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Amazon says even iPod USB Power Adapters are Outselling Zunes!....Ouch!!

marketwatch.com — Demand for iPods so outstripped that for Microsoft's rival Zune product that even an iPod accessory was outselling Microsoft's media player. Microsoft's new Zune media player, despite heavy marketing, came in only at No. 75 on Amazon's list of 100 best-selling electronics, trailing items such as Apple's $29.99 iPod USB power adapter, at No. 65.

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  • Dustyb, on 10/12/2007, -15/+108Just when you thought we couldn't bring the Zune down anymore, we found another way. The amazing powers of Digg.
    • CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -17/+95Looks like the Zune marketing team should aim quite a bit lower now. Instead of gunning for the iPod, they'll now have to come up with a new marketing campaign to break the 'Commanding hold' of the USB Power Adapters.
    • G_Raph, on 10/12/2007, -73/+28Its a sad day when apple fanboys just have to make up ***** to make Apple's competitors look bad. Geez guys, its not like Apple had steller sells right out of the gate. Microsoft is in this for the long run, get used to the competition guys.
    • luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -19/+62Don't count the Zune out yet. It's got the money of Microsoft behind it, and MS's propensity to include updates on software that doesn't work the first time. Plus, it's just generally a good piece of hardware... but not an iPod. Like the original Xbox, Microsoft is going to have to carve out a niche for themselves, but in the portable media player market. I think they can do it, if they don't half-ass it.

      Once the Zune gets rolling, it'll easily outsell the iPod USB adapter. (Seriously, stop kicking something while it's down. It gets old.) Some things just take time, effort, and money. MS has at least one of those.
    • manifestdata, on 10/12/2007, -11/+44Actually, the marketing department isn't "gunning" for the iPod, using the "amazing powers of digg" you will read an article where Gates admits that the zune will never take over the market. I guess the "amazing powers of fanboy" didn't allow you to read it though.
    • RandomEngy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+79This just in: iPods are still popular. Let's frontpage yet another article about it.
    • 9Digits, on 10/12/2007, -27/+11This just in: more books were sold than the Zune last week! Take THAT!

      Idiots. This story is useless. Buried as lamer than a ***** horse with four legs pointing different directions in a manner in which they should not be pointed.
    • Hickeroar, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6Yaknow, with all this dogging on MS over their crappy first release, people have forgotten about the XBOX 1 vs the XBOX 360. MS seems to have a habit of completely screwing stuff up on the first try and then pretty much nailing it on the second go. Even if the Zune doesn't fly (which is looking pretty probable), in apples shoes I'd still be at least a little cautious about their second go at it. They're finally getting into the habit of learning from their mistakes...even if they seem to make those mistakes the first time they try ANYTHING.
    • virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Manifestdata, you do know that Bill Gates is one man of thousands upon thousands who work at Microsoft, sure he is the creator, but he is NOT the advertisement department. What he says is probably true but when compared to an entire department of people who's job is to make this electronic device sell more, his opinion (which came after the Zune started failing) should really be taken as a grain of salt.

      And I'm sick of people pretending theres only one type of fanboy on this Earth- Apple. Ugh.
    • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24"Don't count the Zune out yet. It's got the money of Microsoft behind it,"
      So did Microsoft Money, and Intuit's still around.

      Zune is Microsoft's third attempt to own the music business, and this one will fail, too.

      -jcr

    • JimV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Part of the problem could be that their marketing SUCKS.

      I saw a Zune commercial the other day and had no idea what the hell the commercial was advertising...once I figured out it was a commercial...until I saw the Zune logo at the end.
    • TanNg, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15What do you think will be outselling: Apple iBook, MacBook or PC power cord?
    • cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Question: Just how did Microsoft "screw things up" with the Xbox? I mean, the original controller was laughable, but quickly corrected, and the hardware was prohibitively expensive--for Microsoft, but as a platform, where were the Zune parallels?

      The machine was unquestioningly more powerful, bundled in more features right out of the box for the gamer, delivered an online experience in short order that actually counted as an "experience" rather than just being there, and brought more developers into the console arena.

      Granted they were primarily PC-focused developers so the Xbox didn't feel like the most "console-y" of consoles, and didn't actually grow the industry much... The PS2 dominated at the same price points, but the Xbox shifted into 2nd place in reasonable form. The 360 in also unquestioningly a better-designed machine, but the number of factors at play against ITS' competition are much different than the Zune/iPod arena.

      Earlier to market? Cheaper? Better-designed? More powerful? Just about every feature that differentiated the Xbox from its' competition are not at play with the Zune, done poorly, or are almost irrelevant in the media player market.

      So, offhand, just playing the "long game" card doesn't work all by itself with the Zune until it actually DOES become a better analogy for the Xbox. How and if it can do so against the iPod...? Not sure. But the game won't start until then.
    • jkenneth, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Well, shallow as it might sound, can anyone honestly say the Zune doesn't have an embarrassing name? I mean, sure, when the iPod came out, it sounded odd, but it wasn't embarrassing to say. Not embarrassing like it rhymes with ***** or some other sex organ, but embarrassing as in it sounds silly. Plus the name is "soft" and indistinct in verbal communication. iPod has a solid structure, and when it is said, there is little room for misinterpretation. But the Zune... well, I can see more than one disappointed teen opening up that ***** Incredibles rip off with Tim Allen this christmas, instead of the MP3 player they'd desired.

      Zune. Goddamn, it's like repeating a really dumb joke, or watching someone else do the same.
    • 23r17i05o42n, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Flush that chunky brown turd. Worst product of 2006!
    • CryoNine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"despite heavy marketing"

      I'm still trying to figure out what "heavy marketing" they did.
    • cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Plenty of magazine advertising, a television campaign, retail stand-ups... And it's only getting stronger as we head into Christmas.

      How much advertising can you think of for ANY player but the iPod?
  • Dihuko, on 10/12/2007, -27/+10Good thing I decided to hold off on a Zune. :D
    • sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -5/+58
      Buy two and you can sit home beaming songs to yourself all day.
    • DeusMachinae, on 10/12/2007, -5/+45Or until you play them three times, anyway.
    • tnwake, on 10/12/2007, -37/+21"Or until you play them three times, anyway."

      Maybe that limitation sucks, but it's still 3 times MORE than your ipod will play songs beamed to.... oh wait.. that's right your ipod can't beam songs anywhere
    • brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -27/+14"Maybe that limitation sucks, but it's still 3 times MORE than your ipod will play songs beamed to.... oh wait.. that's right your ipod can't beam songs anywhere"

      Yeah, but what good is beaming songs at all if it's just 3 times?
    • tnwake, on 10/12/2007, -26/+27"Yeah, but what good is beaming songs at all if it's just 3 times?"

      3 times as good as an ipod.. that's what
    • 9Digits, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24For some reason I see the two comments above and all I can think of the Southpark episode "Cripple Fight"...

      ...
    • so1omon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30@ tnwake
      "3 times as good as an ipod.. that's what"

      3 times 0 is 0.
    • TanNg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@sockpuppets. So funny, I love this kind of joke. Ha ha
  • cfsporn, on 10/12/2007, -27/+11If it wasn't for the crappy DRM the Zune would be okay!
    • mrpither, on 10/12/2007, -26/+37yes, the DRM on the ipod is SO much less crappy than the zunes... yeah...
    • scratt, on 10/12/2007, -26/+15... well apart from the ***** colour, and the size of it, and the user interface, and the company behind it, and the pay off to the music industry, and the installation and use problems, not to mention the fact that there is no content, and it can't do podcasts, or actually wifi with anything useful.... Other than that it's a great bt of kit. Really!
    • nandorocker, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32mrpither: the iPod doesn't have DRM, Apple store purchased files do.
      What's being referred to here is Zune's DRM'ing everything that's beamed from one to the other, even if it's not copyrighted stuff.
    • estvir, on 10/12/2007, -21/+32@scratt,

      > ... well apart from the ***** colour

      There is white and black too, you know, the main colours of the iPod. Amazing what you find out when you aren't an ignorant lemming, eh ?

      > and the size of it

      It fits in pockets and isn't substantially larger than some iPods and it is 1st gen but hopefully subsequent versions will be a more reasonable size.

      > and the user interface

      The one everyone is saying blows the current iPod GUI away ? Yes, that's so horrible and quite a good reason for NOT buying it . .

      > and the company behind it

      This isn't /. nor is 1997, grow up and find a clue.

      > and the pay off to the music industry

      .. because the iPod doesn't pay a 'tax' in certain countries, right ? Oh, and you know everything about that little 'fee' don't you ? I thought so.

      > and the installation and use problems

      Yeah, basing your facts upon one sensationalised story by Engadget is quite an intelligent thing to do. Right on.

      > not to mention the fact that there is no content

      It comes preloaded with free content (Does the iPod do that ?) and there is the Marketplace which has how many thousands (Or was it around a million ?) songs ? So yeah, no content, you're smart.

      > and it can't do podcasts, or actually wifi with anything useful

      It can (Well, not really officially) and the WiFi IS useful, just because you think it isn't doesn't mean so.


      I'm not saying the Zune is perfect or is far above the iPod, just your reasons are freaking stupid and ignorant.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8...well apart from the chrome backing (is it still the 80s or is the market base Mexican??), easily scratch-able housing, less than desirable and non-customizable interface a la sold as "cool minimalist", the company and supporters behind it, and pay off to the music and movie industry, installation and HUGE battery problems, not to mention that the content is the same crap, and thankfully can't do podcast (really, it needs to die...do you know anyone who still tries to use these?) and can't natively do WiFi which brings the potential for doing TONS of stuff useful in the future...it really is a great passing gadget that isn't over hyped. Really!

      [sic]
    • ArnoldTPants, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13nandorocker: "the iPod doesn't have DRM, Apple store purchased files do.
      What's being referred to here is Zune's DRM'ing everything that's beamed from one to the other, even if it's not copyrighted stuff."

      The Zune doesn't DRM anything either except what you buy from the marketplace. It's the exact same as iPod. The player that recieves the file keeps track of it so it is only played three times. The file doesn't change at all. And your complaining about something the iPod can't even do. It's actually pretty ironic.
    • Moscube717, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15My roommate just walked in with his new black Zune. Checking it out, it is a very sweet device. The interface is very clear and easy, and it is fast too. The software installed and synced about 3 gigs with no hitches. About 45 minutes from the opening of the box to the sync completion. (Set up software, import music, get a playlist, find some videos, sync to device.)

      We also synced a few replay clips from Friday's A&M / Texas game and the video looks really great.

      And then there's the DRM. Man oh man if only it wasn't for that, I would have one right now. I was so stoked when they said it wouldn't DRM music that wasn't already. But then came the letdown. That is the one hitch. See, I have spent a lot of time and effort setting up a very modest recording station in my room. I like playing music, but I know I'm not really that great. I'll never sell any records, so I just play a few songs, record them on my computer, and give to my friends. The Zune seemed like the greatest idea, meet somebody in class, send them my take on a few songs. I don't want to sell anything. I'll never buy or own anything with DRM. I've never bought anything from ITMS, Urge, Napster, and I'll never shop in the Zune Marketplace. And I dang sure aint gonna propagate this disease, this silent killer of creativity. Ugh. Maybe later iterations.
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8"The Zune doesn't DRM anything either except what you buy from the marketplace. It's the exact same as iPod. The player that recieves the file keeps track of it so it is only played three times. The file doesn't change at all. "

      Your statement is misleading, and is essentially MS lip-service.

      So what if the file doesn't change, the result is the same. It's still Digital Rights Management by definition.

      You're just repeating Microsoft way of hiding the facts, playing on words.

      The Zune will applies unfair restrictions even to music you created yourself and audio that has a creative commons license. The Wi-Fi feature would be a great way for independent bands to spread their music freely if they want to, but no... it's almost if they'd have to ask MS for permission, even though the Zune doesn't use any of their bandwidth.

      Microsoft sets a dangerous precedent by letting the Zune impose these kind of restrictions on freely distributable music and audio. Consumers should boycott it so that MS and the RIAA understand that people won't put up with this and that this is going too far.

      As for the iPod also using DRM in some cases, Apple didn't set any equivalent precedent with the iPod, MS already had big DRM plans with the RIAA much before the iPod and iTMS. And you can always avoid using any kind of DRM by using MP3 and unprotected AAC on your iPod.
    • ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Problem is that John Q Musiclover doesn't know what the hell DRM is. He'll think the limitations are something to do with the player itself rather than a gun being pointed to the head of the music industry.
    • kethraal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"The one everyone is saying blows the current iPod GUI away?"

      Where is everyone who is saying this? It's more animated, but I haven't read any reviews that actually state it's better.
    • StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"This isn't /. nor is 1997, grow up and find a clue"

      Hang on. Are Microsoft's criminal practices suddenly excusable? What happened?
    • pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@mrpither

      Actually, yes, Apple's FairPlay DRM *is* less restrictive (by FAR) than the Zune's.

      For example, Microsoft adds DRM to ALL content transferred to the Zune. This means podcasts and other plain MP3 material are wrapped in DRM as they are transferred (likely in violation of licensing agreements vis-a-vi the source material as well.)

      That all said, DRM being the achilles heel of the Zune, there are plenty of other reasons to say "Zune sucks".
    • ArnoldTPants, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1pabster: "For example, Microsoft adds DRM to ALL content transferred to the Zune. This means podcasts and other plain MP3 material are wrapped in DRM as they are transferred (likely in violation of licensing agreements vis-a-vi the source material as well.)"

      Like I said before, this is a 100% lie. It does NOT add DRM to ANY content transferred to your zune. That is exactly the same as the iPod. I can rip my own cds and put them on the Zune and NO DRM will be added. It is pretty pathetic that the apple fanboys have resolted to spreading lies.
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Like I said before, this is a 100% lie. It does NOT add DRM to ANY content transferred to your zune. That is exactly the same as the iPod. I can rip my own cds and put them on the Zune and NO DRM will be added. It is pretty pathetic that the apple fanboys have resolted to spreading lies."

      Stop hiding the facts behind technicalities, the Zune adds restrictions to all wirelessly transfered digital audio content, in other words: DRM.

      Individual files don't need to be modified for it to be called DRM.

      The Zune is a DRM wrapper in itself. Files themselves are not touched, but the Zune restricts what can be done with files inside its media vault, and the Zune will delete music files without your explicit permission after 3 days/plays.

      You can slice it and dice it anyway you want, the fact is that the Zune applies restrictions to all wirelessly transfered music and audio files it receives, including music that you composed and recorded yourself. If that's not DRM, what is it called?
  • casemac, on 10/12/2007, -32/+7I think this shows how bad the Zune is when even the accessories are more popular.
    • sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Thanks for that insight, Doctor Wisdom.
    • Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Ah, after hearing life so summarily presented, I can finally end my life. Surely casemac stands upon the pinnacle of understanding, and we can only descend after his words.

      I commend my soul to the infinite.
  • rSm00th, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30considering the existing base of millions of iPods, why is this even suprising / news?
    • spyder91, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33That and the fact it's $29.99... this about as relevant as saying Halo 2 has outsold the PS3.
    • ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i'm glad someone realises this. The prevailing expectation of a competing product seems to be that people will drop the current market leader and buy the upstart production, and then, when that doesn't happen, it must have failed. I don't recall the iPod recording millions of sales in its first week either, you know, but look where it is now. Firefox still doesn't have the leading market share, but we all know it's better than IE, right? The similar symptom here is that when I say to John Q Casual-Computer-User "now, open your web browser", he says "you mean my Internet Explorer, right?", and the iPod has a similar name association. Those unfamiliar with the ground can wind up referring to all mp3 players as iPods.

      It will take a while to chip away at the iPod, and we should expect a market realisation, not a revolution.
  • Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23I am gonna wait for a 2nd gen zune, the first one isn't all that great, but I like the screen. I absolutely despise apple because of all the idiot fanboys on digg.
  • willyallthewei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20MS isn't worried, Zune is just another billion dollar experiment, you gotta wait for the Zune 360 for the real product ;).
  • Namtaru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I love Apple as much as the next guy... but come on, this is far from an accurate comparison. Its an amusing fact, but is a really lousy way of measuring the success of the Zune. Apple has a very large established base of iPods, with a lot of families owning more than one. So instead of buying the 900th version of the iPod for a gift this year, maybe more people are buying accessories this time around. In fact, this article actually makes a decent gift idea now that I mention it. Sweet, one less present to worry about, thank you digg :P
  • bgbs, on 10/12/2007, -11/+9The only heavy marketing I know, is Anti-Zune.
    So what that Ipod outselling, zune is still better.
  • tnwake, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19So an accessory for an existing product that already has millions sold is outselling a brand new product? Is that the best you fanbois can come up with? Sounds like desperation to me.
  • bikeham, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6It usually takes Micro$oft to get to version 3 of anything before it gets it right.
  • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -13/+19...but yet the Zune is outselling the white 80gig iPod. The Zune is also being outsold by the Creative Zen by a looooong shot. No mention of those...so what is your point??

    Care to look at how the 1 and 2gig SanDisk players is outselling the majority of 4 and 8gig Nanos??

    Selective bias.

    Buried because you are an idiot.
    • Gundam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/new-for-you/top-sellers/-/electronics/all/ref=pd_dp_ts_e_1/103-8237176-4675855
      Right, because since certain colors sell better we can all lump them together, yes, the white 80 gig iPod is behind the top ranked Zune, which is #76, the black 80 gig iPod is #5. The white Zune is #811. 6 of the top 10 electronics on Amazon are iPods

      Who is being selectively biased again?
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Thanks for the link...obviously I didn't see it as I just pulled those figures out of my ass.

      I'll clarify the point, this time on a remedial level for you. We're not even comparing MP3 players to MP3 players, which logically would make sense. Instead the asshat, I mean submitter, is striving for obvious sensationalism comparing a product that has been released for a little over a week to an accessory that has a defined base. (where's the article about the SanDisk player? Do you see one??)

      The comparisons I chose were a little more likely as it has a similarity in actual product. This is simply a matter of "fanboi" orgasm, not insightful observation.

      If you want to run your fat mouth and it actually be worthwhile....would you please go look up where the first gen iPod ranked on the Amazon best sellers list a week after release?
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2...and I'm still waiting for someone to show me where the 1st gen iPod ranked on this list after a week of its release.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2...and STILL waiting for someone to post the link of the 1st gen iPod ranking on this list (or comparable) a week after its release.

      You can mod me down...but God still hates you.
    • Zaphod2016, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Jesus just called. It's ok to digg this tool down. God still loves us.
    • Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Gundam sure pissed him off bad.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1No, not pissed off...I'm just STILL WAITING. I'm giving you an opportunity to prove me wrong. Since you can't....well.
  • ruspecnaz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1In Soviet Russia Zune buys your USB power adapter!!!!
  • DigitalMuse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Wow! That's Amazing!

    Oh wait - that make perfect sense. Considering millions of people already own iPods and the Zune was just released a couple weeks ago, it makes perfect sense that more ipod usb power adapters will be sold.
    • dustko, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Then compare it to the amount of iPods sold on the same list -- #1, #2, and #3.

      "According to Amazon, Apple's 2-gigabyte silver iPod Nano was the retailer's top-selling electronics device Monday, followed by the black 30-gigabyte video iPod and the newly released 1-gigabyte iPod Shuffle in the third spot."
  • brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22This just in: Snickers Candy Bars outsell Apple iPods.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3This just in: Snickers Candy Bars outsell Apple iPods.

      You don't need snickers to charge iPods. You don't need snickers to play a zune. What the hell? You are implying that this is apples and oranges....this is apples and crapples.
  • lukehudson, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9even though i dont like the zune, you dont need to kick the enemy when they are down
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Yeah, Poor poor suffering Microsoft. Xbox 360 is making them suffer too. Quite making me cry. My heart is in pain as to what MS has had to endure. Even the Katrina victims have nothing on poor ole MS. Please don't kick them when they are down!
  • codywolf, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12Well your mom outsells the ipod.
    • ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The iPod doesn't give change if you pay with a dime though.
  • motivr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17It's like "Blank DVDs are outselling Blu-Ray Recorders" wwwooow surprising.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1"It's like "Blank DVDs are outselling Blu-Ray Recorders" wwwooow surprising."

      Blank DVDs are not proprietary to one type of DVD player as ARE the mentioned proprietary iPod USB adapters. I of course have bought more blank DVDs then I have bought players, but I have bought more iPods (two) then I have proprietary USB charges (one).
  • diggerphelps, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Okay, we get it.
    The zune is shiite.
    Unless, you're trying to give some kind of 'underdog status' or 'street cred' to Microsoft, give it a rest.
    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Get it? You mean like we get your alias? Be sure to give that a rest...
  • diggerphelps, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3>> Buy two and you can sit home beaming songs to yourself all day.

    I think you mean 'squirt.'
  • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Like lame products ever stopped MS before. Win 95 was supposed to run on 386s up. Would only run on P1s. New OS? Prob have to get new office. Win CE version 1 through at least 3 sucked worse then anything ever--wouldn't even sync right with windows unless you bought the at the time "new" 98ver2 for $200 ($100 for upgrade). Gone? Nope. Internet explorer 1-2? Crashed on every OS and made inoperable competitors like Netscape and Mosaic (original Netscape).

    Early Outlook Express had a fatal error that would DESTROY several types of computers. Rendering them completely inoperable. This happened to at least three machines (gateways and dells) where I used to work, and not only me.

    So really, Zune ain't going anywhere. MS will just keep plugging away until you all forget how bad they once were and the younger hipper computer users in 5 years have no clue about this version but all have one.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Word of advice....don't let this guy near any of your computers.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@Solarux

      I'd be mad but that's funny (seriously).

      Child, there were OS's and sw before XP and many of them functioned like *****. I'm sure your Zune will squirt better then anyone else's though.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Since you can take a little badgering like a man...I'll go easy on you.

      However, just saying the line "Early Outlook Express had a fatal error that would DESTROY several types of computers. Rendering them completely inoperable" will get you laughed out of a room...or kicked in the nuts. Maybe this whole "technology thing" might not be a good idea.

      Ever thought about being a rodeo clown??
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"However, just saying the line "Early Outlook Express had a fatal error that would DESTROY several types of computers. Rendering them completely inoperable" will get you laughed out of a room...or kicked in the nuts. Maybe this whole "technology thing" might not be a good idea."

      Yeah...I know it would...but that's how ***** up it was. The company programmers couldn't fix them, IT couldn't, tech support said...yep don't install on these computers because you won't be able to use your computer even after waxing the hd.
      This is how messed up it was. Yeah, the memory and the sound card still worked, but the Bios and the hardrives were FRIED on all three. Maybe you think that you could fix it, but the successful company I worked for couldn't. Yet since you probably have experienced this and fixed it, I'm sure I have no clue.
      Thanks for going light on me.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Ummm....yea. That's a hardware issue. Not exactly an issue of Outlook Express frying your board. Hmmmm. Maybe we should shoot lower? How about just putting the crack pipe down??
  • satori3000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Sad really. this is the kind of thread that will lose their ad dollars to digg, but it's not Diggs fault that sales are weak.
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1" this is the kind of thread that will lose their ad dollars to digg, but it's not Diggs fault that sales are weak."

      Meh, the more the Zune looks bad on digg.com, the more MS will pay Kevin and Alex so they compensate by promoting the Zune and never criticizing it ever again.
  • mntpng, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5There is an old saying that's appropriate for Zune. You can't polish a turd. In this case you can't polish a brown Zune.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21.0 is to put out brand awareness and will pay off their taxes for the rest of the company as a loss. 2.0 will be for all the people who thought the crappyness in 1.0 will was fixed. 3.0 and up will coast on the fact that it's now been around for 5 years and the rest will be because MS has made deals with other companies like cel cariers or cable operators or whatever media will be like in the future. This has always been MS's model and they suck for it, but it works. Even Expedia is usually twice as much as any other travel agent, but they have such a cool name and are included with all Windows PCs so average people just use it cause it's easy and they can tell their friends that they got a better deal then at well whatever ("honestly I didn't check other sites"). Marketing and branding baby.
  • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4
    This is because the iPod power adapter has more functionality than a Zune.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"This is because the iPod power adapter has more functionality than a Zune."

      LOL!

      Yeah, and at least you own the electricity (unless you take it from someone else...then I guess that's electrical piracy) The energy companies are watching. Don't share your electricity without a multi electricity license.
  • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I have an Ipod, I bought a power adapter, not because I think that ipods are so awesome (Although I do love mine) but because after owning mine for 16 months the battery no longer holds a charge so I have to keep it always plugged in. yay ipod and there ***** batteries!
    oh, and I for one love that the Zune is out and hope that it does great, with no competition to speak of the ipod is bound to get stale, maybe now ipods will have networking, or maybe they'll be forced to change other things to keep there edge. sorry I can't jump on the apple is perfect bandwagon but I think theres room for improvement. p.s. whats wrong with the brown color? Ilike the inconspicousness of it alot better than the bright pink, blue and green ipods. subtlety is nice.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Yeah, at least I didn't have to buy all my CDs again when I got my iPod. Could play em just fine.
    • jwdav, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Zune and the 30 GB iPod have the same battery and hard drive. If you don't like the iPod battery, Zune isn't going to change anything.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Point was that competition will do nothing but help. monopolies are rarely innovative. look at Microsoft (is that some kind of paradox?)
    • elliam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So your point is that you have an issue with your iPod battery, but you think competition from another mp3 player with the exact same battery will change things?

      Batteries wear out, numbnuts. When you bought the device it was plainly obvious that there was no door for the battery.. unless you though it was powered by Love..
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"because after owning mine for 16 months the battery no longer holds a charge so I have to keep it always plugged in. yay ipod and there ***** batteries!"

      That's nothing to do with the iPod, it's called "the nature of chemical-based rechargable batteries". They degrade over time, this is KNOWN, and is also very effectively pointed out on Apple's web site in their battery information section.
  • ElumEnopee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just did a search for the word "Zune" using diggs search option. 11 pages of articles! Crikey! We get it already!

  • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the Zune has been hamstrung as it is, but this is a pretty silly comparison - the adaptor after all is cheap and serivces tens of millions of existing users. The Zune is new and has some of the worst marketing I've ever seen; being in position #75 is a testiment to how some people will buy a new hot thing not matter how mixed the reviews or inept the marketing.
  • BangoSkank, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The power adapters are also out selling PS3's.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"The power adapters are also out selling PS3's."


      Then can you get me a PS3 since they are so available? Those huge lines here in NYC for 40 hours I guess were for the Zune.
    • colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Then can you get me a PS3 since they are so available? Those huge lines here in NYC for 40 hours I guess were for the Zune."

      This is a good point. The Zune is in stock most places and not selling. Comparing the Zune and the PS3 to the Wii is a poor comparison because no one has those in stock, otherwise they would sell more.
  • Experiment626, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8All this article proves to me is how effective Apple was at screwing iPod users when they stopped bundling the power adapter for free.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2"All this article proves to me is how effective Apple was at screwing iPod users when they stopped bundling the power adapter for free."

      I don't think that that's an iPod you bought...both mine came with them. I don't think you are correct.
    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2
      This is probably the iPod you purchased:

      http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/11/ipodfake.jpg
    • saifatlast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually, it's well known and published that later gen (g5?) iPods didn't come with chargers. I know this because mine didn't.
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"All this article proves to me is how effective Apple was at screwing iPod users when they stopped bundling the power adapter for free."

      This change came with an upgrade to the iPod line and a drop in price. Apple didn't stop bundling the adapter suddenly, keeping the same price, like you're implying.

      And since we're talking about the Zune... Is there a power-adapter bundled with it?

      No...

      I don't need a power adapter for my iPod, if anything, I'm glad Apple stopped forcing people to get one bundled and dropped the price on iPods accordingly.
    • fernwood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2No USB charger.. Probably because Apple started listening to users like me. I've never had to use my iPod charger. Instead it always charged when it's plugged into my Mac at home, my PC at work, my car audio adapter, or plugged into my laptop in a hotel on business trips. I can't think of a situation when I'd need to charge it using an AC adapter, but be without a computer.
  • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4
    Even the Dildo's on Amazon are outselling the Zune.

    http://www.amazon.com/Semiconductor-Waterproof-Massager-Light-Emitting-Masseur/dp/B000I4OLBC/sr=8-1/qid=1164694133/ref=sr_1_1/002-0496939-4516037?ie=UTF8&s=hpc
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Even dildos"

      My skills in tech support are outselling the Zune.
  • themadscientist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's a tall order to compete with a product so entrenched. Aside from the most basic playing of music, iPods are being integrated with many models of new cars and have so many companies making products for them and most recently, integration with several airlines. University professors are even making podcasts of their lectures. Point is, iPod is a very entrenched product with a entire landscape uses and products and a tough competitor.

    I wish Zune had been better, as that would force more innovation in the iPod sooner. When I read the specs on the Zune, I couldn't believe it. So much potential to make a competitor, but they crippled it right out of the gate. No questions the 3rd or 4th iteration of Zune will be much better, but the horse is out of the barn. My question is how will MS extricate themselves from the deal the made with Universal(?)

    They need to change the points system for buying music, to free the wireless to transfer the music as needed, relax the DRM and that's just a start. It seems like a player made by a committee of lawyers.

    Right now, there is no good reason to buy a Zune. I expect that will change, but the changes that are needed, I just can't see happening.
  • HermanCarson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Microsoft owned. I mean the Zune looks attractive, but the software sucks from what I've heard.
  • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3
    The Zune is basically a Toshiba Gigabeat that's been laden with Microsoft DRM, poor firmware and Wi-Fi. Save yourself the hassle and just buy a Gigabeat.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Have you ever wondered who makes 60% of the iPod??

      Yup. Toshiba.
    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3
      That's nice to know. But, the Zune is still a modified Gigabeat.

      Care to tell us the source for your 60% remark? I want an actual link from an official source.
    • themadscientist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Which iPod? The drive model use a Toshiba drive, but not the flash models. Hardly 60%.

      It a 52% likelihood that you pulled that out of your ass.
    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
      Not to mention that Samsung is one of Apple's major part suppliers for the iPod.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well...the hard drive has the Toshiba stamp of approval on it. The processors are made by Texas Instruments. The system board and all other electronic components is now almost all Toshiba (or Philips) except for the codec chip made by Wolfson Microelectronics. The housing is made by Apple's in-house manufacturer and the display screen is a Sharp product.

      60% is an approximate...but it's still more than half.

      I'm sure you're big boy enough boy to Google this info yourself. Start with WikiPedia and then search the Electronic design/engineering articles on the iPod.

      Here's some more good news for ya....the iPod wasn't designed by Apple. It was created by PortalPlayer of Santa Clara, CA.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yes, Samsung makes a good chunk of the compenents for the flash based iPod.

      Here...here is how you use the internets. Clicky clicky the linky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod#Chipsets_and_electronics

      I'm sure you can find the rest. Let me know if you want me to hold your hand.
    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Here...here is how you use the internets. Clicky clicky the linky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod#Chipsets_and_electronics

      I'm sure you can find the rest. Let me know if you want me to hold your hand."

      Your Internet tubes must be clogged because you've failed to prove that Apple sources 60% of the components of the iPod from Toshiba. If you need help with mathematics, let me know and I'll help you. I know percentages can be difficult for a child, but with proper repetition and Tony Robbins power tapes I know you can do it.

    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"Here's some more good news for ya....the iPod wasn't designed by Apple. It was created by PortalPlayer of Santa Clara, CA."

      Your batting average just keeps going down everytime you reply. The iPod was designed by Apple Computer USA. Here's how you use the internets. Clicky clicky the linky.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod#Chipsets_and_electronics

      and find the following text:

      Jonathan Ive (Senior Vice President of Industrial Design at Apple Computer) led the team that designed the iPod, which has established Apple as the dominant presence in the mp3 player market.

      Read each word, process the meaning and repeat.


    • colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Here's some more good news for ya....the iPod wasn't designed by Apple."

      Gee. I guess the iPod's case and OS were designed by magical fairy elves then. I'll just forget I know people at Apple who work on the iPod's OS.

      And iTunes? Are you going to argue that Portalplayer makes iTunes?
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Solarux

      "Well...the hard drive has the Toshiba stamp of approval on it. The processors are made by Texas Instruments. The system board and all other electronic components is now almost all Toshiba (or Philips) except for the codec chip made by Wolfson Microelectronics. The housing is made by Apple's in-house manufacturer and the display screen is a Sharp product."

      So what you are really saying is that Toshiba makes "some of the components" in the iPod. If Toshiba MADE the iPod, surely they would be manufacturing them?
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Here's some more good news for ya....the iPod wasn't designed by Apple. It was created by PortalPlayer of Santa Clara, CA."

      The iPod user Interface (scroll wheel, and casing) were designed by Apple. The part that PortalPlayer created was the underlying hardware infrastructure (the integrated chipset and electronics).

      Basically, the only part that the users care about was designed by Apple. SOme of the hidden stuff was designed by others.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow. Ummmm....ok. Denial is healthy and all.

      You can read all about PortalPlayers involvement here:

      http://www.designchain.com/coverstory.asp?issue=summer02

      "Apple developed a layered design chain tuned for an early-stage market to create the iPod. Even more unusual for Apple, it relied on a platform and reference design created by a third party, PortalPlayer, of Santa Clara, Calif."

      Since you are handicapped and still having problems with this.... The main basic components of this particular device break down into the following: housing, screen, hard drive, circuit board and battery. Since Toshiba is the only manufacturer who makes two of those items (which coincidentally are the most important components of the device) and other manufacturers make only one component, from a hardware prospective (which I assumed we were talking about) you can say the percentage of Toshiba parts of the iPod make it and the Zune are kissing cousins.

      I'm sorry you hate Toshiba, Microsoft, Sony, Sharp, Philips, everyone else under the Sun, etc etc...but you're idiotic for saying that Toshiba sucks when it makes a good part of the toy you spooge over.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Even more unusual for Apple, it relied on a platform and reference design created by a third party, PortalPlayer, of Santa Clara, Calif."

      I think the key part in that statement is "REFERENCE". I.e. it formed a base for Apple to work from. And the "PLATFORM" would refer to the internal architecture, such as the chipset (Two core ARM processors and supporting chips) rather than "DEVICE" which would mean a completed fully functional player.

      The wording is everything.
  • Experiment626, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"I don't think that that's an iPod you bought...both mine came with them. I don't think you are correct."

    @jaycliche,

    Not a single current-model iPod is bundled with a power adapter. (Not even the top-of the line video iPods come with wall warts). Apple expects you to charge the iPod via USB from your computer. Therein lies the reason why so many people buy the USB power adapter accessory - it's directly proportional to the number of people who have bought the newere iPods and want to be able to recharge them while they are away from their computers.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@Experiment626

      Didn't know that. They use standard USB cables now though, right? I got six here that got in my dinner cause they are so prevalent. I just bought a printer that didn't come with USB, then I exchanged it for another one cause I didn't like it (different brand) and it didn't come with a USB either. Seems like if they just use regular USB it would be inline with what many other companies are doing. Still cheaper then not being able to sync with media player or itunes and having to rebuy nothing I'd want from their buddies at Universal.
    • fernwood, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Directly proportional minus at least one, me. I never had a need for a wall wart adapter, as I'm never in a location where I'd need to charge my iPod, but be without my desktop or laptop. I imagine the same goes for a lot of people.

      For Apple to avoid this extra expense goes beyond the raw electronic components: testing, certifications, different electronics for different regions, international regulations and certifications, emissions certifications, etc.. It probably equates to a significant amount of money.
    • Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1fernwood, do you know what "directly proportional" means?
      Hint - it doesn't equate to "100%".
  • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"The Zune doesn't DRM anything either except what you buy from the marketplace. It's the exact same as iPod. "
    This turns out not to be the case. If I send you any file via Zune's wi-fi connection, the same restrictions apply, even if it's a song I ripped myself. Three plays, three days. It's one of the many RIAA panderings that MS agreed to.

    -jcr

    • Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Why is this a problem?

      With an iPod you CANT send a song to your friend to listen to for three times. YOU CANT, NOT EVEN THREE TIMES.

      This negative press the Zune gets is all *****, apple fanboys are amazing...

      Go ahead, digg down.
    • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3"With an iPod you CANT send a song to your friend to listen to for three times. YOU CANT, NOT EVEN THREE TIMES."

      Yes, but I can play ANY song. From what I understand you are stuck with Universal music's collection...yippee. You have to crack it to put on your own songs and send them...which is cool, but that really won't matter when the iPhone comes out with wifi in January.
      So you PCboyz can squirt all you want.
    • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"This negative press the Zune gets is all *****"

      It's well deserved. The Zune doesn't even function as a mass storage device (without a reg hack and even then it doesn't show up as a drive)
    • Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@jaycliche
      are you high? what are you talking about?

      the mass storage is one negative part of the Zune, but besides that...
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Why is this a problem?"

      Because it sets a dangerous precedent. It gives the RIAA control over a possible music distribution mechanism that could overtake them.

      Independent bands and artists could distribute music (and podcasts) virally via Wi-Fi without even having to pay a dime of bandwidth, but the RIAA doesn't want that.

      This is what the RIAA is really afraid of, losing control of distribution mechanisms. Piracy is really not that of a problem for them.

      The big music labels controlled the music industry because they got a hold on the infrastructure to distribute music physically, because of the money required to manage huge fleets of trucks, trains, boats and planes, and the fact that there's only room for a few players in that physical space. Electronic distribution, especially P2P and wireless P2P solutions are a threat to their money making scheme.

      Microsoft never should have accepted these terms, and we, as consumers shouldn't accept them either.

      If people buy tons of Zunes without caring much about these restrictions, it will give unprecedented power to the RIAA over what can be done over file sharing.

      If people boycott the Zune, stating these restrictions as the main problem, the RIAA will lose power over this and will be forced to loosen their grip.
  • consonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Because getting on the bestseller list for electronics obviously means your product is selling badly.
  • jaydj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wish I created an PMP that was ranked #75 on Amazon
  • szolDat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4This only shows that an iPod can't be bought without buying an adapter separately since Apple didn't include it in the package... At THAT price they should have included the thing and not sell it separately at a completely RIPOFF price!

    Ah, never mind me. Guess if I had enough money I'd happily join the flock and say "BAAH".
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"I'd happily join the flock and say "BAAH"."

      And what the anti-iPod flock sheep say? "BEEH"?

      The Zune doesn't include a power-adapter, why don't you complain about that too?
  • jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"However, just saying the line "Early Outlook Express had a fatal error that would DESTROY several types of computers. Rendering them completely inoperable" will get you laughed out of a room...or kicked in the nuts. Maybe this whole "technology thing" might not be a good idea."

    Yeah, I know it sounds crazy to all the microprocessor designers on Digg, but we had the IT guys work on them. Had the Programmers work on them. Yeah, the sound card and memory still worked, but the BIOS was fried. We sent them back to Gateway and they couldn't fix, so they sent replacements. Guess Gateway should get out of Tech as well!

    PS In addition, everyone who was involved in the early browser wars (pre win98) knows that IE would make inoperable without a full OS reinstall on both Mac and PC Netscape. But maybe it was all a bad dream.
    • Zaphod2016, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Guess Gateway should get out of Tech as well!"

      Yes. Yes they should.

      And I have never known a piece of software to destroy firmware (BIOS) settings. I'm not saying its impossible, but I've never seen it.

      Got a link I can clicky click? Learning is fun!
    • elliam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It must have been a bad dream. I've Never heard of that. Ever. Not from a browser or email program. The closest I come is installing an early version of RedHat supposedly screwed a friend's hard drive.

      Now, tell me that a virus on the computer did that and I'll believe you. Viruses used to be about printing stupid crap on your screen and/or severely breaking your computer. Say you got the virus through IE or Outlook? Again, that I will believe.
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I own an iPod and Mac but I've officially been driven to wanting the Zune to succeed by some of the idiots posting this crap on digg non-stop.
  • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5ANYBODY...just ONE person....please post a link of the 1st gen iPod sales ranking on this list (or comparable) about a week after release.

    Anyone? Anyone?

    No?

    Suck it.
    • ElumEnopee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Not quite what your looking for this was posted on one of many other zune stories digg has seen lately.

      "I'm sure I'll get dugg down but I can remember back in 2001, the 1G iPods weren't exactly flying off the shelves, either. The mechanical scroll wheel was temperamental, the battery was prone to failure (eventually resulting in lawsuits - a flaw not fixed until 3G units), no shuffle songs option, it cost $400, initial capacity was 10GB (later 20GB), no remote, only one game (breakout). Initial sales were greater in Europe than the US, which combined resulted in about 125,000 units sold that first year. Also, the ipod would not be what it is today if not for the addition of PC support (Apple realized early on that making it a mac only device was a mistake). And don't forget about the lawsuit from Apple Corps (the Beatles) which had the potential of keeping Apple Computer out of the "music" business.
      It seems easy to forget those early days seeing as how the iPod is now the dominate player on the market. My 4G unit is still going strong. I kind out wish it would fail so I get get a new one. In the end though, seeing as how the Zune is several generations behind the ipod in terms of market penetration, it has got a long way to go before it can even get close to the iPods numbers. Only time will tell, i guess."
    • elliam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@Solarux: Dude, you're a tit.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2No good comparing first gen iPod sales. Apple had to CREATE the market (yes I know MP3 players existed before the iPod, but only geeks and the really tech-savy bought them) and also had no choice but to use what is now considered inferior technology.

      The Zune only stands a chance in the MP3 player market because Apple created the MASS MARKET (not just the small geek market) where everyone wants to own an MP3 player.
    • cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0If only the Zune were aiming at 1st gen iPods instead of current-gen ones! They could hardly make Apple happier.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of this waste of bandwidth story about how the Zune is failing in sales? Isn't the sole purpose of this post to point out how the Zune is being outsold by a competitor's accessory??

      iPod didn't create the MP3 player market, demand created it. Like most I had MP3s on my hard drive before I bought my first MP3 player. With the exponential rise of digital media in the home, logically, some manufacturer was going to be a success. The iPod was the first one to get close to getting it right from a consumer perspective.

      I'm sorry, but saying the Zune has a chance in the market because Apple created it is like saying Apple Macs have a chance in the market because Microsoft Windows created it. We both know that is just not true. It's also kind of like saying the abundance of TV sales are due to Zenith. No they are not...that's asinine! TV sales are strong because people want to watch TV...and porn!

      And yes, since this is a 1st gen product you cannot compare the devices as the iPod already has an installed and established base. The ONLY comparison that is NEAR fair are results in comparable product sales (ie: Zunes initial launch compared to iPods initial launch)...which even that can be argued. The video game console market would be a good comparative product example.

      @elliam
      Awwww...did I say something that you didn't like? Going to cry for me now? C'mon...pout a little more because you're not hearing what you want. It's ok. Go find mommy, she'll give you a hug.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"iPod didn't create the MP3 player market, demand created it"

      But Apple CREATED the DEMAND for the iPod, greatly driving up the desires of your average person to own an MP3 player, ergo the iPod CREATED the mass MP3 player market.

      In the US alone Apple has around 80% of the MP3 player market, so the iPod pretty much IS the market. Without the iPod MP3 players would still be a niche/geek/techy market.
  • afarmer2005, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Well, seeing as the average buyer doesn't buy Zunes off of Amazon when you can go to the store and buy the product for the same price....avoid shipping.....and have it in your hands right away.......

    I am honestly sick of everyone bashing the Zune, I am an owner and it is a really nice product. Please, quit bashing it on Digg, its just makes you look retarded because the only people who agree with you are biased.....read any unbiased review out there and they happen to think that its a nice product.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2That explains why nobody (/sarcasm) is buying iPods and other products from Amazon then!
    • tadunne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The average buyer does not buy Zunes offline either!
  • applepro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1*sigh* the market's different from then and now. iPod's blazed the market even though players existed then and the Zune is 5 years too late. especially since it's still copying the basic iPodness of the iPod.
  • rtini, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This is probably because iPods don't come with power adapters anymore. You have to plug them into a powered-on computer's USB port to charge them.
    • bolero421, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When I first got my 5g Video iPod, I was mad as hell that it didn't come with a charger a.k.a. wall-wart. Thankfully, I had been in the business of buying broken iPods, fixing them up, and selling them on eBay so I had few extra chargers.

      I've come to realize though that I hardly ever use the wall charger. I have an iHome, which provides power to charge the iPod, and a firewire cable to my laptop does just as well.

      Granted, if I was on a trip somewhere I would want a wall charger. I still think Apple should include one in the package.
    • dgr814vr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Exactly what i wanted to say, i used to sell them and i saw the packaging shrink(to protect the environment[and make it easier to pinch] but hang on there's not much left to package)
  • skingers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If the Zune does succeed in becoming number 2 it will be at the expense of Microsoft's own "plays for sure" partners, not Apple.
  • testdrivemedia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4There is nothing wrong with the zune. It's great. And i like it. Oh and guess what, my 60gig ipod is sitting in a draw, because next to my zune, i just don't like it much anymore.

    And considering how many ipods are out there, it only seems logical that a crap load of 'chargers' would be selling for them.
  • carapi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Yeah..becuase EFERYBODY buys their stufdf on Amazon.


    Seriously fanboys...that is sad even for you.

    Again...how many times must people hammer home the FACT that not ONE single person at Microsoft expects to outsell the iPod any time soon.

    Just because you are all too ***** stupid to know how businesses INVEST in the future, doesn't mean you will ever be right about anything in your entire worthless lives.

    The funny thing is, ifyou truly WEREN'T afraid of the Zune, you wouldn't feel the need to post these ridiculous articles all the time. You are all scared, knowing that if hte iPod goes, Apple falls to the mid-90s levels. And your lives will have lost ALL meaning.

    The mass suicides by Apple fans is really enough motivation that Bill Gates should personally purchase 20 million Zunes.
  • tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Look I got to use a Zune the other night, and I found it nice. The current player I own is a 20GB Zen Touch, and I am seriously considering the Zune.

    I'll have to look at all the gripes about it first, but as far as the interface and screen and sound quality, the Zune is great. Yes I've used iPods and they are also very nice.

    And the funny thing is, I like that the Zune is bigger than the iPod... I've never understood the popularity of Razr cell phones, and I like having something that isn't super small in my hand. I guess I'm the minority when it comes to the size of consumer electronics.

    It's probably because I am a big guy, 6'2 and have large hands. I can't stand using small cell phones and electronics.
    • cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Then you'd probably still like the iPod more, since the actual control mechanism is much larger than Zune's tiny-placed buttons, eh? ;-)

      (Not to mention you're not prompted to hold it sideways and perch it delicately on your fingertips while using those small buttons.)

  • scutter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p134/Scutter_photos/Apple-Fanboy-Alert-small.jpg

    Alert Level: HIGH
  • pixor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Another day, another Zune disaster story. I'm not digging this one, because I am starting to feel sorry for the people who worked on this thing :(
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