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- nicheplayer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"I just don't see the innovation from Apple."
And that's exactly what makes Apple so damned good. You *DON'T* see all the innovation. Most of it is invisible to the naked eye.
This recognition was a long time coming for a company that was dumping tons of cash into R&D even when their stock was in the tank and pissing on the Mac was the order of the day. Kudos, Apple.
And as far as all the bitching about all the Apple stories on Digg goes, have any of you complainers ever wondered *why* there are so many Apple stories? Do you know how Digg works? Do you know how stories make it to the front page? - aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3read the actual article.
Apple Computer
Get quote: AAPL
Overall score: 7.14
Top 20 Rank: 11
Rank among Computers: 2
IBM was #1 among computers. Apple was listed first because it starts with A. - osxmusic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Name one innovation by Apple. They copy everything."
Trackpad. - vinny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You Apple haters continue to amaze me. I don't think any company could possibly live up to the standard you are putting forward. According to you guys, it's not innovation if the basic idea came from someone else, regardless of how much was added to it. It's not innovation if there has already been anything remotely related built. It's not innovation if you don't personnaly use it. By your standards, nothing done in the world today would be innovative.
- mogebier, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4So, how many Apple Lovers spooged in their pants because yet ANOTHER Apple article popped up???
Admit it. You know you freaks did.
Freaks. - 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> replica wrote: "Apple = NO INNOVATION"
People are funny. We have the ability to pump up the value of any evidence that supports our point of view and completely discount any evidence that runs counter to our point of view. We do it with religion. We do it with politics. We do it with pretty much everything. And by "we" I mean all of us, me too.
For example, think about how you tried to shoot down my "Widgets are Desk Accessories" argument.You wrote that aside from calculators and sticky notes, Widgets owe nothing to Desk Accessories (I'm paraphrasing). But I'd like to remind you that as I mentioned earlier, the vast majority of modern Widgets depend upon the internet to do their thing. And within the limitations of no World Wide Web, the range of available Desk Accessories was truly amazing. There were hundreds of them (and no, they weren't all calculators and sticky notes).
If you and others choose to believe that Apple has innovated nothing (can't get much more extremely one-sided than "Apple = NO INNOVATION") then by all means hang on to that. However, if the two extremes are "Apple Innovates Everything" on one side and "Apple Innovates Nothing" on the other, perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.
And just a polite reminder that they're all boxes of wires and chips. :) - sendmesomejunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Apple products are well liked. You can't argue against that. Maybe it's just me, but people seem to cry too much when other people say they like a product. If you don't like a product, what's the problem? If other people like the product. Good for them. Be happy for them. Life is horrible on this planet. Look around. What ever happiness people can get, that doesn't hurt others, is a good thing. Apple seems to make good products. I promise not to cry when you say you like Windows.
- pbjorge12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Their missing Nintendo...
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> replica wrote: "The writer is so insecure in his/her own SELF that he/she feels the need to compensate by attacking OTHERS."
You're right. I shouldn't have use those insults. However, I think the rest of my argument stands as valid.
> replica also wrote...
> "iPod menu stolen from Creative."
Creative stolen from the Walkman. The Walkman just a smaller version of any portable cassette player. Cassette players ripped from 8-track players which were in turn stolen from record players. Record players stolen from Edison's wax cylinders which are simply recorded live performances. So on and so on and so on.
> "GUI copied from Xerox."
PARC's interface was truly revolutionary. However, it possessed few of the innovations that are part of a modern user interface. One quick example... The windows on the Xerox UI weren't designed to overlap. As I understand it, the running application simply setup pseudo window-like work spaces but these were little more than drawn borders around blocks of text. Interestingly, the Apple engineer who wrote the first version of the Mac's Finder created the concept of overlapping windows simply because he falsely assumed that the Xerox UI did have overlapping windows.
> "Widgets stolen from Konfabulator."
I think the world of Arlo Rose's creation (Konfabulator) but I'm afraid you are way off base here. Since day one the Mac OS has incorporated tiny little single purpose mini-applications (called Desk Accessories) that sat just above the main application layer. Granted they weren't written in Javascript but then again there was no Javascript in 1984. Considering the limitations of the era (no internet, for example), in every conceivable way these Desk Accessories were the forerunner of today's widgets. As a matter of fact, many common widgets of today have a pre-OS X Desk Accessory counterpart.
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replica, I hope you don't mind but I did a quick scan of some of your past comments and DIGGs. You really don't much care for Apple, do you? On the other hand, you seem to be a big fan of Microsoft (so am I, actually). Needless to say that's just fine. After all you certainly have a right to your opinion. But now knowing this, perhaps people might be wise to treat your Apple related comments with a bit more circumspection. - Namco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3MacGyver is innovative. Apple makes pretty things. Apple is not innovative.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"I'm trying to but I can't think of any innovation Apple has done in 2005."
They took things that already existed, made it white and shiny, raised the price, and sold it to their cult. Thats innovation for you right there. - replica, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5@validus70
NO. Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center). He saw the Smalltalk integrated programming environment, with the mouse selecting text, pop-up menus, windows, and so on. The Lisa group at Apple built a system based on what they could remember from the Smalltalk demo. They even hired Xerox employees to code for them.
No innovation. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You know, let's be fair here.
The fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter whether the story is pro or anti Mac or pro or anti Windows. Any and all stories Mac/Windows related turn into a bash fest with people taking sides. So don't say that this only happens with Mac-related stories. - shockingbird, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2For 2006 huh? Well that was quick. That's a lot of innovating to do in 50 days.
- cusoman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3On a smi-related note...
Why is there an Apple category and not a Windows / Microsoft one? This site is so biased sometimes, it makes me wonder just how much Jobs is paying Rose and crew - and you *know* it's happening. - stringycheese, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This article only proves that the general public does not know the definition of innovation.
- brainded, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"I'd like to propose we rename digg.com to MastabatoryAppleArticlesAllDayLong.com
/posted by a mac mini so stuff it"
Yeah it started out as a Technology site but it has turned into a mac fanboy site. :( - Raldikuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Such an indepth article....
- brainded, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"The idea was stolen form Xerox, but the actual implementation and design of it is a Apple innovation. Xerox only had the consent of a pointer and icons.. most of what you think of today as the Desktop is a Apple deign."
The basis for a GUI is the fact you can navigate in a realm and "click" on representations of ideas. All Xerox. Name 1 thing that Apple has done in their OS that has not been implemented in some shape or form on another.
Dont say the Dock, the concept was in windows back in 95.
Face it, OS X is mainly pretty and like all pretty girls, you will fight to the bone for them. - MrIso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@16x9, you totally missed his iPod arguement. He's talking about the interface, not the concept of a device that plays audio.
- replica, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Name one innovation by Apple. They copy everything.
- Hyperion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm trying to but I can't think of any innovation Apple has done in 2005.
- gkrawiec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1what is so innovative about apple??????? its just steve jobs who is a great salesguy.....their products are neither that special nor that innovative (nice designs though...cant argue about that)
I wrote abou thart crap before in my article " a multibillion dollar company of one...."
http://gkrawiec.blogspot.com/2005/12/multibillion-dollar-company-of-one.html - Wantednz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's only American companies.
- hyperpasta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@brainded
"First Successful Online Music Solution but even then it wasnt a new idea"
But the concept of selling songs for 99c apiece was... and that caught on. - vinny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
"If I made a claim that company A was innovative, then I should back that statement up with facts. I did not make any claims at all. I am just asking for proof that Apple is what people say they are. No one here seems to be able to do so."
Replica, I didn't make a claim either, the article did, that is what we are discussing. Did you get here by mistake? It's easy to say Apply isn't innovative becasue "someone already did that", or "oh big deal". You can knock down any company that someone claims is innovative with that sort of simple logic. If you are going to sit on your high horse and dismiss Apple, then give something to back it up. Innovation, by and large is subjective, and this survey reveals that many people think Apple is innovative. I happen to agree, but it seems that some people, including you, will never believe anything positive about Apple no matter what they do. Why do you even bother reading these articles? Move on. - techmaster7b, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is quite funny. The one who copies the most, gets rated the most admired company for innovation? Who are these people that thought Apple should be rated as such. Either they are blind apple fan boys, or they no nothing about technology. Oh wait, they might be the same thing.
- colinmhayes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0but what's more important is that my company was vote most admired company in the US and globally.
- Metman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The idea was stolen form Xerox, but the actual implementation and design of it is a Apple innovation. Xerox only had the consent of a pointer and icons.. most of what you think of today as the Desktop is a Apple deign."
*sigh* - I am not Apple fan, but it was NOT stolen it was PURCHASED from Xerox R&D for the cost effective price of $10,000 dollars. Paul Allen (who was working with Bill Gates on what was to become BASIC - MS wasnt a company incorporated yet) a few years later then negotiated a patent disclosure with John Sculley who had just been hired from Pepsi-Cola (and later fired Steve Jobs the man responsible for hiring him) for what turns out to be next to nothing (actuall dollar amount never disclosed but presumed to be less the $100,000). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0An Apple Article a day keeps the diggers away
- replica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Trackpad introduced in 1994.
- halophoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1wow. Digg comments are out of control; this is getting ridiculous. No wonder people just blindly digg stories around here.
- mouseman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can't believe no one thinks Apple opening up the media distribution channel for TV is innovative. Innovative doesn't just mean coming out with new products, who would have thought that you could sell music online safely, let alone TV shows, and soon movies as well. Doing something correctly, like the MP3 player, is innovation.
- t1mmy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1this site has turned into fark. i'll stop reading the comments now. too bad we can't post silly pictures of a shark or the ha ha guy here.
- systemghost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Holy crap! A portable MP3 player....!? BRILLIANT.
- AprilEthereal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Off the bat - I'm not a pc fanboy. I have a pc laptop because of the applications that I most frequently use, but I also employ the use of an apple g4 ibook. Both do what I want them to with excellent results. That aside, it is quite the curiosity that apple gets as much attention as they do for their (quoting the story's description) "innovations." They haven't innovated anything, they just finally hired a couple of real designers to make their products look sleeker and more stylish than the apple IIe's of yore. The ipod isn't anything special - it's trendy. There are other mp3 players out there that are (minus the pointless video options...who watches a movie on a three inch screen?!) just as if not more capable than the ipod. If people are looking for innovations, they should start by searching for the computer junkies and independent modders and the like, they are where innovation is really at.
- mynameisob3l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0because we all know that 8 new versions of the iPod, and switching to intel based chips = INNOVATION!
- listrophy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Apple has been very innovative in nearly doubling my stock price in mere months. :)
And for all those "Name one thing apple has done" people:
-two-finger scrolling on touchpads (2004ish?)
-damn small iPods with full video
-standing up to the RIAA and maintaining $.99 prices (now THAT's innovative) - fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Let the gratuitous mutual masturbation begin!
- jonathanex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0vinny: Nintendo. I'm not even going to bother with any reason except Revolution Controller.
- cusoman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2And to whoever said the Mac Mini was innovative:
Ever heard of SFF PCs? They were around WAY before the Mac Mini. - tacojohn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think most of the innovation happens on the inside. The coolest thing about Apple is the integration of their products, everything works together seamlessly. Check out iLife- all iLife media is avilable in every iLife program. Want to use an iPod? No problem. Also integrated. No drivers to install for video cameras/digital still cameras. Their bluetooth implimentation is the best, WiFi just works. bla bla bla.
**As I type this from my crummy office pentium d drone at the office, I can't wait to get home to my mac.** - jewdass, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Three words for the "What have you done for me lately?" crowd: Magnetic Power Adapter.
I agree that February is a little early to be announcing the "innovators of 2006". still, apple has something to bring to the party that qualifies.
and you can't say "X-Box did it first", other similar breakaway cables exist in all sorts of applications, and they all use the same basic design. Making the connector magnetic removes the need for an extra length of cable for the breakaway. It also makes it easier for the cable to come out from a sideways "shearing" motion (aka the Snag of Doom), but stay nice and snug in the port at the same time.
my powerbook was seriously maimed in such an incident, and the power connector was never quite the same afterwards, my battery life dwindled to nothing, I went through two AC adapters in 6 months, plus the case on that side was badly damaged. I actually got the entire case replaced by apple when I sent it in for for "pitted wrist rest syndrome" plus my many power woes. After looking on the work-list that came back with it, they'd replaced the top and bottom of the case, plus the lcd bezel and backing, swapped ac and logic boards, new battery, new HD, and they got all my BTO options right on the replacement parts. Basically left me my LCD, RAM, and keyboard. All covered under warranty.
that's getting a little off topic but providing service like that is pretty innovative :)
I guess what I'm getting at is the people who designed the new power adapter had obviously seen enough of that kind of pain to realize that they could engineer the problem into non-existence. and that, my friends, is innovation. - replica, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@ vinny said
"Most clear thinking people consider Apple inovative."
So you think they are innovative because others told you so. Ok, I get it. If you do not mind, I will think for myself. - thecoolestcow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"I'd like to propose we rename digg.com to MastabatoryAppleArticlesAllDayLong.com
/posted by a mac mini so stuff it"
rofl. i was thinking they had too many apple articles. - krum0786, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1dug because of the other companies that made the list
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3innovation invisible to the naked eye???
macology compels you - replica, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@jediboytj
Funny that someone with an Apple Avatar is calling anyone else a fanboy. Thanks for the laugh. - matt.rubin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0replica...... i love you :)
and 16X9 who gives we inspect who apple really is behind all of the shiny white plastic instead of being like wow new ipod with video!!!!!!!!!! wait they stole that too..... I bought an archos multimedia 20 in 2000 for 400 bucks that had video Oh and heres somthing innovative that apple can't do it still works.......... old technology in shiny boxes yeah.............. apple can milk people for all their worth - replica, on 10/12/2007, -3/+216x9 said:
"small minded dweebs"
"too many people aren't smart enough"
"fools"
Here's a little trick I use... Whenever I read a comment where someone is belittling ANOTHER PERSON, I remind myself of ONE thing:
1) The writer is so insecure in his/her own SELF that he/she feels the need to compensate by attacking OTHERS. -
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