, RIP iPhone.
/Mac Fanboy - szembek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Umm this is apple guys.They won't even open up their hardware architecture.
- NetJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I doubt it's a Cingular mandate. They don't mandate it for their Windows Mobile phones.
- applesuxLeo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Exactly why I have used a Pocket PC at work for years to carry my medical references :) You have to realize this isn`t a Pocket PC replacement...it`s just a consumer toy.Palm devices and Pocket PC`s have millions of third-party apps between them.
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