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- awizeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14CS3 users are almost every designer, print house, professional pre-press firm, publisher, you name it. CS2 was adobe's flagship product for 3 years. If it will truly run 300% faster on the intel platform (based on rosetta on intel macs running CS2) - you will see huge numbers using this. I would, for one.
- cmallinson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"most people have no need for such software or use a pirate copy."
Adobe has this completely figured out. Price a product where professionals can justify the cost, and make it easy to pirate for people who use it casually. People all over the world pirate photoshop like it's a sport, and guess what ... a lot of them LEARN to use it, and end up buying it later on.
For a real designer, Adobe's CS suite gives you almost all the software you need to do your job for just over $1000 (every couple of years if you stick with the latest versions). Ask an auto mechanic how much tools cost. Ask a fisherman how much he paid for his boat. Heck, even a pizza guy needs a car! - imyayo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14"You don't need it"
So when your chosen career path is a graphic/website designer, and you chose to use alternatives, leaving you with no experience of the software, How do you expect to obtain a job?
Most web development firms usually have photoshop experience as a pre-requisite these days. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11If you call Universal Binary an enhancement..then yes.
- Antialias, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Jimzip,
Photoshop isn't for home users. If you're a high school student making web sites you don't need Photoshop. Programs like autocad & maya aren't cheap either. There are a ton of options for home users who will never use even half of what Photoshop offers. I'm a designer myself, so I feel the pain on the price, but they price it where they will make the most profit. - EntropyFan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Enhancements?
Want to see a pissed off Mac user? Have them take their brand new $3000+ Intel Mac and wipe the floor (performance wise) with a $900 PC using every Photoshop test you can come up with.
Performance under Rosetta just does not cut it. - zbilly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@jimzip
just buy the educational version if you're a student. - rougewisp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@eatrains:
Photoshop Elements should make any self-respecting designer/artist/etc. throw up in disgust. Elements isn't even worth pirating, it's complete crap. It is not in any way a viable alternative to accruing experience if you're serious about pursuing design/art/etc. as a career.
Photoshop without masks and channels is just MS Paint with layers. - t.toe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6all I can say about this article is, "ummm... duh."
- TimothyStickles, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Why is this news? Apple itself has said that CS3 will boost upgrades to Intel machines. This is like predicting that the sky will be blue. No brainer.
- ApplCmptrDood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Captain Obvious?
- jeickholt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4our little shop has earmarked getting 5 mac pros as soon as cs3 comes out.
- eatrains, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Photoshop Elements has many of Photoshop's features and is a seventh of the price. It's a great value and an alternative to buying or pirating the full fledged Photoshop.
- matthewdrayton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Duh!
- ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4All their estimates were based off a sample of 50 Mac Adobe users. Why make such big predictions from such a small sample? Surely they could have used a better sample size...
- Shananra, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You have an interesting point of view. OSX is so far ahead of Windows, including vista, on a productivity standpoint that it isn't even funny. You will get stuff done ten times faster on a mac that is half as fast, and running rosetta to boot, just because of the intuitive nature of the operating system.
I am a very advanced photoshop user, and the only thing that I find slow is the loadup times on the software. The program itself runs quite smoothly on my intel-based mac, even with the high level of complexity that I typically work with.
To each their own, I suppose. Good luck with your pc box. - iDrinkKoolAid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Although not a heavy user, I do use Photoshop and Illustrator enough so that I cannot justify using CS2 on a MacTel right now. CS3 can't come out early enough. By then Leopard should be out and I'll be killing two birds. It's unfortunate that my slow 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook can run Photoshop faster than the fastest Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro under Rosetta...
- mxfreak92, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4it seems many people dont understand... photoshop is for pros. I happen to know someone who makes a living with it.. and to a pro a few new features and better performance is more than well worth the price tag
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a college student, I'm about to graduate, and I'm not necessarily going into design for a career. But I'm definitely waiting for CS3 (and Office 2007 for Mac) to get a new MacBook. For me it will signal that it's finally time to jump to an Intel processor.
- darkyoshi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4yeah, about those 4 core Mac Pros... they're already here.
- EntropyFan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Try2ImagineThis
While I'm not a Photoshop pro (I'm the network/infrastructure guy), the speed difference between my mid-level PC and the high end Intel Mac in doing things like applying alterations/effects/color correction/opening/saving/ect was enough to make steam come out of the designer who bought the spanking new Mac. Switching active windows is nothing in comparison.
We (a graphic design house) won't even buy new Macs until Photoshop/Quark show up for the Intel.
Is the new version on Photoshop going to boost Mac sales? At least where I work. - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@awizeman
Yeah, I'll agree that it makes sense. I am just wondering why they half-assed the study. If they are going to do one, it might as well be done properly. - awizeman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5If it is 50 or 5000, the answer will be the same. CS3 is the most anticipated update that they will have for a while (I heard it will coincide with release of 4 core MacPro's)
- Zelpus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Driving sales by who? Old school print artists?
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just to let you know, EntropyFan, QuarkXPress 7 is out and it's Universal...
My design company is sticking with PowerPC Macs for now... We purchased Quad-G5 PowerMacs about a month before the Mac Pros came out... Some of us are still on G4s, so the wait for CS3 isn't bothering us, really.
Now, personally, I really wish CS3 would come out sooner... I plan on buying a Macbook Pro next Spring and damned if I want to be running CS2 on it. - awizeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2We will know when we see the next versions, they simply are not Universal only for the upgrades. With the marriage of macromedia and adobe, I can only dream...
- ForgottenStory, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Antialias
"Photoshop isn't for home users. If you're a high school student making web sites you don't need Photoshop. Programs like autocad & maya aren't cheap either. There are a ton of options for home users who will never use even half of what Photoshop offers. I'm a designer myself, so I feel the pain on the price, but they price it where they will make the most profit."
I agree that for making web sites there are a lot of other options that may not offer as much as Photoshop, but suite most needs. On the other hand, I am a student that finds Photoshop invaluable in many aspects. I use or have used almost everything Photoshop has to offer in multiple projects and find that I would be lost in many cases without these features. I also would find owning this for my home invaluable because much of the work I have for school is for apprenticeship so that many of my other projects suffer without Photoshop time.
Maybe i just haven't found a good alternative yet though. - kerplunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have a MacBook Pro with 2GB of RAM, and I must say that Adobe Photoshop CS2 runs ass slow. It is so slow it is almost unusable.
I hope they also make CS3's startup faster. Everyone knows it takes ages to startup Photoshop, no matter what hardware. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe there is a new healing brush.ooooooOOO
- vashmyvindows, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I used windows and photoshop for years, but with expose, quicksilver, two-finger-scrolling and the way OSX Photoshop doesn't have a background, I'd wager that I work a lot faster on OSX.
But I'm not jumping to Intel until CS3... - gailwin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1bottom line, whoever wants CS3 should get CS3
Whoever's happy with CS2 can keep CS2
and so on and so forth. - gailwin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@Antialias:
"Photoshop isn't for home users. If you're a high school student making web sites you don't need Photoshop."
Four words for you buddy...
SHUT THE ***** UP
You are talking out of your ass,
@ForgottenStory:
"I agree that for making web sites there are a lot of other options that may not offer as much as Photoshop, but suite most needs. On the other hand, I am a student that finds Photoshop invaluable in many aspects. I use or have used almost everything Photoshop has to offer in multiple projects and find that I would be lost in many cases without these features. I also would find owning this for my home invaluable because much of the work I have for school is for apprenticeship so that many of my other projects suffer without Photoshop time.
Maybe i just haven't found a good alternative yet though."
Amen to that bro!
I'm in High School and i find photoshop invaluable as well, for several tasks including minor photo touchups, removing backgrounds, web design, and much more!
+1 digg
@EntropyFan
"You're right about poor Rosetta performance, but Exposé in OSX makes up for all window juggling in XP. Just to navigate all the windows around to work between the programs in Creative Suite is a crazy frustration in XP! Who cares if it's a little slow to load up in OSX? At least productivity is up once it's opened!"
+1 digg as well
@Tentel:
"Dear god i'd hope it would drive sales. Considering everyone that i know owns a mac all they use it for is graphics =P"
YOU ARE A DUMBASS
Mac OS X is not only for graphic design
Everyday people buy macs, which is why Apple opened Apple Retail Stores
I use my mac mainly for DJ'ing, however i do some small phtography on the side, small enough that i could use a pc for it, but i wanted a mac. The mac is just better. End of story.
-1 Digg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2CS2 starts up fast as hell in xp. The slow startup in osx is the result of it being ppc software running in emulation on an intel mac. When it is a ub it will fly.
- liveinabin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The lack of Photoshop is the main thing holding back most people's purchase of an Intel Mac. Once CS comes out, sales of Intel macs are going to go through the roof.
That said, I'll be holding out for an Intel Corel Painter. - snowwrestler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I own an iBook G4 and do Web design and production. Before I pull the trigger on a new Mac I'm waiting for 3 milestones:
1) Core2Duo MacBook Pros (achieved!)
2) Leopard
3) Adobe apps in Universal binary
Those talking about Photoshop need to realize that there is more to Adobe CS than that. InDesign and Illustrator are very commonly used apps...believe it or not print design is still going very strong as a profession.
And now that Adobe owns Macromedia, expect the "Creative Suite" and "Studio" products to get intermixed in the next release. Imagine a "Web CS" product that integrates Photoshop, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Flash (and maybe Contribute and Breeze), but skips InDesign and Illustrator. It would be the PERFECT purchase for someone like me. - RealHyperX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Didn't apple sell more apple computers this last quarter than any quarter in history of apple? So what's the big deal. Plus, macnn.com has a photoshop benchmark contest where you can apply a certain filter and post results. I am running at 14 seconds in cs2, where most, even in g5s were running in 30 seconds plus. I think cs2 works great. Yeah I have a mac p pro 3 gig with 11 gigs of ram. I just switched from XP to Mac because I just could not take how certain apps would work one day and not the next. Mac seems a lot more solid.
- darkyoshi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Yes, "why was digg down" indeed.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3That was a pretty silly move given that CS2 on a MacPro runs at the same speed as most Powermac G5s. In the meantime you lost out on other programs like Aperture.
- pleribus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1high piracy = Expensive software... it's a vicious circle.
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6The problem I think is really the price point.
At the moment, the people that need the creative suite the most are either the ones that have just come out of design school and are in the middle of paying off debt (or yet to begin), or creative professionals who have both the speedy workflow and thus the income to make back the price of the software relatively quickly.
It seems like unless they do a big re-organising of their pricing structure Adobe is simply going to have a repeat of the piracy boom seen with PS 7 and up, because students simply can't afford this package at the current price.
Think of the children Adobe!
Interesting article though. Thanks koregaonpark.
Jimzip :D - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Exactly. Very unfortunate for apple users. Makes buying a mactel a total waste of money for designers.Can't believe the hordes of apple faithful who choose not to see this fact.
- wisie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Expensive software = high piracy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Do you really know someone who makes a living with it? I mean really? No foolin' ? Man that is way cool.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2kendall are lacking in gray matter? Or is it just that you have never run photoshop on a wintel mac? Running ps on a wintel mac in osx has the same performance as ps on a g4 mini. What flaming idiot would buy a macpro to run ps in rosetta? That is beyond stupid. Do you even know how much a mac pro costs? And I couldn't care less about aperture. It is a buggy pos anyway.
- Try2ImagineThis, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@EntropyFan - you're right about poor Rosetta performance, but Exposé in OSX makes up for all window juggling in XP. Just to navigate all the windows around to work between the programs in Creative Suite is a crazy frustration in XP! Who cares if it's a little slow to load up in OSX? At least productivity is up once it's opened!
- zambuka, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1The reason why CS3 will help with Mac sales is quite simple. CS3 contains more than just a few nifty updates, it contains the new version of Dreamweaver (replacing GoLive) plus tight integration, in the form of smart objects, with other products like Flash and Director. Dreamweaver will be the biggest drawcard for the new version of CS3.
Buying a new Intel Mac also gives you a best of both worlds scenario. The interface that many designers learned their trade on and the ability to run windows, either directly or via virtualisation, at reasonable speeds for testing and cross platform development. It saves space and future resources by reducing the number of machines you need to buy and maintain, albeit at a slightly higher initial cost than if you purchased a single Windows machine.
Another possible factor is the upcoming introduction of Vista in the next year. This wil help Apple sell computers as much asa anything else. XP has been out long enough now that its registration and activation, not to mention constantly publicised security issues, has put a few more people off the idea of further MS upgrades. I think next year will be a very very good year for Apple and the Mac line of products. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4This cs3 debacle is what caused me to jump ship from os10 to xp. I switched to a windows box after running bootcamp on an imac for half a year. I was forced into using windows to run cs2 and oddly enough, I found out xp runs photoshop better than any of my powermac hardware ever did. So I sold the imac and macbook on ebay and bought some pc hardware that was cheaper and faster. It was a boneheaded move for apple to release their new hardware without viable cs2 support. It messed with alot of designers who were traditionally apples bread and butter.
- Tentei, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Dear god i'd hope it would drive sales. Considering everyone that i know owns a mac all they use it for is graphics =P
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+3forget this crap. why was digg down? are there any enhancements?
- thebiscuit, on 10/12/2007, -29/+10I wonder how many out of the total mac market would actually buy CS3.....most people have no need for such software or use a pirate copy.
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