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3G iPhone for Europe to be announced Monday?

engadget.com — "Oh man, here we go. Another rumor about that 3G European iPhone. This time, the source is Guy Kewney of Newswireless who doubles as eWeek.com's European wireless editor -- i.e., he's the real deal. As the story goes, Apple is set to announce a four-way deal..."

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  • frem001, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24maybe they will just announce the carriers and the 3G part might be announced much later, so they don't upset American consumers. It has to be 3G for Europe and Asia otherwise they are wasting their time and money.
    • wayback09, on 10/11/2007, -17/+1This is totally true!!! Not a rumor. Apple knows the way to get customers to buy the 2.75G iPhone, is to announce a new faster one two days after release!! Genius!!!
      1) Release EDGE iPhone.
      2) Announce 3G iPhone two days later to select countries.
      3)????
      4) PROFIT!!!
    • drakethegreat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I was under the impression that Apple was wasting its time and money on this phone. I had the option to wait and buy one but I went with a different phone that my wallet thanked me for. No 3G is simply the killer because no one really needs 8 GBs of space with Safari when they can't download faster then a few KB a minute. So if Apple believes that 3G doesn't matter then they underestimate the saviness of Apple fans and what they want.
  • Rulsky, on 10/11/2007, -6/+45And we all feel sorry for the Americans, they get EDGE and we get 3G which is more than twice as fast...ROFLOL

    I'm in the UK
    • dignews, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Me to, untill then i'll have 2 put up with my LG Prada which isnt bad ive gotta say, but no doubt the iPhone beats it. Doesnt matter what people have been saying before, they both are touch screen that is the only similarity, the iPhone has so much more functionality
    • l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -18/+5I rather have my roads and houses twice as big here in America. ROFLOL

      ps: you can also keep the horrible food, weather, and dental hygiene too.
      • Flamekebab, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I've never understood the dental hygiene stereotype. It doesn't hold true as far as I've seen, having lived here for the majority of the last two decades.

        However, food and weather, have them, I don't want them!
      • jazh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5That has nothing to do with an iphone. Stop spouting rubbish between europeans and US people. Americans who have visited and stayed in europe very rarely have bad things to say about it.
      • the6thReplicant, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2So for you: Europe = UK

        ?
        • JoeBaynham, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I'm sorry are you debating the fact that the UK is in Europe, If so I would love to meet your Geography teacher!
        • richardiscool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The UK is in Europe, but it doesn't mean Europe = UK.
      • Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Haha. Why the ***** would I want your food? I'm fine with our weather tbh- there are so many places in Europe that I can go to any, any time for whatever weather I want.

        Plus, I've never had a filling or tooth pulled. I fail to see how I have bad dental hygiene. Anyway, bad teeth > fat folds.
        • locd32, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2"Plus, I've never had a filling or tooth pulled".....that's kind of the point he was making. You don't go to dentists at all so you have bad teeth. It's an old stereotype that doesn't really apply today, but I just thought it was funny that you made that comment in response.
        • Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Oh haha, miss the point moron.
    • einsteinbqat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4This would just be an annoncement. The iPhone is not set to be in Europe until the end of the year. Apple still have plenty of time to manufacture a 3G iPhone.
    • locd32, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7You know what's even more funny? The US will likely get the 3G version of the iPhone before the UK even has ANY version of an iPhone out for retail.
      • rastAsia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Sure! It'll be in all Black or a U2 red endorsed one selling for $1000 for an 8GB expandable Ram. Why not. I'm sure many will be in that line for it. Hell ye, free engraving of your pets name on the back for free too!
    • noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Does America even have a strong 3G network yet?
      • nartvq, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1AT&T offers HSDPA and Sprint/Verizon offer EV-DO. It's been around since last year and is offered in over 160 major metropolitan areas. Remember, the US is a big country so there are still many places where 3G isn't economically feasible to deploy yet. Since HSDPA defaults to EDGE if it can't find a 3G signal, there's no real reason why iPhones can't have HSDPA. iPhonites are just getting shafted by AT&T and Apple with the EDGE.
  • MrSarcasm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10well then, not so bad I'm not in USA and can't buy an iPhone now, eh? ;)
    • reverzentative, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Eh? Coolio, another Canadian! I guess not getting the iPhone right away might actually turn out for the better, although it still doesn't make me feel any better right now. (I want an iPhone!!! :P)
  • aacidusX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Other countries actually deserve a 3G iPhone, at least the ones that have had it for 3 or more years. In the Americas 3G is still a baby...
  • definetheline, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Canada too? Please....
    • einsteinbqat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The iPhone is not set to come in Canada until next yesr. By the time it reaches us, the 3G iPhone for Europe would already be out, so we could expect to see a 3G iPhone in Canada. Apple might have released a 2nd generation of iPhone by then. Canada won't be getting crap if you get what I mean! :)
      • Speed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1But does Rogers even have a 3G network? I'm not even sure if my EDGE capable Samsung d807x is browsing and downloading at EDGE speeds...
        • einsteinbqat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Rogers is EDGE capable, 3G is on it's way. It should be ready to roll out by the time the iPhone reaches Canada
  • kenvsryu, on 10/11/2007, -12/+22So the 3g battery drain is not an issue if you're not a fat american?
    • jjsaw5, on 10/11/2007, -21/+4***** you
      • Carlsen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I smell a fat american
      • NewOntario, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0No that's just the triple bacon cheeseburgers cooked in lard that fat Americans eat all the time. I would know cause I once had to drive through Iowa. Dear God did that drive suck and kill my appetite for the day.
  • idrissofny, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0grrr
  • wayback09, on 10/11/2007, -6/+31at&t would blow a fuse if Apple was to annouce a 3G iPhone 2 days after the first iPhone release. Digg me down, i'm highly skeptical on this.
    • phoomp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Why would AT&T blow a fuse? Could AT&T sell a 3G iPhone? Do any European 3G service providers compete with AT&T for American customers?

      A 3G European iPhone would mean nothing to AT&T, other than AT&T customers being annoyed that they don't get the same high cellular technology that is available to Asia and Europe. In other words, nothing new.
  • hoegaarden1234, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1Oh look another Engadget story going to make front page of Digg, even though the story was posted by another website a whole hour earlier.

    http://digg.com/apple/Breaking_News_UK_to_Get_3G_iPhone
  • test5477, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12"Shenanigans, I'm calling Shenanigans."
    • recover82, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2hahahahahaha, "shenanigans".
    • Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Are you calling Shenanigans on your iPhone?
      • test5477, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1no I'm calling Shenanigan's on whoever is putting this crap story out there.
  • jasonmacari, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21I hate American cell phones.
    • fowleryo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It's the carriers that deserve the most hate. They're the ones that hold decent technology back in favor of higher profits and $3 ring tones.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The cell phone service and prices here in the US is just horrible compared to Europe. I've used mobile phones since it was the size of a suitcase and I needed an antenna on the roof of my car.
      The first issue was when I moved here and wanted a cell phone, the guy asked me how many minutes I wanted. Minutes???? I said, I have no clue, bill me at the end of the month for the minutes I use (that is what I have been used to for 20 years), but no, I had to select a set number of minutes and I didn't get credit or the minutes rolled over. At least this has changed. I was nothing but extortion. Not to mention the rate system sucked worse than a Hoover.

      No sims... I can't take my sim and put it into another phone and be done, crap.
      iPhone looks nice, I might buy one when it gets to the 3rd or 4th release, I don't like to pay for having the honor of doing beta testing.
    • replica, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1An American cell phone is going to dominate Europe soon so learn to live with it.
    • Speed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The reason that North American cell phone providers and such suck is becuase very few people are savvy enough to complain. Do you think anybody knows what the hell EDGE is, never mind 3G? People don't bother learning how to make their own ring tones (which you can do with most cell phone with the right software), so they shell out $3.00 for a 30 second clip of a song (not even for most of the music ring tones).
    • NewOntario, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Which is why I have a European model unlocked Motorola L6.
  • NJPENSO, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9150/1182426955852lg6.gif

    This picture becomes truer everyday...
    The iphone is the 'Paris Hilton' of products, it's useless and for some reason, people just can't get enough if it.
    • nicnic77, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Useless? It has many uses. Retard.
    • ScrumFritter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I really don't understand people complaining about hype like this. You don't want to hear Apple news? You can turn it off in your profile. It makes no sense for people to get pissed off at OTHER people for getting excited about something they couldn't care less about.
      • MattZB, on 10/15/2007, -1/+0Thank God someone said it! I totally agree. I swear the Apple whiners which are becoming more common lately, are getting as bad as the fanboys :/
  • Sarawanan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I'd expect the iPhone announcement for Canada to come out in a matter of weeks, because Rogers has confirmed that they will be the only carrier in Canada and would indicate a September/October release for Canadians.
    *hint* make sure you subscribe to Apple Canada RSS through email or cellphone for July 1st *hint*
    • Speed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It's a no brainer that Rogers will be the only carrier. Aside from Fido (which they own), they are the only GSM carrier in Canada.And Fido gets the cheap or non-exclusive phones, while Rogers gets the decent phones (good thing too, since Fido's coverage sucks ass).

      But I never thought of that, a Canada Day announcement. Only problem is, though, that Canada Day falls on Sunday this year, and nobody ever announces ***** on Sundays.
  • TheCount, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Well if Apple wants to piss of all it's American customers that have been building this hype, and doing all this marketing for them, for free, this would be the best way to do that.
  • Drevor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1yes ... and just for those few more kb/s the thing will cost €600 not €446 ($600) and will have a volume based data plan .. yay
    • phoomp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1nah, it'd cost that much more anyways, just for shipping it across the pond.
  • trakais, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3this is bull*** posted by somebody who wants to slow down current iPhone sales. a competitor probably
  • locd32, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5The real question here is, why didn't Apple just make the US version 3G ready right out of the gate? Seems a little odd to me that they didn't make the phone 2.5/3G ready from the start...
    • 1jaxstate1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1SJ said he was concerned about battery life and form factor. The 3G chipsets are not intergrated enough yet, and would have need more space.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Easy...
      It's something called double-sale. First release a inferior version of the product and let people fork over the dough. A year or so later, release a new and ramped up version (3G) and have people buy a new phone. Twice the sale, twice the profit.
      • rastAsia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0And free advertisements via all Tech reviewers, sites and bloggers causing another sales hike. Its an awesome marketing gag!
  • ScrumFritter, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm just glad they've announced a provider, if it is true. 3G or not, I just want a ***** iPhone... if it took any longer for them to find a network, it'd have been delayed past Christmas.
  • neondiet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12
    3G or HSDPA? In the UK Vodafone's 3G network is completely HSDPA now, and I think T-Mobile are pretty similar (don't know about them so much). I've had an HSDPA USB Modem from Vodafone for several months that I use with my MacBook Pro when I'm out and about working away from my home office. Vodafone call it 3G Broadband. Coverage is good and it regularly tops out at 175 KB/s (or 1.4 Mb/s if you prefer bits to bytes). I'm very pleased with it.


    • m4ttbrian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2They have used 3G as more of a generic term I think, the media will jump on it much like they did on "Web 2.0".

  • acosta814, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Let's Say they announce a iPhone. 2.0 will come out in 6 months and you all ready have yours. You can return it, AT&T has a 30 day return policy.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Buy now, 6 months later, AT&T will not accept a return. Check the math, dude, stop smoking during school!
      • Speed, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1He's saying that if Apple announces iPhone 2.0 within the next 30 days, you can return it, and wait the 6 months to get the newer version.

        Read what people actually say, and quit insulting them just because you can't grasp the concept of reading comprehension.
  • skinfitz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Considering that EDGE is rare in Europe (in the UK only Orange have EDGE), Apple are going to HAVE to make iPhone 3G if they want to sell it here as nobody is going to put up with EDGE speeds after being used to 3G. Jobs himself said 3G was coming to iPhone. Perhaps that's what the delay is - we are getting iPhone 2.0.

    Just need to be able to put 3rd party apps on it now (or at the VERY least allow connection with a GPS) then I'll consider one. (What is the point of a handheld device that does maps without GPS..?)
    • kenok, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Probably.

      It's noted somewhere that the 700mb OS on the phone can be feature enhanced/upgraded via software. So it might be the current USA phones are already capable of 3G.
  • StephenCIreland, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1i dont think 3g, but i dont think winter for europe either, the official apple retailer here sells phones, its a shop ironically called '3G'. but they have the iphone as coming soon in their catalouge and normally coming soon means 2 months tops
  • TeamRocket, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1they should ban all Europeans from posting on digg, I'm surprise that the Queen of Europe allows her subjects so much leisure time, aren't ye suppose to be farming or working in coal mines to be impartially and unfairly taxed?
    • cryofmankind, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I sense jealousy and a case of an inferiority complex.
    • irgeorge, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0...or a joke? why is he getting dugg down, it's funny. i thought just americans couldn't take a joke, i was wrong. diggers' are too uptight.
      • richardiscool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I dug him down because there's no queen of Europe.
    • richardiscool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The Queen of Europe?

      All aboard the failboat.
  • zephc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Someone in the engadget article *did* post this: http://phones2udirect.co.uk/Products/type/phones/ProductID/7817/NetworkID/6
    • matthiasgoodman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Sure, I can pretend to sell you a phone too, if you like. Did you notice that you can't actually order it. They are just name dropping for now, as far as I can tell.
  • rapiddemon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Since I have T-Mobile in the US, and T-Mobile's network is international, is it possible that I can buy one of these European T-Mobile iPhones if they do come to fruition, pop my sim in it, and use it here in the US without any problems?
    • TeamRocket, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I guess it would, except that because of the exchange rate you maybe paying more than 600 for it
    • nistaani, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Doubt it - Mobiles are usually locked to the specific country the came from. IE you could only use a UK sim in a UK mobile. Unless you unlock it of course.
  • harpdog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The article suggests that HSDPA is being rolled out in Europe. Here in the UK it is pretty much already rolled out I have been using a usb2 hspda modem on t-mboiles network with my macbook for about 2 months now and for a cell phone connection it is pretty fast. T-mobile have said that they are not running their network a full speed just yet however I am getting on average 1 megabit downloads.
  • yingjai, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Just doing my part in the community by burying this.
  • abwesth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Fake. Obvious.
    But what timing, excellent.
  • Snoz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Canada is a joke when it comes to cell phones. I personally think we have the worst data plan coverage in the world. All cell phone providers don't even offer unlimited data. I pay $25 for 5MB, which is a complete ripoff. If Rogers does announce that they are providing the iPhone, I will be shocked. Also, if the cheapest plan coverage, for the iPhone, is $59 then Rogers will charge $69.
    • pradaaddict, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0They announced their intentions to carry it back in Jan. I sincerely hope that Apple makes Rogers play by their rules just as with AT&T. It could mean that Rogers would be worth my business. All i really want from them though is a date.
    • leet455, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I have a HipTop II (SideKick II) on Rogers with unlimited data for $20/month. I grabbed it as soon as it became available here in Canada. They don't carry it anymore, and they stopped offering unlimited data for them a while back. I have a US cell phone # for business too, so I'm gonna get an iPhone anyways. Holla!
  • rolsuk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0They may not announce a 3G version on Monday, but I suspect when the iPhone is released in Europe its will be 3G.

    There are a number of rumours going around that Apple have ordered 5 Million iPhones for September delivery from a manufacturer, which would coincide with the reported European release date of October.

    If they do announce their European partnership on Monday, what network will they announce gets the iPhone, Maybe this will give us an indication of whether Europe will get a 3G iPhone or not.

    Im putting my money on Vodafone and T-Mobile getting it.
  • seraph82, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I've had enough undeserved iPhone hype for one lifetime. Dugg down for lame.
  • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh and nobody saw this coming? Apple most likely has a 20GB iPhone in their back pocket, they are just seeing how many people they can entice to a 4GB version. Then when they need more, "America... we have now an upgrade plan for your iPhone to the 10 GB model..." and they slowly introduce the sizes over a few months, getting people to pay that extra $100 per say for each upgrade.
  • Uberreich, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0this is not a rumor it is common sense for the European market. crappy AT&T EDGE like networks have disappeared in front of enormous competition, 3G as become very common now
  • DrAtheist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1SJ said there wasn't 3G because of size and battery drain issues. So I really doubt there will be a 3G announcement on Monday, plus, what better way to stop your sales than to announce an upgrade so quickly?
    I expect us Europeans will get a release date announcement and carrier information at the most.
  • Jaymo89, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Guy Kewnie was the guy that was supposed to be on the BBC when they screwed up.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Goma
    It's trivia but I guess it's funny for those that remember it.
  • dethl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"As the story goes, Apple is set to announce a four-way deal: Vodafone and T-Mobile on the carrier front with Carphone Warehouse out in front as the MVNO."

    So while Europe gets true freedom with their GSM phone the US gets to sit at AT&T with crap for data speeds and an insane bill every month. Way to alienate your own fans there.
    • test5477, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1actually the rate plans are really good.
  • DarKnight90, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Whats an iPhone?
  • *Ica*, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5As far as the UK is concerned, I'd be suprised if the iPhone was Vodafone and T-Mobile exclusive for more than a few months. We're just not used to it, we expect to be able to choose our network, and choose what phone we want to use on it. Another thing to remember is that UK customers are not used to paying for phones, we get them free when we sign up and then most people usually get a free upgrade every year too. The iPhone needs to be heavilly subsidised here or it just won't sell. Finally it just HAS to be HSDPA or it will get poor reviews, its as simple as that.
    • beerbarron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Business people will buy it for sure no matter the cost, especially if they are fans of apple. If the camera quality is good enough, it may start attracting a new market to, the ipod side will certainly attract those who own an ipod and want to upgrade and have a cool hand held device to. The market where it will suffer is with students, ages 12- 21 where they may not be earning or certainly not enough to afford. I have not tried a full html web browser on a phone before, but my gprs on my samsung does well enough and that's not 3g, so who knows, wi fi is making leaps and bounds, and lots of places have hot spots these days, so the need for 3G may not be so important. One community project in Portsmouth has a massive wi fi dish , beaming out near free access in a 5 mile radius, which is insane, this will become common place soon enough and when that does happen, 3G will become pointless, certainly in cities, and large towns
  • beerbarron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I'd of thought they would go for all 4, orange t-mobile o2 and voaphone, I dont think people will be disapointed that we may get 3g, if the coverage in america isnt that good, then theres no point having it at all.
  • mangee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1So - the iPhone is quad band.. so it can handle the European frequencies already.. and you can always run 3g in software ;) Activate in Europe, and it morphs?
    • richardiscool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1And the award for most uninformed Digg post goes to....

      *opens gold envelope*

      MANGEE!
  • rastAsia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Take away the whole phone function and just leave the new iPod with WiFi and Safari on it. Make sure that the WiFi capability is switchable to safe iPod juice. And if not over priced I'd buy it. Hell that'd be the best iPod yet to be released.
  • skitchthg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The European version of the iPhone is going to be 3G, I'm certain of it. If not, why would they be waiting to release it? I think they're waiting to release it in europe because the 3G chip that is a drop in replacement for the 2.5G chip in the current US iPhone wasn't available yet. Read on here:
    http://www.iphonedope.com/index.php/3G_iphone_coming
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