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- lo0ol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Subversion isn't given enough due in the personal development world, from what I've seen. I think it's automatically rolled into the "advanced" topics that only really matter if you're working on a project within a group or an organization, and as such it's almost always non-existent in your basic-to-intermediate web development tutorials. I wish more of these types of articles would at least mention Subversion (like this one did), even if you're just an independent, solo web developer. I just started learning it (finally!) myself in the past few months and it's completely simplified my life, particularly since I develop on two machines (iMac and MacBook), and it's just so easy to keep both in sync. Naturally, rolling back to old revisions is always nice, too, and that's also something the solo developer can appreciate.
And, of course, I'll throw my support down for TextMate as well; I'm a Dreamweaver -> TextMate switcher myself. Bundles rock. - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9$50 for textmate compared to $400 for dreamweaver is a big one. I wouldn't use the majority of the features that Dreamweaver offers. Hell, I use TextWrangler (lite version of BBEdit) because it's free. For $400, I'll deal with having to save my file before being able to see it in a browser. Big deal.
- outoforder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Blog spam anyone? This site is full of advertisements, not to mention the content is pretty much useless to anyone who actually develops web sites. I really like Digg, but worthless articles like these are cluttering my screen...
- andocom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The author seems to think that www.W3school.com is in some way related to the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) www.w3.org, unless I am mistaken there is no relationship at all.
- apersaud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8If you are too cheap for Dreamweaver, you can try Aptana http://aptana.com/ which is free and open source. It uses the Eclipse platform and supports all good Web2.0 javascript stuff (Prototype, Scriptaculous..etc).
- MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"And if your really SoOoOo(***** every one sucks at it) good at hand coding then that means you can code it in notepad up load and go live?"
I don't suck at hand coding. I hand code every single one of my clients websites, and honestly I use an editor that is nothing more than Notepad with syntax highlighting.
In my humble opinion, if you are not an accomplished hand coder, anybody could be easily taught to do your job. - picto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Alright, let's get down to brass taxes here. While I would agree that the article is generally pretty lame, you probably need to rethink some things. Firefox is listed because it has some really nice extensions that really aid in the visual design portion of any project (Chris Pederick's Web Developer extension and User-Agent switcher can be really handy just to name a few). But seriously, why would you say that "hand coding" (I don't really understand the need for quotes in how you wrote it) is something that people would have a certain fascination for? What many people, including yourself, may forget is that web design and development is not all about the visual aesthetics from doing something once; if you're a legit developer, maintenance is a key aspect of the development cycle. Have you ever worked through a Dreamweaver file by hand? Here's a spoiler: it blows ass and may take more time sifting through generated files than knowing what the hell was written because you wrote it yourself. And if you know what you're doing, do you really need a "Design View"? I submit that you do not.
- actionscripted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Subversion is by far one of the most useful tools for any form of computer development, period. We put our design team on SVN for web roll-outs and we don't hear about problems where some designer over-wrote the changes of another anymore.
If you work regularly on a computer, or if you value your files in any way, and you don't utilize some sort of version control system you're an idiot.
(Notepad -> Vim) - jamble, on 10/12/2007, -12/+17wow .. there isn't a lame setting strong enough for this post!
Firefox as a "useful tool for a web developer" ?!
Textmate better than dreamweaver? I don't see the fascination with "hand coding" in other apps, you can do it in dreamweaver and if you like you can have the benefit of design view. Why make your life harder for no reason?
How on earth this made it to the homepage I'll never know. Oh wait, it does mention macs. - sembetu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you want to use Aptana, it is better to get the Eclipse PDT, and then install Aptana as a Plug-in. That way, if you are doing any PHP work, (Which you will run into eventually if you are really planning on calling the server and processing any ingormation), you will have both views available to you, ie PHP View, and Aptana View, with all the JavaScript/HTML/CSS goodness.
- Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Man I'm disappointed. The title should have said "6 tools related to web design." I mean how the ***** does apache make the list for web design? Apache isn't a tool to code. Firefox? Come the ***** on. That's a web browser. Sure it has great web app tools. But, this article didn't even get in depth with what these tools can do. So, what do we have left? A website with a bunch of great info that pretty much everyone knows about, and some editors. Man, I'm ready to start making sites now. Also, marked as lame due to the lack of mentioning Bluefish and Taco.
- mizraabianz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Whats the deal with so called Senior web developer trying to get people away from dreamweaver?? serious web designers who uses dreamweaver work 90% of the time in code view like myself. whats so wrong about this?? why use some plain notepad when you can use code view of dreamweaver which can help you correct your code while you writing instead of fixing it later. It doesn't matter to my clients how sophisticated or easy going apps i used to build their site, what matters is the end result.
- sillywampa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Aptana has a PHP editor now.
I still prefer Eclipse with the Aptana plugin though. I also have the PHP Eclipse and Subclipse plugins.
Since I started using this for webdev I will never use anything else.
And I use svn for all my projects even though it's just me working on them. Saves me the trouble of saving files as filename_001.php and the like. - appletalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As a matter of fact, he even says he's 'shocked on a daily basis by the number of people that don’t know what the w3 is or have ever heard of w3schools.com'.
- kupa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To be fair, Web Developer (the extenstion) for Firefox is an invaluable tool for web design. I know its made picking through someone else's mess of a CSS a ton easier... not to mention my own. Heh.
- aristoworks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm so sick of people knocking Dreamweaver as an IDE. Web design isn't about the tools that you use - it's about how you use what you've got. Snippets, Extensions, Code Folding and Completion... All of these things (and many others) save me huge amounts of time in developing BOTH for the front end and back end. Handholding? I can hang w/ the best of them and spend a lot of time coding via VIM so I know all about handholding and how reliance can get you in trouble but when it comes to the speedy completion of a product and accuracy lets see if the client cares if I'm running dreamweaver or not.
This list sucks IMO. - toughice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dreamweaver is ok - they should really take the time to improve the quality of the code that it generates from its design view. It would be ok to design a website in a "design" view, if the tools that you were using produced better code.
The biggest problem with Dreamweaver is that the preview mode inside of the program isn't always accurate - you have to preview in a browser. So if the preview doesn't work, and the code is bad - why would you use it? Why wouldn't you use Textmate or something like it.
CSSEdit should not be missing from their list - it is the single greatest tool I have found. - mikehill33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2buried as lame, these articles of how to have ranged from top 10 to now top 6?
l-a-m-e.com - scuzzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Notepad++ needs to be on this list. It's the best text editor I've ever used. http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the headsup about CSSEdit. Just tried it, and I think it'll make my life much easier. Still trying to get to grips with how you use it during development, but I think I'm getting it. Just to check I'm right... You open the real, live URL in the preview window. Then you extract and override the css to a local file, which you use in the source/visual editor to make the changes. You then save that override stylesheet, and that's what you'd upload to the live site? If so, that's pretty nifty.
- actionscripted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dreamweaver fanboys: shut the hell up.
You want to drop figures? I work for a multi-million dollar web firm that has worked with the likes of Motorola and NPR. If you don't hand-code, you're retarded. I CAN hand-code a site faster than you WYSIWYG asshats could ever dream to, and my code is REUSABLE. Read that. I develop a form for a landing page or a site and because the code is always semantic (I don't expect you Dreamweaver idiots to understand the "s" word), I can ALWAYS reuse it. I rarely have to rewrite markup because I did it right the first time.
Working with semantics and standards, I was able to get a site a Google PageRank of 4 in just a few months. There is no argument for Dreamweaver use -- if you know what you're doing, you can hand-code any site in less time and with better (read: cross-browser) results than some "web designer" that uses an Adobe product to look cool.
If you can't hand-code and you don't see the value in it, that's your ***** problem. Embrace your ignorance, because it's the only reason you're using Dreamweaver. Learn the specs, study browser consistency, GET GOOD AT WHAT YOU CLAIM IS YOUR JOB.
Christ, I just feel bad for those that say, "Dreamweaver is awesome", because what you're really saying is that you're too retarded to figure out how to write the code behind the sites you sling for cash. Go develop some clan websites and *****-off. You're a disgrace to the web design community, and you should be ashamed for ever supporting a WYSIWYG editor. - theadvinci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1I would say IE is a tool for web designers too. You have to see how the design looks in browsers other than Firefox.
- svenjick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This was a boring article for people in the know, and an unhelpful article for people wanting to know.
My personal opinion based on my experience is the following. In terms of tools, just read the point about the Firefox extensions (which are really cool). For the rubbish about Dreamweaver/Texmate, you gotta understand that if you don't know anything about html, then many programs can help, but if you're trying to do nice xhtml-css designs, then you are obliged to hand-code. The w3cschools.com website is easy-to-read and can be helpful, but for real information you need to read the w3c.org's official specs (and the browser-compatibility issues for each property, discussed on other sites). The rest is hot air. Cheers. - Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed. I'm not saying that the tools mentioned sucked. I'm just saying there's lack of detail over the tools. I mean, if you are going to inform everyone about what to use, at least give them some detail on why it's great.
- boogie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1he forgot tacohtml :) lame article... No dig.
- SaForge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Dreamweaver - it´s really funny... everybody say: no, it´s not good, because you have to re-write then the "bad" code... eehhhmmm, why you don´t use dreamweaver in the same way like Textmate ? You can also "hand-code" or write your site completely from the first to the last code-block on an empty sheet there. Plus you have some syntax-highlighting, basic pre-made code-blocks and then also the design-preview...
So you can also hard-code if you want there and then use the other features of DW to complete the site. Why make your life harder with only pure-coding ? I never understand this.... (only thing is the price, but most of the web-dev. still have DW) - cviebrock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hear hear for Cyberduck. It supports live editing in Textmate too (I suspect it'll use whatever you've got installed).
- spect3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll have to say Aptana is one of the best feature-filled open-source web design tools I've used to date. It compares to Dreamweaver, and recently has added support for PHP...
- polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He could have mentioned wordpress, seeing thats how he pumped that page out. Ironic that an article about web design is created on a premade template.
- iofthestorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You are correct. Although it doesn't say that explicitly, it seems to imply it, which is flat out wrong.
- buzzert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I use CSSEdit all the time. It should be number one on that list.
Also I prefer SubEthaEdit over TextMate. SubEthaEdit is cleaner looking and snazzier. - Kinsbane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Joab:
The only reason I use dreamweaver is for 2 things:
File management
And that helpful pop-up box when it asks what attribute, or what value for an attribute, I want to set. Plus, the live-linking of stylesheets so I can browse through my id's and classes while coding is frickin' great, too.
As a wizzy-wig, DW sucks. But as a text editor, it's freaking awesome. - l0k1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1MAMP == indispensable
"The abbreviation MAMP stands for: Macintosh, Apache, Mysql and PHP. With just a few mouse-clicks, you can install Apache, PHP and MySQL for Mac OS X!
MAMP installs a local server environment in a matter of seconds on your Mac OS X computer, be it PowerBook or iMac. Like similar packages from the Windows- and Linux-world, MAMP comes free of charge."
http://www.mamp.info/en/home.php - ronaldpoi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can't believe how xScope has help me. That's one of the main reasons i love Macs
- davidgolding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Using Dreamweaver over an extended period of time over several high-level university web sites and with a team of competent web developing professionals has taught me that your idea of it is over-simplistic at best. It rarely renders everything precisely to WYSIWYG benefit and we always resort to hand coding the HTML and backend features. Furthermore, TextMate is much more helpful when using it for non-HTML development purposes (RoR, PHP, CakePHP, take your pick).
- dafragsta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ten chances to preach and feel a swelling of self satisfaction at being a total chode.
I've been in the web dev biz, or at least coding HTML since 1996. Not many people can make that statement that are still around. Granted, I know I'm one of at least thousand or more, but let me make my point now that I've called the kettle black.
My point is that I've been around long enough to notice the trends and more specifically the attitudes most web developers have toward the things that work for them. To put it simply, if you don't do things the way the loudest guy in the room does them, you are a hack. I know my HTML and CSS and I rarely rely on the WYSIWYG for anything that can't be done by hand unless it's just tremendously faster to go that way. (Like using Dreamweaver to highlight code by clicking on it in WYSYWIG and switching back) I've been using Dreamweaver for 7 years now and before that I used (yes, you can mock me for ever using it) Frontpage.
Both of those tools have a stigma for mangling code (and FrontPage truely earned it. Dreamweaver has been fairly well behaved since version 4 as long as you know enough about the code the WYSIWYG is creating to keep it in check. ALWAYS check your code if you do still rely on the WYSIWYG.)
Anytime someone tells you you can't use tool x because they don't like it, it's like someone telling you "Don't use Charmin extra soft. You like it, but I like using toilet paper I gank in bulk from the McDonalds restroom." So when this clown says using textmate will make your code cleaner than it woudl be in Dreamweaver, it's just plain chest pounding rhetoric. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm pretty sure if you can develop a web page you are competent enough to use the google intertubes to search for tools on your own rather than reading some blog? Whats with this place? ALMOST EVERY GOD DAMN LINK IS TO SOME 15 YEAR OLDS BLOG. This place has so much potential.
- ovas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Has anyone ever used Google Code for their subversion storage? Just wondering if it's worth using or not.
- joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I like Microsoft Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition for the free web coder. But hey it's only for windows... so I'm probably not welcome here..
- wulff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would recommend some other tools:
Smultron - Free open source cocoa based text editor.
Transmit - For those projects where FTP is required.
Image Tricks - For the simple manipulation of images. - pilcrow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Marked as lame for the article's use of "aweful"
I hesitate to take software/workflow advice from someone that can't handle a spell checker. - PRlME, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@gharding "$50 for textmate compared to $400 for dreamweaver is a big one."...if your paying for Dream that means your doing web design and if you do it right its a tax write off -=)
The suggestion of "Put down Dreamweaver and step away from the handholding." seems kind of stupid as we are trying to move away from memorizing heavy code (which is why i'm trying to learn Ruby) As leet as it may seem to code straight i would much rather code fast and go clubing not googling code on a saturday night to make my monday dead line. - choskies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so when does the "photoshop for designers" bashing begin
- Joab, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Sigh. This article was about as useful as ***** on a boar. It should have been labeled development and not design.
1.) Instead of linking to the W3 Consortium site, which people who dont know about it should read, we get a link a code website. http://www.w3.org/ Also the best tool for documentation is the google auto complete search field. You can search based off of tag names and their properties and google will bring up w3school in the first search result for you.
2.) 6 Tools for MAC Web Design. Doesn't really help people who are on PC.
3.) This is probably going to be the cause of biggest head ache for people. Subversion isn't for everyone and can be a huge pain in the ass if you start trying to install it / use it without knowing anything about it. If your apart of a team of developers that work on the same projects together, you should consider installing it and training people to use it. If your a solo developer or work on a small team where everyone works on their own project you don't need subversion. Get a shared network drive for people that you backup everynight and you'll be fine.
4.) Text editors are text editors. Dreamweaver gets a bad rap because of its outdated WYSIWYG portion. It also has a pretty good text editor folks, however one powerful thing I think people don't use nor consider about dreamweaver is its file management window. Being able to setup file transfer between development, testing and production environments within a code editor is a great thing to have.
I'm too tired to go into the other 3 bullets. They arn't that bad and should have been the only thing he talked about. - Darel99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Great information!
- picto, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I'd have to say for most purposes, I stick pretty hard with vim...extremely powerful and chock full of features (syntax highlighting, etc). The best thing is that I can use it in OS X, Windows (Right Click -> Edit With Vim might be the best thing since sliced bread), and Linux and it's all the same. For larger projects, I like to use Eclipse with the PHP plugin; it's great for managing a project, linking up with CVS (or whatever your flavor is), and is specifically engineered towards projects involved with web application architecture and development. And as opposed to w3schools, www.php.net/quickref has saved my ass on occasion.
And one more thing...is it just me or are there a lot of these "best tools for web design" articles going around that aren't saying anything new? - PRlME, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3lol damz coolSkewl digged up for dramatic effect
- picto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1What the hell did you just say? I'm sorry, I don't speak retard.
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