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- OS2Guy, on 10/26/2007, -18/+92I wish people would quit reporting this erroneous figure. AT&T is actually paying Apple $11 per customer per month. Not $18. Apple has admitted this to their shareholders.
- inactive, on 10/26/2007, -3/+50That's still a lot of money.
- frequencydip, on 10/26/2007, -2/+42Want to point to the source, where Apple disclosed this figure, other wise your speculating just as Piper Jaffray is...
- euro22, on 12/17/2008, -2/+41- "Do you know how fast you were going?"
- "65?"
- "63." - colincornaby, on 10/26/2007, -3/+38You bought an Edge phone, and it operates at Edge speeds? Really?
- PathDaemon, on 10/26/2007, -4/+32Either way, if anyone was wondering why Apple is fighting unlocks so hard...
- thosemoose, on 04/17/2008, -0/+22nope it'd have to be a new phone. It's hardware related changes to go from edge to 3g
- Bridea, on 10/26/2007, -4/+23You bought it, knowing that it didn't have 3G capabilities, and now you complain that it doesn't have 3G? Sad...
- FlyCO, on 10/26/2007, -0/+15No wonder why it's hard to launch the iPhone worldwide
Apples business model is totally different than most cellphone companies - wjackson, on 10/26/2007, -5/+20iPwn.
- inactive, on 10/26/2007, -1/+15$264 x 1,000,000 = a lot of money.
- onceler, on 10/26/2007, -0/+14They would need a new phone as it would need a different chipset that supports 3G.
- Chewie67, on 10/26/2007, -0/+14I'm looking at your math from another angle.
$264 x 1,100,000 iPhones sold to date = $290,400,000 in Apple's pocket over the next two years...if no more iPhones are sold.
If Apple sells the 45 million phones that some analysts are projecting, that's 11.8 BILLION dollars of income, above and beyond what they might make on the sale of the hardware itself...
HUGE numbers. - xYike, on 10/26/2007, -3/+163G requires a lot more battery power, you think the battery is bad now? Add 1/3rd of an inch of thickness and a few more ounces for a battery and you're almost back to a video iPod size if you want 3G.
- airiox, on 10/26/2007, -10/+21$11 x 24 = $264
Were you willing to pay an extra $250 to unlock your iPhone legally is the question? AT&T may be hated by iPhone fans, but fact of the matter is these things would be a whole lot more expensive than they are now if it weren't for the contract between the two companies. - CraigJ, on 10/26/2007, -1/+9Actually, I listened to the entire call with Oppenheimer on Monday, and what he said in response to questions about specifics about the AT&T contract was "we're not going to discuss specifics of the contract"
- nallelcm, on 10/26/2007, -1/+10This is fun, lets split some more hairs
- jmreid, on 10/26/2007, -3/+11I find EDGE useful, for the most part. But then again, I'm not fooling myself into thinking it will be near as fast as WiFi. I think we're all a little spoiled.
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7I have yet to see any evidence that Apple is fighting unlocking.
To the best of my understanding, the unlocking procedures relied on security flaws with the iPhone. As a consumer, it is my opinion that Apple not only has a right, but an obligation, to patch all security flaws in their product in a timely fashion.
This is what they did. The fact that it inconvenienced some people who had altered the product to use it for an unintended purpose is hardly Apple's fault.
(And let's not forget that the people who were inconvenienced were complete ***** morons in the first place. They had full knowledge that they had modified the phone, the update procedure included clear warnings that applying the update may cause problems with modified phones, and they still clicked on the "Yes" button. ***** 'em. Those people need to shut the ***** up and quit their whining.) - turpenine, on 10/26/2007, -1/+8remember when it was $600 and people waited in line for them?
yeah, me neither. - CraigJ, on 10/26/2007, -1/+8Yeah, $264,000,000 (11x24x1,000,000) is a lot of money, but not nearly as much as the minimum iPhone contract to AT&T: $70-11=59*24=1416*1,000,000=$1,416,000,000. And that's the minimum contract with no extras, etc. I hope Apple is getting 18, not 11...
- LuCiFer6, on 10/26/2007, -5/+12Now I see why Verizon turned down the Almighty Jobs.
- ronin691, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6( Assuming the spectrum auction goes well ) ...the iPhone is a cool phone, but I am waiting for the mythical "gPhone", thank you very much.
- sincewednesday, on 10/26/2007, -6/+11Not really. $11 x 24 = $264. Have you wondered how amazon,wirefly, or the local cell shop can offer $250 "rebates" after 6 months? Authorized wireless dealers can get $300 for signing up new customers. And, curiously enough, iPhone is only available at AT&T and Apple, not at authorized wireless dealers. So essentially, Apple is acting as the authorized wireless dealer, and getting a commission. (Yes, Apple is getting a slightly better deal since they presumably get commission on iPhones sold at AT&T corporate stores.)
- Quix, on 10/26/2007, -3/+8Yes, because bringing on a horde of new subscribers by giving Apple an $11 cut was *obviously* a brainless move.
LuCiFer6 & Verizon = not smart at business. - SteveMax, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5Actually, it's $11 per customer, per month; or $264 per customer over the 24 months of an individual contract.
- spargett, on 10/26/2007, -1/+6"...the longer you wait, the more you will get for your money when the next model comes out."
Thats a very dangerous game to play. With that frame of mind you can easily wind up never buying anything! - ronmojohny, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5No wonder Apple fights so hard to keep the iPhone from working on other networks.. $18 per month!!
- reallydigginit, on 10/26/2007, -2/+7Seriously dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. Where do you get your "Apple has admitted" $11 figure from? Certainly not Apple.
- omari1914, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4Frankly speaking, I believe Verizon is the one missing out here. I was a T-Mobile customer. A very happy T-Mobile customer for that matter. Prior to the iPhone, I had no intentions of leaving. However, by me leaving T-Mobile, AT&T gained approx. $85-$124 per month(my bills so far) they would not have had. Paying Apple $11 or $18 per month is warranted all things considered. After all, Apple is the reason I'm an AT&T customer anyway.
- capecodcarl, on 10/26/2007, -3/+7Well, with every other major phone on the planet you can just swap out the battery with a spare.
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4If it dies in less than twelve months, I have complete confidence it won't cost me a penny. Warranties are cool.
- cwgannon, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6Candybars.
- turpenine, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6it's the same edge dude.
- Firehed, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5I'm glad they did - I was thrilled to find out that they weren't going to be the exclusive carrier. Verizon was absolutely awful when I was using them. Just writing this post would have cost me about 45 cents at text message rates on their plans, which is insane. They're just too damn greedy. If the deal had been with them, the monthly plans would cost twice as much with half the features, and they'd charge you five bucks a month to use each of the included apps (ten to sync with iTunes).
So I'm glad it's their loss. And just to rub it in, when I visit Vermont with my iPhone, I get to use their towers and get their crappy signal at no monthly cost to me. How sadly satisfying. - melophobia07, on 10/26/2007, -8/+123g chipsets are not efficient whatsoever and consume too much battery life. It is a worth the sacrifice
- mikealive, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5look at the Nokia n95 first. it has 3g for att, and you can find deals online for around 625. does everything the iphone can do, plus tons more
google: Nokia n95-3 - LuCiFer6, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6Quix,
Don't get me wrong I thought it was huge mistake for Verizon to turn down a partnership with Apple. Just about everything Apple touches turns to gold. But knowing Verizon's greed I see why they turn down Job's offer. - geekee, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6Where does that money come from? Oh yeah, that cell phone bill you pay every month. You know, the one you bitch about why it's so expensive.
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4EDGE is, indeed useful. Not only that, it's available pretty much nationwide.
I currently use a Blackjack (3G capable, but no 3G available in my area). The simple fact is that EDGE is not only fast enough, but it's TOO fast for the phone. It still feeds data in faster than Pocket Internet Explorer can render it on this piece of *****. Google Maps data loads and displays in a perfectly usable fashion, though.
The cool part is, that by purchasing an iPhone, I could get the "iPhone plan", which costs about $20 per month less than what I currently pay for equivalent service. Over the course of a 2 year contract, that savings would not only pay for the phone, but put an additional $80 in my pocket.
The only people bitching about the data plan are people who don't already have a data plan. (And let's not even get started on what Verizon charges for data.....) - subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3Nope, not unusable at all. It works fine. Perhaps your expectations were set a bit high? Or you're not using the right platform?
I've used a Treo on both Verizon and Sprint at 2G speeds, and a Blackjack on AT&T at 2G speeds, and have found everything just fine. My only complaint was that when I switched to a Windows Mobile platform, Pocket IE was pathetically slow at rendering pages.
On any of those phones, and any of those providers, though, I was able to tether the phone to a laptop and browse the web with a REAL browser, and while it was slower than my 10 mbit cable modem, there was nothing "unusable" about the network speed.
Too many people are blaming things on the network speed, and not taking into account the fact that manufacturers are building phones with the slowest possible technology. Slow processors, slow memory, and poorly designed browsers..... - qetuo, on 10/26/2007, -9/+12if apple brings out an 'edge' phone in europe it will fail, i have had a basic 3g for over four years on three. I dont understand why they didnt put in 3g
- pseudononymist, on 10/28/2007, -0/+3by chance did you not get the joke?
- colincornaby, on 10/26/2007, -1/+4Replied to wrong post...
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3EDGE is, indeed useful. Not only that, it's available pretty much nationwide.
I currently use a Blackjack (3G capable, but no 3G available in my area). The simple fact is that EDGE is not only fast enough, but it's TOO fast for the phone. It still feeds data in faster than Pocket Internet Explorer can render it on this piece of *****. Google Maps data loads and displays in a perfectly usable fashion, though.
The cool part is, that by purchasing an iPhone, I could get the "iPhone plan", which costs about $20 per month less than what I currently pay for equivalent service. Over the course of a 2 year contract, that savings would not only pay for the phone, but put an additional $80 in my pocket.
The only people bitching about the data plan are people who don't already have a data plan. (And let's not even get started on what Verizon charges for data.....) - Firehed, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3I don't think battery is bad now. It's comparable to if not better than most other smartphones when using smartphone features. It gets more than enough standby time. Music-playing battery life is also fine. Almost everyone with a smartphone charges every night, and the iPhone is no different. Chances are that if you miss a night, you'll be fine, unless you're a really heavy user - which is generally not the case for other devices classed similarly.
Comparing it directly to either a dumb phone or an iPod is apples and oranges, even though it gets just as good or better battery life playing video as any other iPod does. Free-with-contract phones aren't being used constantly for email or other stuff that pings the internet continually, not to mention have a uselessly small screen even if you were to try. - Flummoxer, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3You came across as a moron, just so you know.
- gwhardyiv, on 10/26/2007, -3/+6Do it. You know you want one.
- ubergeek09, on 10/26/2007, -4/+7Well, the iPhone can't copy and paste, you will be stuck with the stupidly slow Edge network, and even if you weren't,, the iPhone doesn't even support 3G. When your battery eventually can't hold a charge anymore you have to send it to Apple to get a new one put in. The battery life is bad. There is no way to get more storage space on the iPhone unless you wish to buy a new iPhone, so your stuck with the amount of storage you have when you get the phone.. Just don't get one.
- Firehed, on 10/26/2007, -2/+5Nope, go for it - you won't regret it. Demo one first, of course, but I love mine. And expect it to get even better after the SDK comes out.
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