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AT&T CEO outs 3G iPhone: "You'll have it next year"
engadget.com — Of course the 3G iPhone is coming, that's clearly in the evolution plan. As Jobs said himself, it's only a matter of time until improved batteries allow for it. Still, when AT&T's CEO Randall Stephenson says, "You'll have it next year,"
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- DipDog3, on 11/29/2007, -16/+58Yea, I'm not falling for that $599 for two months trick. I'll just stick with my Virtual iPhone http://vphone.red-rome.com until the price of the 16GB 3G iPhone drop to $399.
- GoatMonkey2112, on 11/29/2007, -12/+15I have a feeling that we're not going to see very many people lined up overnight to buy the next one on the first day.
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -9/+49You have lousy intuition.
- GoatMonkey2112, on 11/29/2007, -3/+6Oh, I'm sure there will be some. But the number of die hard Apple fans willing to spend extra money to be first will be much lower the second time around, especially considering the way price cuts went the first time. They're not doing that $100 store credit thing again. Not to mention that they will have to break their 2 year contracts to get it which will cost even more.
- stripes, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3Normally if you are with cell company X with a in-contract phone you can buy a new phone and extend the length of the contract (or sometimes add the new contract length). I did it to get my iPhone in the first place, and I have done it with some prior phones. I don't know if there is a formal policy, but I have never run into problems doing it.
- GoatMonkey2112, on 11/29/2007, -3/+6Oh, I'm sure there will be some. But the number of die hard Apple fans willing to spend extra money to be first will be much lower the second time around, especially considering the way price cuts went the first time. They're not doing that $100 store credit thing again. Not to mention that they will have to break their 2 year contracts to get it which will cost even more.
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -9/+49You have lousy intuition.
- BabyGotMac, on 11/29/2007, -13/+5That's the most pointless thing ever.
- TechCF, on 11/29/2007, -9/+5The first iPhone works so great, I do not see the need to upgrade right away.
But that said. 3G / HSDPA is damn nice when using Google Maps, Terminal Services and Internet Surfing.- rpgmaker, on 11/29/2007, -2/+8You've just contradicted yourself...
- MikeCerm, on 11/29/2007, -0/+7I really doubt they'll raise the price. Technology is supposed to get cheaper over time, not more expensive. If anything, they'll add 3G and double the storage, and keep the price the same. Have you noticed that the MacBook Pro's price never changes? They increase the specs every year, but the price remains the same.
- cbreaker, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Well, existing tech gets cheaper, not new tech. New tech gets more expensive: See: iPhone, PS3/XBox360, Video cards... the list is endless.
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1i think you miss their point though, the iPhone now exists.... they may keep trying to reduce the price, but they may also release some amped up iPhone at the current price.
their point out how the Powerbook/MacBook Pro entry price is always about the same. the iBook/MacBook has always been about the same price.
there are some obvious fluctuations, but once the iPod family was established (for example) they would always have iPods at the same price points, and as upgrades came they just shifted what you got for the same price.
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1i think you miss their point though, the iPhone now exists.... they may keep trying to reduce the price, but they may also release some amped up iPhone at the current price.
- cbreaker, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Well, existing tech gets cheaper, not new tech. New tech gets more expensive: See: iPhone, PS3/XBox360, Video cards... the list is endless.
- toetagger, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2ALL of the iPhones will be both 3G and EDGE, and it'll just connect using the system that is available. It will not cost more, no way. It'll be the same price as today but with more storage (naturally). Engadget was FUDing by suggesting alternate pricing.
- dukeochutney, on 11/29/2007, -6/+2does anyone really give a *****?
- nytejade, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3Considering how well the iPhone sold, I'd say yes. Anti-Appleism is just as annoying as the fanboyism.
- Falldog, on 11/29/2007, -1/+8Is the Virtual iPhone supposed to not work?
- tc2004txst, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3I know what you mean. It seems like the only point of it is for the advertisement of other sites. Nice plug of a crappy site that serves no purpose. Complete waste of time. Now let me put my iMac in my pocket, and just leave the browser open to the "vPhone" and it will be just the same.
- DMCer, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1bjn
- GoatMonkey2112, on 11/29/2007, -12/+15I have a feeling that we're not going to see very many people lined up overnight to buy the next one on the first day.
- ridd1e, on 11/29/2007, -17/+77Since when AT&T ceo is authorized to disclose info about Apple's (or in other words - Job's) device? I smell BS.
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -3/+14He's not really, but he would have the information. People aren't authorised to do a lot of things but they do.
- Drizzit, on 11/29/2007, -1/+34It was pretty stupid of him either way. Jobs in the past has pulled deals with those who leak info about their devices. Apple is much a media machine as it is a computer maker.
- Nossie, on 11/29/2007, -2/+6yeah look what happened to Sun and ZFS.... its coming, but after Suns CEO spouted about it they seem to have removed most support. Its happened 2 or 3 times before that too although I cant remember the specifics... maybe the asus rumour of a tablet has just shot them in the foot too?
Bottom line is, if you step in front of King Jobs, he will burn you to the ground no matter the cost.
all hail king jobs, all hail king jobs.. we are not worthy .. etc etc.- kingfoot, on 11/29/2007, -2/+3wait... so does this mean steve might pull away (im SURE this is a loophole in the contract) and we could have support by apple for the iphone to be unlocked!?!?!?
sooner i might add- Speed, on 11/29/2007, -7/+2More likely is he'll just get it locked to Verizon or something instead.
- simd, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1No. Steve is getting huge amounts of money from AT&T - he (or his investors) are hardly likely to give that up easily.
- Nossie, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2Apple makes $18 a month from the 2 year contract... Personally I don't think they are thinking about the consumer, AT&T are THEIR customers.
- schoate09, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Too bad it was Apple's users, and Apple themselves (loss of market share in corporate environment?), that suffered from the removal of ZFS, not sun.
- superal1394, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4I think pulling ZFS was a technical issue, not a business issue
- eastmanweb, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1superal1394 is correct. An OS can't (currently) boot from a ZFS drive. This is why Time Machine MUST be implemented with an external drive (because this external drive uses ZFS.) Since ZFS isn't on the internal drive yet, Apple isn't going to promote it yet.
- kingfoot, on 11/29/2007, -2/+3wait... so does this mean steve might pull away (im SURE this is a loophole in the contract) and we could have support by apple for the iphone to be unlocked!?!?!?
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1this is not the same kind of partnership though. Apple can't just dump AT&T overnight. It's quite possible the contract has some clauses about AT&T leaking info, but who knows what the penalty is..... probably not a self-destructing contract.
1) i phone owners have a service contract with AT&T, not Apple. if Apple walks away, AT&T still has all those customers.
2) T-Mobile is the only other sizable GSM network in the USA, but it would still take time for them to tweak the network to work with things like visual voicemail. A CDMA phone (verizon/sprint) would mean a whole new phone with FCC testing starting from scratch.
3) i'm pretty sure the rest of the world is in favor of GSM, right? i'm not sure why with its unacceptable level of interference on other audio devices. i've even heard it bleed through my TV and i don't have a GSM phone. i really think it comes from the cable company or TV station. i've had people lay a backpack on top of a brand new shielded mic cable and that GSM noise bleeds right though. it's amazing how much that GSM technology sucks.
anyway......
there was a case a few years back with nvidia or ATI where somebody from one of those companies leaked their new flagship card would be in the new PowerMac coming out the next day (something like that) and *supposedly* SJ was so ***** he had the crew swap out the cards with the top offering from the competitor (an already existing card). the story i am thinking of is, i think, from a MacWorld and the days of G4 PowerMac towers..... so it goes back a few years.
- Nossie, on 11/29/2007, -2/+6yeah look what happened to Sun and ZFS.... its coming, but after Suns CEO spouted about it they seem to have removed most support. Its happened 2 or 3 times before that too although I cant remember the specifics... maybe the asus rumour of a tablet has just shot them in the foot too?
- aaronhoffmeyer, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2I smell someone who is using English as a Second Language ... poorly.
- ridd1e, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Well… sorry, I'm not native speaker.
- avions, on 11/29/2007, -12/+4Didn't see that one coming.
/s- jamief00, on 11/29/2007, -10/+7Sarcasm is only sarcasm when you DONT ATTEMPT TO POINT OUT ITS USE.
- championchap, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2You try that on the internet and see how far you get.
- jamief00, on 11/30/2007, -0/+0If you are so ***** stupid that you can't detect sarcasm through any method OTHER than someone's tone or facial expressions then you sir, are an idiot.
- championchap, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2You try that on the internet and see how far you get.
- jamief00, on 11/29/2007, -10/+7Sarcasm is only sarcasm when you DONT ATTEMPT TO POINT OUT ITS USE.
- philipkaplan, on 11/29/2007, -51/+15Congratulations, Apple. You've finally caught up with (Nokia - 4yrs) + (smarmy gen-y attitude ^ homosexual undertones).
- nytejade, on 11/29/2007, -0/+13G 4 years ago would have been useless. The US is still pretty uncovered in terms of 3G support. Hopefully by next year it will be better.
- Flamekebab, on 11/29/2007, -11/+46I'm not overly interested in 3G. I've had a 3G phone for ages and found that compared to non-3G phones the battery life was laughable.
- philipkaplan, on 11/29/2007, -7/+20Low battery life might not be directly related to 3G, but rather a genuinely more demanding chipset on the whole. 3G kind of implies a web browser and kind of implies more multimedia rich applications, for which a meatier processor is needed.
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -5/+5The iPhone has all those things though and also has excellent battery life.
- superal1394, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2That it does not have. My 5 year old LG VX6600 phone on Verizon can still go three days without a charge. And thats with me texting and talking like a beast. I talk at least a half hour a day, and send/recieve 40 to 50 texts.
My new one which is unfortunately broken (but getting an insurance replacement!) would go the week with similar use.- tc2004txst, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1I didn't hear anyone ask for a life story of your cell phone.
- superal1394, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2That it does not have. My 5 year old LG VX6600 phone on Verizon can still go three days without a charge. And thats with me texting and talking like a beast. I talk at least a half hour a day, and send/recieve 40 to 50 texts.
- fjc8, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1That's one contributor. Early 3G chipsets weren't as efficient; phones are smaller and smaller, meaning batteries need to be smaller and denser.
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -5/+5The iPhone has all those things though and also has excellent battery life.
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -14/+22Sorry, I'm not BUYING a "web phone" that hasn't got 3G on it. It's like getting a sports car and putting peddles on it. "But you can use WIFI"... yeah, if you're at home or in a cosmopolitan area that has open wifi. Around here, the only place I could use a WIFI phone is at home, which kind of defeats the object. 3G or forget it.
- Lolerdong, on 11/29/2007, -16/+9move off the farm cowboy
- cgruber, on 11/29/2007, -2/+26So you have no Wifi spots but you do have 3G coverage? Last I checked 3G IS only in the major city areas.
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -3/+11Most of the UK has 3G coverage, apart from the truely middle of nowhere areas.
- tnoy, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1The public WiFi spots around here are very spotty, yet there is 3G coverage pretty much everywhere. In the few holes, there is EDGE access.
WiFi is perfect when I'm at home or at work, but pretty much useless otherwise.
- TechCF, on 11/29/2007, -0/+18Often you can turn on and off 3G or HSPDA support on demand.
- alperea, on 11/29/2007, -3/+2So we should be laughing at Japan? I think it's the other way around :-/
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -1/+6But then the reality is you almost never have it on, in order to conserve battery life... making the device that much more frustrating to use.
I don't turn off WiFi on the iPhone and battery life is still good. So without thinking I have the best network possible for the situation.- superal1394, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1I would think the phone would be smart enough to activate and deactivate the 3g chip as nessecary, only enabling it when data is called for.
- halik, on 11/29/2007, -5/+1Why is this modded up? Thats about the most idiotic statement you can make - you have a great device that requires a LOT of bandwidth to be usefull (html + css + images, you tube etc) and you're somehow apologizing for the deficency of the current model? WTF, step out of the reality distortion field, will you
- mrsteve007, on 11/29/2007, -1/+3I have the 8525 from ATT. It's a 3G phone, and from what I've read, the battery life is nearly identical to the iPhone. Being able to stream data at real-world speeds of 800k down, 300k up is extremely nice, especially when tethered to a laptop. Most all of the places I travel have 3G too (Seattle, LA, Orlando) - only when I'm 100 miles outside of a major metropolitan area, do I drop down to EDGE speeds.
- bradspry, on 11/29/2007, -0/+5All battery life is laughable. Damn you Westinghouse for pulling Nikola Tesla's wireless power funding!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_energy_trans ... - GoatMonkey2112, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2I gotta agree with you. I have a Helio Ocean. That battery lasts a pretty long time, until I access anything on the internet. Then it's nearly sucked dry in a little over an hour.
- toetagger, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3Two things have happened since your experience; Broadcom has developed a new 3G chip that uses less energy and batteries have improved.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=htt ... - plokij909, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Um - Apple's 3G battery ***** is just that. Most of the world has moved on from 3G... EU, Asia and even Australia (where I'm from) are now stepping up to better, faster tech. America has always been 3 years behind, and Steve isn't helping things.
- philipkaplan, on 11/29/2007, -7/+20Low battery life might not be directly related to 3G, but rather a genuinely more demanding chipset on the whole. 3G kind of implies a web browser and kind of implies more multimedia rich applications, for which a meatier processor is needed.
- bubba9999, on 11/29/2007, -15/+7Don't say "Outs" or "Outed" when Trent Lott's on the loose.
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -17/+5about time. Maybe if Apple release this 3G iPhone and slash the price in the UK, it won't bomb. It may even become a Nokia-worrier. Which it isn't at the moment. And this is legit, since the 3G network that the phone will run on is nothing to do with Apple
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -2/+12Where have you been? The iPhone isn't bombing.
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -8/+5show me a graph of N95 owners vs iPhone owners. What are we talking, 80/20?
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -0/+8What does the N95 have to do with the iPhone? The iPhone is selling very bloody well for Apple so it is not a flop. You also need to learn the impact of a world-wide launch, and a headstart.
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -4/+2I'm not talking about worldwide. I'm talking the UK. The N95 only came out a month or two before the iPhone, and is the nearest consumer device, which is why I'm comparing them. Granted, the iPhone is a) locked to one operator and b) bloody expensive, but still... We're talking about Apple trying to penetrate an already established (and oversaturated) market. Which is why I said I'd like to see sales figures. Like for like.
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -8/+5show me a graph of N95 owners vs iPhone owners. What are we talking, 80/20?
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -5/+2Agreed, yet you're dugg down for speaking the truth. iPhone in the UK hasn't really worked out, its too expensive and too slow.
- annonimality, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1"iPhone in the UK hasn't really worked out" - where are your sources? I've looked around trying to find some data on iPhone sales in Europe, and it seems to be doing well:
http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/11/european-ip ...
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/11/ ...
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27298.php
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -2/+12Where have you been? The iPhone isn't bombing.
- JenadaeXX, on 11/29/2007, -8/+3"Still, when AT&T's CEO Randall Stephenson says, "You'll have it next year,""....yeesss?
- lochness, on 11/29/2007, -24/+9I'm puzzled why Apple has to wait "for better batteries" to make it's phone 3G. Maybe they should get some better engineers. Everyone else seems to have managed to produce 3G phones with existing technology. Perhaps if the just made it a little bit thicker.... problem solved.. But wait... then it wouldn't be "cool"
- imnojezus, on 11/29/2007, -5/+143G phones are notorious for bad battery life no matter who engineers them. When Apple markets a device that is intended to replace a phone and an iPod, they probably think their customers won't be happy if they have to charge the damn thing every three hours. So they stem the complaints by waiting for technology to catch up rather than putting out a half-assed jerry-rig in the hopes of making a buck.
- fjc8, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Technology is a moving target. It used to be that all phones had fairly low battery life. Then technology improved. More efficient chipsets arrived on the market, bringing along less power draw and often better reception. Better batteries arrived as well.
for an example, see Sony Ericsson's recent GSM phones. Four years ago I had a Sony Ericsson GSM phone introduced in 2002; there were a few times where I actually reached the estimated talk time of 7.5 hours. But could I have done that with a GSM phone a few years before that? Not without having a significantly larger battery.
- fjc8, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Technology is a moving target. It used to be that all phones had fairly low battery life. Then technology improved. More efficient chipsets arrived on the market, bringing along less power draw and often better reception. Better batteries arrived as well.
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -1/+10Everyone else has managed 3g phones with crap battery life. What's the point of doing it if drags your product down?
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -1/+4Am I the only person with a somewhat modern 3G capable phone? mine is always in 3G mode and seems to get 2-3 days of battery life with normal use... i'm not sure battery life is an issue at all these days, every new phone released is 3G capable which leads me to think its not.
- blesbok, on 11/29/2007, -0/+0I have an 8925, which has 3g, gps, and push email and I still manage to get at least two full days out of normal use and at least 24 hours if I am using it very, very heavily.
- imnojezus, on 11/29/2007, -5/+143G phones are notorious for bad battery life no matter who engineers them. When Apple markets a device that is intended to replace a phone and an iPod, they probably think their customers won't be happy if they have to charge the damn thing every three hours. So they stem the complaints by waiting for technology to catch up rather than putting out a half-assed jerry-rig in the hopes of making a buck.
- mega22, on 11/29/2007, -6/+0good money ))
- Lolerdong, on 11/29/2007, -35/+12This is my iphone.
There are many like it, but this one is MINE.
My iphone is my best friend. It is my life.
I must master it as I must master my life.
My iphone without me is useless. Without my iphone, I am useless.
I must dial my iphone true.
I must blog straighter than my enemy who is trying to out blog me me.
I must pwn him with my tech knowledge him before he download ubuntu. I will...
My iphone and myself know that what counts in life is not the application we use, the noise of our ringtone, nor the programs we make.
We know it is the iphone that count. We will get iphone...
My iphone is human, even as I, because it is my life.
Thus, I will learn it as a brother.
I will learn its weaknesses, its strengths, its parts, its accessories,
its sights, and its visual voicemail. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage.
I will keep my iphone clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready.
We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God I swear this creed.
My iphone and myself are the defenders of my country.
We are the masters of our enemy.
We are the saviors of my life.
So be it, until there is no enemy, but PEACE.- mhummel, on 11/29/2007, -3/+4What's this iPhone's name, Private Lolerdong?
- Lolerdong, on 11/29/2007, -5/+11Sir this iphones name is Charlene Sir
- Jomwilli, on 11/29/2007, -3/+2Niiiiice. Sadly there is a Fanboi war, and I'm about to get shot, duck!
- mhummel, on 11/29/2007, -3/+4What's this iPhone's name, Private Lolerdong?
- vtron, on 11/29/2007, -52/+105Jobs is a lying tool. Batteries haven't changed in the past year. The top manufacturers are getting maybe 5 to 10% more capacity if they're lucky. Jobs didn't release a 3G iphone initially because he knew everyone would eat it up. Then a year later he releases a 3G iphone and everyone ditches they're old one and gets the new 3G.
It's amazing someone can be that much of a dick to his customers and they still treat him like a god.- Lolerdong, on 11/29/2007, -25/+16I don't think it's his problem that his consumers are dim witted, socially retarded, waste of space, tech junkies who only care about getting their next gadget fix.
- shampoovta, on 11/29/2007, -11/+3I want that on a T shirt!
"Apple Fan Boy's are dim witted, socially retarded, waste of space, tech junkies who only care about getting their next gadget fix."- MiDri, on 11/29/2007, -5/+3They are no different then people who worship at the idle of Chevy or Ford.
Some people just want to be part of a group and for the low price of $599 you can become part of the apple "family".
Saying that, I own an iphone -- got it the day they came out, I really enjoy it. I do not, however; own any other apple products. - jgtg32a, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2As much as I dislike Apple I would never consider comparing them to Ford.
- MiDri, on 11/29/2007, -5/+3They are no different then people who worship at the idle of Chevy or Ford.
- shampoovta, on 11/29/2007, -11/+3I want that on a T shirt!
- osage, on 11/29/2007, -9/+12i dig that
- SaintStryfe, on 11/29/2007, -22/+5LOL Batteries don't change. Your cute. Do you get your news by press release, or do you wait for CNN and FOX to tell you what to think?
Yes, Battery improvements happen alllll the time. It's how iPods using the same battery technologies now have smaller batteries using the same technologies, but now last longer.
Sorry if it's not a front page story in USA Today, but improvements likely happened that you were too dull to keep up on.- vtron, on 11/29/2007, -2/+24The reason iPods have longer battery life is because Apple has improved their power saving. They are using less current to power the device. Batteries haven't made any leap since Li-Ion and Li-Poly came out. I work with this all the time. If there were new super batteries, I'd know about it. The fact is, over the past two years THE top Li-Ion manufacturer was able to squeeze 400mAh out of the 4400mAh battery we use. I know, I had a meeting with them two weeks ago.
Batteries haven't changed drastically in a log time. YOU'RE cute.
- vtron, on 11/29/2007, -2/+24The reason iPods have longer battery life is because Apple has improved their power saving. They are using less current to power the device. Batteries haven't made any leap since Li-Ion and Li-Poly came out. I work with this all the time. If there were new super batteries, I'd know about it. The fact is, over the past two years THE top Li-Ion manufacturer was able to squeeze 400mAh out of the 4400mAh battery we use. I know, I had a meeting with them two weeks ago.
- noahhoward, on 11/29/2007, -11/+47Batteries aren't the only contributor to battery life, thanks for playing, better luck next time.
- Jomwilli, on 11/29/2007, -8/+2Hey battery life is tough, his mom is still on the rock dad left a long time ago. The trailer park is the only place battery can afford.
- halik, on 11/29/2007, -6/+3Yeah but if the only thing that changes is the cell chipset it's a bunch of *****... 3g phones have been out for years now and there have been no amazing discoveries in the battery sector. It's all corporate strategy to increase EPS.
- fjc8, on 11/30/2007, -0/+2Chipset design improvements has led to better battery life and better reception in general; compare old GSM phones to newer ones.
- jabberwolf, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Chipsets do save some battery power but maybe about 5 - 10 minutes, if you had a clue you wouldnt be such a mactard, thanks for playing ;-)
But then if you DO want to know about something in this reality, if they put in some of A123's phosphate lithium battery technology and controlled the heat, it just might work.
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -12/+5he didn't release the 3G iPhone simply because America doesn't use it. It wasn't until Europe kicked up a fuss that he sent his techies back to the drawing board.
- Jomwilli, on 11/29/2007, -5/+8Where do you get this stuff from? I mean really, do you actually believe this?
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -6/+3Its the truth! there isn't a huge demand for a 3g iphone in the US because the coverage isn't what it is in Europe and Asia - EDGE was a safer option for North America, and being a North American company Apple probably underestimated the need for 3G in regions where its widespread.
- halik, on 11/29/2007, -2/+4sorry but that's just dumb, 3g phone have been out in the US for like 3 years now. Both over GSM and CDMA.
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3I've seen the coverage maps, its not nearly widespread enough.
EDGE was clearly used because of its widespread availability in the states, 3G hasn't been rolled out on the same scale as it has elsewhere.
- fjc8, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1You can make a device with 3G without actually having a network.
- Jomwilli, on 11/29/2007, -5/+8Where do you get this stuff from? I mean really, do you actually believe this?
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -5/+32Except Jobs didn't say batteries would improve - he said 3G chipsets would improve to consume less power, and at that point Apple would adopt a 3G chipset.
You Apple haters will lie about anything just to get a dig at Apple. - mikhon, on 11/29/2007, -1/+7yea man, it's not the battery capacity problem, it's the power consumption problem
- toetagger, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2Better batteries aren't the only way to deal with 3G, new 3G chips are. Besides, suppliers could be promising better batteries by 2008...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=htt ... - pauldoja, on 11/29/2007, -1/+0no new li-ion battery generations?! no significant improvements?!
do a search for these two:
http://www.a123systems.com/
http://www.altairnano.com/
there are more. these are the next gen li-ion batteries with far, far better performance then the current generation. - SRSco, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1their* old phones
- Lolerdong, on 11/29/2007, -25/+16I don't think it's his problem that his consumers are dim witted, socially retarded, waste of space, tech junkies who only care about getting their next gadget fix.
- uppedbyhiggins, on 11/29/2007, -8/+42Are you guys downloading god damn torrents with your iPhones?
I used an iPhone with EDGE the other day and it was alright...not amazing, but not worth kicking and screaming over. Whatever, they're neat.- Durrok, on 11/29/2007, -5/+3But I want my website /now/....
- halik, on 11/29/2007, -4/+6Cnn.com takes about a minute to load... sorry but that's not ok. Even dumb browsers take forever over edge compared to 3g (I've had both a blackberry and EVDO treo)... it's just too slow for what iphone needs.
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -2/+3It is OK, if you are somewhere just looking to casually browse. And most pages are far faster than CNN to load, that's a worst case example.
- skidooer, on 11/29/2007, -0/+5It took me about 40 seconds to load cnn.com over WiFi. 3G isn't going to help you a whole lot with that site.
- lordsandwich, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Not to mention that 3G will add a lot to the data plan--for 20 bucks, EDGE is actually a pretty decent deal.
- fjc8, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1No. AT&T charges the same amount for data plans, no matter if the device is EDGE capable or 3G. However, they do charge more for "smartphones" or "PDAs" based on greater usage.
- digitallysick, on 11/29/2007, -8/+3One thing is for sure, they will release it sooner or later with lots of "amazing"features that we don't have now. Enough to make you want one, but consumers have learned a lesson and i doubt they will be early adopters again for the next i phone. I will not shell out 500 dollars for it, maybe when its about 200 dollars on ebay.
- jtjdt, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2Apple only lowered the price because all you guys complained it was too high. Apple listens to it's customers, see here for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8RHkcCNTOc
- Viriatus, on 11/29/2007, -10/+5rofl next year 3G is already outdated...
- aliguana, on 11/29/2007, -1/+93G may be outdated NEXT year, but edge was outdated two years ago.
- josh68684, on 11/29/2007, -4/+2Its a good thing!
I usally wait for companies to come out with a different model wich is better and improved. Im glad I waited...im so happy :)
Im now gonna be able to talk and surf the internet at the same time.- timro, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1...
why?
- timro, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1...
- samgonzales, on 11/29/2007, -5/+0this was known from the moment they announced the iphone wouldnt have 3G..with a sealed battery.. you are going to be married to a plug that thing is going to drain so quick!
- tinkafoo, on 11/29/2007, -5/+4welp, he's fired.
- SnowBladerX, on 11/29/2007, -10/+916GB is still too small for me to replace my cell phone and iPod with an iPhone, I have just about 20gigs of music now so 16gigs is way off I am sure i am not the only person that would have this problem.
- halik, on 11/29/2007, -2/+9I only have 13 gigs of music that I've collected after the past decade... stop torrenting discographies ;)
- blesbok, on 11/29/2007, -2/+1I probably had about that much before oink and those damn 100 best album torrents (one for each decade) :o
- skidooer, on 11/29/2007, -1/+7I personally don't see the need to load absolutely everything on my iPod. You're never going to listen to 20GB worth of music in any reasonable amount of time (i.e. you'll be back to your computer to sync in some fresh songs by then).
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4But when it's to change the music you have on the device, the actual size is not so limiting - I have about 50GB of music, but I don't really find 8GB that limiting.
- GoatMonkey2112, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1I think it's funny that they push it as a way to watch movies. Any movie is going to be around 500mb at minimum. Throw on your music and a couple of podcasts, and 16GB is gone fast.
- Qumahlin, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Yes, but your not supposed to be using the device as permanent storage for movies. Just like the people above are complaining because they are trying to sync their entire itunes library to the device....As one poster pointed out, you'll never listen to more then a few gigs of music at a time. Most people I know who have that much music on their ipod's or other phones/devices never listen to a 10th of it.
- haygun, on 01/04/2008, -0/+0Agreed... but it's still nice to have ALL of it at your fingertips. Trying to hone down a 20 gb music collection to 8 gb is often a very time consuming task. What "the people above" are saying (I would guess) is it is a lot easier to simply sync it all and decide what you are going to listen to on the go, instead of sitting in front of your computer trying to decide what you'll be in the mood for when your actually listening...make sense?
- Qumahlin, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Yes, but your not supposed to be using the device as permanent storage for movies. Just like the people above are complaining because they are trying to sync their entire itunes library to the device....As one poster pointed out, you'll never listen to more then a few gigs of music at a time. Most people I know who have that much music on their ipod's or other phones/devices never listen to a 10th of it.
- Disodium, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1The point is i want to be able to listen to anything i feel like at anytime. I dont want to be away from home and want to listen to Queen just to realize that it isnt synched and i'm screwed
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1and by "screwed" you mean you have to wait till you got home. a few years ago it would have been a simple "nope, don't have that CD with me". if it were not for the HDD based MP3 players (iPod, Nomad etc) then people would never have the notion of carrying around 40 gigs of music in their pocket. now people refuse to accept anything less.
in all honestly, i love having my iPod with my whole library, but *many* people i know only really listen to a few gigs of music at a time. that's why the nano sells so well. it's not a money issue, but a "why carry something so huge for 3 gigs of music when i can carry this tiny snack-sized thing?".
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1and by "screwed" you mean you have to wait till you got home. a few years ago it would have been a simple "nope, don't have that CD with me". if it were not for the HDD based MP3 players (iPod, Nomad etc) then people would never have the notion of carrying around 40 gigs of music in their pocket. now people refuse to accept anything less.
- halik, on 11/29/2007, -2/+9I only have 13 gigs of music that I've collected after the past decade... stop torrenting discographies ;)
- RADRaze2KX, on 11/29/2007, -9/+3an iPhone with 3G? I never saw THAT coming! [/sarcasm]
- aajjcckk, on 11/29/2007, -11/+9iPhone is lovely (for any fanboys out there). But, realistically, it's going to have to compete directly with Nokia's new touchscreen devices coming out mid next year. The point being that aside from the interface and the screen size (not a plus point for everyone), the current Nokia N95 or N82 for example blows the iPhone out of the water, it is vastly superior in almost every respect.
So, we need not just a 3G iPhone with slightly better software. You need GPS, better camera (5MP+), open platform, higher performance, 3D chip, TV out, full bluetooth etc etc. iPhone won't sell just because it's cool. iPod sold because the competition wasn't always good. Macs sell because the competition is *****. In mobile there is a vast array of phones that present serious competition, and much more cost conscious buyers.
I hope Apple can pull it off.- CoachZed, on 11/29/2007, -3/+4The iPhone seems to be selling pretty goddamned well "just because it's cool."
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2Worldwide sales figures are pretty poor, it was only a success in the states where network coverage and handset availability are behind the rest of the world. It's not such an impressive device elsewhere.
- blesbok, on 11/29/2007, -2/+1It isn't an impressive device here either. You can go to ATT and get a tilt, which is a much more impressive device.
- waydee, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2Worldwide sales figures are pretty poor, it was only a success in the states where network coverage and handset availability are behind the rest of the world. It's not such an impressive device elsewhere.
- MiDri, on 11/29/2007, -1/+4iPhone has tv out, you just have to buy the damn cable from apple which is $49.95. Requires firmware 1.1.1 or greater.
[source]http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300 ... - MiDri, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2Go ahead digg, butcher my links!
hhttp://tinyurl.com/22ffcw - mikhon, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1yes it will sell "just because it's cool"...
remember ipod? - jer2eydevil88, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4The iPod showed that ease of use over features is the real reason people want these devices, they are cool because they work and people can use them. I have a Blackberry 8830 for work and an iPhone for my personal use. I find that while the Blackberry is much more functional overall than an non-jailbroken iPhone I also had a steep learning curve to figure out the software on it. A perfect example is Google maps on the iPhone versus the Blackberry 8830, on the blackberry there are 5 buttons placed across the entire keypad that operate the application. These buttons are not used to perform similar functions in any other program so I had to play with the software for 15 - 20 minutes before I could even navigate with it. On the iPhone a 5 year old can operate the device if you show them how to squeeze and release with the touch screen, its just so easy that it becomes fun.
- Qumahlin, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1I'm glad you noted "on a non-jailbroken iPhone", on a jail broken device the limitations start dissappearing fast and the iPhone starts to outshine the other devices. So just wait till february when developers can develop for all iphone customers and not just those who have risked jailbreaking their phones
- nytejade, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4Exactly, people say "All the iphone has is a cool interface." It's more than that, it has a perfect interface for a mobile device. I've used many high end mobile devices in the past, and I've always been annoyed by one major factor : interface. The iphone solves that problem.
Functionality is useless if it's hard to use. See: 3G phones with Internet Explorer on Windows Mobile. Probably the most ridiculous web surfing experience I've ever had. I'd much rather use a slower internet with iPhone's browser. I still get things done faster. - johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1so you are saying that a Nokia device that is still over 6 months out looks like it will beat an Apple device that will then be over a year old. you really don't think there will be a new iPhone after a year? time will tell, but i am guessing new iPhones will be coming out once the Euro models have settled.
let's face it... the iPhone opened many new eyes to smart phones.... hopefully the whole industry will get their ***** together and race to impress the consumers with better products and better prices.
- CoachZed, on 11/29/2007, -3/+4The iPhone seems to be selling pretty goddamned well "just because it's cool."
- CaLeEDuByA, on 11/29/2007, -2/+1This guy has promised the world for Uverse and hasn't delivered anything... New codecs by the end of October anyone??? Yeah I'm not buying the 3G i-phone next year. This guy will say whatever he can to pump his stock... has anyone checked to see if he has been dumping? It wouldn't surprise me.
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Christmas iPod sales will pump the stock more than rumors about a new iPhone model being over 6 months out.
that's like me predicting the iMac will be upgraded in 2008... possibly the MacBook too!
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Christmas iPod sales will pump the stock more than rumors about a new iPhone model being over 6 months out.
- blesbok, on 11/29/2007, -2/+20It is called consumerism, people. Why should he put all the good stuff in the first version? They have learned from the ipod that they can make a little upgrade here or upgrade there and people will drop another $300 on a new one when the old one works perfectly fine, so why not do it with the iphone? They can sell the first gen to a couple million idiots who have to have the trendiest thing in town, then they can add some 3g and sell another couple million to those same idiots. Then a year later they can add some gps or something else and sell a couple more million to those same people. Jobs feeds off of the mac sackriders like they are a cash waterfall
- nytejade, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1You're contradicting yourself by saying the early adopters are idiots because they hold back features, but later in your argument when GPS and 3G has been added you're still calling those consumers idiots.
You make no sense.- blesbok, on 11/29/2007, -0/+0No, I said "those same idiots". People who wait until a product is comparable to the rest of the market before buying it are smart. People who have to have the newest, coolest thing and therefore end up buying two of them are "idiots". In all three scenarios, I am refering to the same group of idiots that wasted money on a first gen iphone just to be trendy.
- nytejade, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1You're contradicting yourself by saying the early adopters are idiots because they hold back features, but later in your argument when GPS and 3G has been added you're still calling those consumers idiots.
- mikehill33, on 11/29/2007, -9/+3Sheep will line up again to pay more FANBOI TAX. Suckers.
- soloman747, on 11/29/2007, -5/+0Jobs really expects people to wait a YEAR for these features? Especially when phones like the Verizon Voyager have touch screens AND qwerty keyboards, removable memory up to 8gb, turn-by-turn GPS, and mobile TV? For about $100 cheaper? Not to mention it's more 3rd party development friendly?
I guess you can always depend on the fanboys!?- skidooer, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3It doesn't say "a year", it says "next year". As in it could be as soon as five weeks from now, although that's unlikely.
Just like in the PC market, it's OS X that makes the iPhone interesting, not the hardware. You can put all the fancy hardware you want into a $100-less package, but it doesn't mean much unless the software is up to par.
- skidooer, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3It doesn't say "a year", it says "next year". As in it could be as soon as five weeks from now, although that's unlikely.
- EvilAnimator, on 11/29/2007, -11/+6SUCK IT HATERS!!!!
- Rooker156, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2I know exactly whats going to happen. Alot of people are gonna get them over the holidays, and come january the new one will drop. this is lame apple.
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1Except that Jobs said he expected lower power 3G chips later next year - not January! Use your brain for a second. If 3G chips were that close at hand would they have launched in the UK without them?
- superkendall, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1Except that Jobs said he expected lower power 3G chips later next year - not January! Use your brain for a second. If 3G chips were that close at hand would they have launched in the UK without them?
- Passels, on 11/29/2007, -6/+5This just in.... Microsoft is releasing an X-Phone equipped with a 56k dial up modem... suck on that fanboys. LOL
- serra, on 11/29/2007, -6/+1I need to get a free upgrade, or be able to send my iphone to apple and have them upgrade it for free. That seriously ***** me off that they didn't make it with the right things in the first place.
- dibby1, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2same it makes me Angry Grrrr
- Zarchon, on 11/29/2007, -0/+0When you buy new tech you have to expect to take it in the shorts at some point. I bought an HD-TV 4 years ago for 4 grand. It doesn't have HDMI although I was told it was going to be upgradable when a standard was decided upon. It doesn't allow for a computer connection higher than 800x600, it has no digital video in. Sure, the picture on Component looks great but I only have ONE input at 1020i and 2 at 480i (and a slew of RGB connections). Had I waited I could buy a much nicer plasma now. Am I upset? a little but I had HD for 4 years on a 64 inch screen (at 1k a year though). You have an Iphone for at least one year for only $600.
- mrgreen4242, on 11/29/2007, -0/+8If the iPhone didn't have the features you wanted why did you buy it in the first place? You knew exactly what the iPhone did and didn't do when you bought it, and you should have known that at some point there would be an "iPhone 2" that would do more than the one you bought. Don't get angry at someone else because you bought a product that didn't meet your needs.
- EricAnderton, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2Randall Stephenson says, "You'll have it next year,"
Translation: according to our sales stats, most of you are out of cash and not nearly enough of you have managed to break your iPhone, so we'll wait until Q3 milk your wallets again. - leerayIG88, on 11/29/2007, -8/+2I like phones, do you?
- seanomerta, on 11/29/2007, -5/+0I've had 3g on my Helio for over a year now...
- DigitAl56K, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Currently 3G = poorer battery life compared to other handsets. That's not what I'd be looking for in a media device. Plus, how many people buy music and video over their phone rather than simply transferring it from their PC?
- kevnaca, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1The iTunes Wifi store is a great example if you want a song that you may forget the name of later. Honestly all Apple needs to do is just put in the option to turn 3g on or off if you want to conserve battery life.
- pauldoja, on 11/29/2007, -0/+0@vtron:
no new li-ion battery generations?! no significant improvements?!
do a search for these two:
http://www.a123systems.com/
http://www.altairnano.com/
there are more. these are the next gen li-ion batteries with far, far better performance then the current generation. - pyrates, on 11/29/2007, -0/+4This coming from the same guy who wanted to end net neutrality so he can gouge websites hosting companies and allowed the nsa to put illegal wiretaps on Americans. ***** him. Bad enough the apple fan boys are excited about this because it's apple related. Anything you do to contribute to at&t's revenue is bad. If you can avoid it, do it. Don't be the sheep.
- chkdg8, on 11/29/2007, -0/+3I'll benefit more from buying Apple stock and then waiting until the supposedly new "3g 16gb" iPhone comes down in price.
- kainnation, on 11/29/2007, -1/+2Which is why I'm waiting...
- InnerBlueAbyss, on 11/29/2007, -1/+6Never trust a company founded by a fruit that marks its products as a fruit, which has a cult following of complete fruits.
- hramos, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1I can see Steve Jobs switching over to Verizon in response to this being outed prematurely by AT&T.
On stage, at the end of the keynote in MacWorld 2008, Jobs calling AT&T CEO from his Verizon 3G iPhone:
"Can you hear me now? GOOD!" - thinklocust, on 11/30/2007, -1/+0Well, there goes at&t's iphone contract!
- jabberwolf, on 11/30/2007, -2/+1You mean toggle down the Apple so it only looks for email and voicemail messages 1 time an hour rather then 4 times and hour? Exactly how is changing the chipset going to save battery power for 3G, and if so, why havent they applied it now?
3G is a TRANSMISSION standard so what would changing the chipset (aside toggling down automatic downloads) change?!
Ughh mactards!- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1as the technology matures they get more efficient. things like 5 chips will get reduced to two. battery technology slowly increases as well. possible improvements in display efficiency. maybe some tweaks to the OS for power consumption.
all those things can add up to increased efficiency. most of that will apply to all phones, not just Apple's.
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1as the technology matures they get more efficient. things like 5 chips will get reduced to two. battery technology slowly increases as well. possible improvements in display efficiency. maybe some tweaks to the OS for power consumption.
- thurows, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Good way to screw current sales. Obviously AT&T knows nothing about outing new products only when old technology is almost off the shelves.
- caponumen, on 11/30/2007, -1/+1LOL, you crapple fans must have some sore aholes by now........
- johnpaul191, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1yeah.... and the phone in your pocket may also be "old" sometime in the next year. how is this news?
- lightyearradio, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1I've had a "3G" SIM card from AT&T (cingular) for more than 2 years now... i'll believe it when i see it.
- dimitrisokolov, on 12/03/2007, -0/+0I used to have a 3G RAZR from Verizon where the 3G network took about a minute to load a screen that contained 8 menu items. 3G is *****. The iPhone has WIFI mother *****.
- flvconverter, on 12/14/2007, -0/+0http://www.auditions.com/cs_search_castings_music. ... has many informations on musician jobs.
- iPhoneManiac, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Good way to screw current sales.AT&T have very smart guys in the stuff.
http://iphonegap.com
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