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- bisexualf, on 04/27/2008, -28/+4The protracted and increasingly acrimonious fight for the Democratic presidential nomination is unnerving core constituencies.
http://www.biloves.com- Taciturn, on 04/27/2008, -5/+5Thanks for quoting the first sentence of the article for me. After hearing your contribution I feel like I have to click the link you've posted, since clearly it must be some story or blog posting relevant to the topic under discussion.
- kipmartin, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5so, you recruiting?
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -7/+24Article dicusses more than the race card. It profiles some of the 73 Clinton donors (who had contributed the max $2300) and then switched to contribute to Obama in March. (There were **zero** switches going from Obama to Clinton.)
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In the words of one NY billionaire, who up until recently was a Clinton donor and supporter:
"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.
...So, the dude writes a nice check to Obama. (And I'm betting a few of his friends will do so too.)
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In the words of a former Ambassador (appointed by Bill Clinton) who supported Hillary and even bundled (hillraised) $500,000 in donations for her:
"We're just bleeding each other out," Guerra-Mondragón said when asked why he had decided to join Obama's finance committee. "Looking at it as coldly as I can, I just don't see how Senator Clinton can overcome Senator Obama with delegates and popular votes. I want this fight to be over -- the quicker, the better."
...So, the dude writes out a check to Obama. And word is (but not discussed in this article) that he's signed on to be an official fundraiser for Obama too.- jason4188, on 04/27/2008, -9/+3I don't understand this article, so Hillary should stop being critical of Obama because it is working and she may win now? She should quit so that he has a better chance of winning? If the little amount of going head to head with Hillary is breaking the Obama momentum, just wait until the RIght Wing Machine gets his ass. He will be shat and pissed on daily. In fact I bet they are holding their best Wright stuff in a little locked box right now. They will scare the bible belt to tears in the coming months. Obama ticket will fail, you can digg it down, but it will happen. I would even go as far as to say he is hurting her chances by staying in. The top black leaders that were playing neutral are stepping up now because they see a man drowning and quick. If he decides not to debate, after all the attention it has received today, you will see his points drop even further.
- hittnrun, on 04/27/2008, -10/+3He needs to drown. I would never vote for a Dim but this Obama fixation is just sickening. These people are so blinded by his cool that they can't see that he is an empty suit who talks like a white man and he has black skin. That's it. really. There is NOTHING there. Well except for bad relationships with people a President would never be caught with. These are the people he didn't think he needed to hide. There is oh, so much more. Fasten your seat belts Paul, errrrrr, Obamabots.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9"I would never vote for a Dim"
Then shut the ***** up and continue voting for another Bush clone, which you people will always and forever do.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9"I would never vote for a Dim"
- hittnrun, on 04/27/2008, -10/+3He needs to drown. I would never vote for a Dim but this Obama fixation is just sickening. These people are so blinded by his cool that they can't see that he is an empty suit who talks like a white man and he has black skin. That's it. really. There is NOTHING there. Well except for bad relationships with people a President would never be caught with. These are the people he didn't think he needed to hide. There is oh, so much more. Fasten your seat belts Paul, errrrrr, Obamabots.
- jason4188, on 04/27/2008, -9/+3I don't understand this article, so Hillary should stop being critical of Obama because it is working and she may win now? She should quit so that he has a better chance of winning? If the little amount of going head to head with Hillary is breaking the Obama momentum, just wait until the RIght Wing Machine gets his ass. He will be shat and pissed on daily. In fact I bet they are holding their best Wright stuff in a little locked box right now. They will scare the bible belt to tears in the coming months. Obama ticket will fail, you can digg it down, but it will happen. I would even go as far as to say he is hurting her chances by staying in. The top black leaders that were playing neutral are stepping up now because they see a man drowning and quick. If he decides not to debate, after all the attention it has received today, you will see his points drop even further.
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -7/+20On the race card, Bill has not IMO received very much ***** for his radio remarks this week. (And this article barely mentions it.) He said that Obama had played the race card and planned the whole thing out--apparently by ***making*** Bill say the Jesse Jackson remark back in Feb? Bill essentially said he was entrapped by some sort of Obama racecard conspiracy. ...HUGE accusation (and completely unsubstantiated) to be throwing about. ...But I loved how pissed off Bill sounded when he thought he was off the air.
But the huge accusation wasn't enough. Within 24 hours, he denied ever making his radio remarks. (duh, the youtubes, bill?) He even went out of his way to accuse the reporter of making this up. (Classic Clinton scenario: whenever they accuse someone, they've done something bad themselves.)
I can't speak for the 'black response' to anything. But I'm betting the black response to anything is no more monolithic than the white response. As a lower-income white, rural white-person, I can say that I think that the Clintons are playing up anything they can to win--including drumming up fears that working class white voters won't vote for her black opponent. My lone white-person response/belief is that she's trying to use race (a non-issue for sure) against this candidate.
...Call it by any name you want, but it stinks like hell.- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -8/+1Do you think Hillary Clinton ever hated someone because of their color ? Really rage-based hated ? Obama has.
- Manchowder, on 04/27/2008, -1/+8Obama's mother is white, and Obama was raised by his white mother. I means seriously. This whole "Obama is black" business is getting ridiculous.
- ZenMojo, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1He is black. He's also white. You only want him because he's president, but if he robbed a bank he'd suddenly be "that black guy" wouldn't he?
- WasabiBomb, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Prove it.
- Manchowder, on 04/27/2008, -1/+8Obama's mother is white, and Obama was raised by his white mother. I means seriously. This whole "Obama is black" business is getting ridiculous.
- ladon86, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Link to the youtubes of this, anyone?
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1It's in his book - unless someone found a way to make a youtube out of his words : )
- kyforhillary08, on 04/27/2008, -1/+0Well as for Bill Clinton saying they played the race card on me. They did. As a matter of fact back when Obama won Iowa , which was when, Feb? Obama's co campaign chairman Jessie Jackson Jr said of the win and I quote " the natural reminder her is OJ, How does an Afican American candidate attack a white woman." Of course the Clinton's couldn't say anything about it cause that would be raising the race card.
Frankly, if blacks are going to be in the public eye, they have to realize that they are actually black, and that people can see they are black, just like people could see me. White woman. So, if I say you're black, then damnit your black, cause I see you as black and that is not racist. The street is two way, if blacks can talk about whites, as has happened in this race, then, I'm sorry whites get to talk back. If you find that racist, so be it. You can't make me vote for Obama because he is black, neither can I make you vote for Clinton or MCCain because she is a woman or him a man no matter what color they are. But don't call me racist if I choose not to vote the way you want me to. Which is what you are doing. There is a lot out there about Obama that we are finding it, it is not his skin color, and I find it degrading to all the white people who have voted for him already to have to have found out these things after they voted, who may now wish they could take that vote back. You're right about a lot of this it stinks like hell, that two people who have done more for the AA than any two people in the history of this country are being labled as racists. But one word to the AA's, Obama said he would go with the muslims however the wind blows, so I suspect for all intents and purposes you have chosen the wrong horse in this race, cause I think this may be one time that we should all be on the same page. Go check out all the pages Muslims for Obama, or better yet radical Muslims for Obama, or better yet if it is still there check out the ALJAZEERA web page for Obama. I'm not sure the blacks fit into that category.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -8/+1Do you think Hillary Clinton ever hated someone because of their color ? Really rage-based hated ? Obama has.
- DaDrake, on 04/27/2008, -20/+9Lasting harm on the democratic party? This gets better every day =)
- romistrub, on 04/27/2008, -3/+22Yeah. If I was a Republican, I would probably be very pleased with how this is turning out. Of course, I would probably rolling in my own feces, too, but that's another story.
/low blow... sorry- kipmartin, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2speaking of low blows, DaDrake, hows your sister? sorry that was a nasty crack. um, speaking of nasty crcks, hows your mom, DaDrake? and ...ok, thats enough.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1Come now, Republicans weren't always the corporate loving types we've come to know and love. Heck, a lot of the ones in the populace actually still believe what their party's mantra tells them-if only the people they elected upheld their values, I'd have a lot more respect for the party and wouldn't feel an immediate suspicion when I see one in office. Thanks for furthering the ruination of your party Mr. President :(
Now that I think about it, a lot of this could go for Democrats too. Freaking elected officials.- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4"Come now, Republicans weren't always the corporate loving types we've come to know and love"
Yes, they were. Anything else is a myth.- ssn697, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Oh, PEESHAW!!!! I don't even recognize the Republican party today, compared to even Nixon (although that was the proverbial tipping point).
50's and 60's Republicans must shudder when they see what the party of today has become. This whole country has moved so far right, the Democrats are now the right wing of the "old" republican party. It's true. It really is...
- ssn697, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Oh, PEESHAW!!!! I don't even recognize the Republican party today, compared to even Nixon (although that was the proverbial tipping point).
- regression, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3@ chaosium (the comment system is being screwy)
No, Repubs were not always the corporate loving types...
First, read Eisenhower's 1961 speech about the military industrial complex here... http://tinyurl.com/j3p0
It clearly shows someone who is not in love with corporations...
Also, I'll give you a quote from Abraham Lincoln.
"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. . . .
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes
me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war,
corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places
will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth
is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
Does that seem like someone who is a "corporate loving type"?
Finally, no I am not a republican. I have complete animosity for both major parties.- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I see what you mean, but the very nature of the party has changed, its goals and desires are not going back to that long ago. They are practically two separate entities.
- MrJingle, on 04/27/2008, -1/+0chaosium - "Yes, they were. Anything else is a myth."
What a douche bag. Rewrite history as a myth, then.
Check out the life of Herbert Hoover. Okay, he inherited the depression and the Bonus Army march and the poor living in "Hoovervilles" (a lot of which was really not the fault of his administration), but in his private career he devoted tons of time and his personal fortune toward helping others - to the point that he was unpopular in this country for trying to help Europe rebuild and supply them with much needed humanitarian aid. There was public sentiment that he was doing too much for them after WWI. He was a man of integrity and who embodied what was good about the Republican Party.
Garfield also was a good man, had some crooks in his cabinet, but was still a very good man himself who didn't like the corruption that infiltrated government during Grant's administration, but who was gunned down while in office.
Eisenhower was cited as being very ambivalent and undecided as to with which party to align himself after the war and before entering politics. He was not a fire-breathing spewer of Republican ideals by any means. The peak of his great military career was all carried out under the Democratic Commanders-In-Chief FDR and Truman.
And don't forget what the Democratic party stood for - the tarnished image of the racist "Southern Democrat" was very much alive and carried forth by dear old Jesse Helms and others of his ilk, before he jumped ship, and the aisle, to sit on the Republican side.
I can't believe I'm trying to put over the ideals of the Republican party when I'm a long time registered Democrat. I just hate narrow minded B.S. being put over as fact. There's few things worse than listening to a liberal whine than to listen to one lying while whining.
Fear and despise the Neo Con movement. That is what has brought us today's Republican Party. They are evil and the devil incarnate I think. Don't get stuck in some bitchy "Hilary said this, Hilary said that..." sort of tiresome rant. Work to stand up the best candidate possible and then mobilize to rid the country of the NeoCon ideology. "Pull evil up by the root", to borrow a phrase from their book.
Stand up the best candidate, but it's not Obama. The poor thing would get crushed within a year and a half.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4"Come now, Republicans weren't always the corporate loving types we've come to know and love"
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Pass the popcorn, please.
- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -3/+0I'm loving this. I just wish there were a lot more big-state primaries so both of these left wing pieces of ***** could have their coffers drained dry.
McCain is going to win by 20%. The Left will eat itself alive. Suffer, you bastards!- chaosium, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1"The Left will eat itself alive. Suffer, you bastards!"
Our country's identity is changing. One way or another we're getting ready for some growing pains.
- chaosium, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1"The Left will eat itself alive. Suffer, you bastards!"
- romistrub, on 04/27/2008, -3/+22Yeah. If I was a Republican, I would probably be very pleased with how this is turning out. Of course, I would probably rolling in my own feces, too, but that's another story.
- Awspire, on 04/27/2008, -20/+11I love how this article lays blame on Clinton for a racial divide. Yet, nearly 90% of the black vote went to Obama in Pennsylvania. While the white vote for Obama was nearly split, and thats after his scandalous comments on claiming bitterness is why citizens hold certain values important.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -9/+9but you don't understand. If you are white and you vote for Clinton or McCain. You by definition, are a racist. At least by the definition of those who vote for Obama. I am a proud conservative and will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever vote for a liberal. NEVER. I have never voted for a liberal and I have been voting for 30 years. I voted for Bush twice, but he was not my conservative of choice, but he was on the ballot. I doubt I will vote for McCain, but I will not vote for Clinton or Obama. My liberal friends have told me that I was a racist if I did not vote for Obama. Why I asked, if I have never vote for a liberal and never will can you call me a racist? There only answer is that all conservatives are racist.
- sovereign3, on 04/27/2008, -4/+10Surely you're not bragging about voting for Bush-- TWICE! No one has ever said that voting against Obama makes you a racist. However, what does need to be noted is that there are many who won't vote for Obama because they themselves say they "can't vote for a black man" to be President. I'm not accusing you or any other conservative a racist, but there conservatives and liberals alike who will not vote for a black president. That is not a mischaracterization.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -3/+7No I am not bragging, I am simply stating a fact and why. Yes, I have been called a racist because I would not vote for Obama. I would vote for a black man that represented my views. Obama is not that man. The only people that have called me a racist, are liberals.
- staticneuron, on 04/27/2008, -0/+7And with that this is not about you. Voting for who you believe in is great. Voting against/for someone based solely off of race is racist.
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -4/+8Fine, don't vote for Obama. That won't make you a racist.
...If you're 'friends' are telling you this would make you a racist, they are just making a larger commentary about the way you relate with the rest of the world: You're friends just think you're a bigot, dude.- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -7/+2Don't know about all that, but AL sharpton is hinting at trouble if obama loses.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3"AL sharpton is hinting at trouble if obama loses"
I like your assumption that all blacks do is riot, stay classy.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3"AL sharpton is hinting at trouble if obama loses"
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -7/+2Don't know about all that, but AL sharpton is hinting at trouble if obama loses.
- virtualball, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7Your friends are idiots and you're an idiot for believing them. That's like saying, "If you support the White Sox, you must hate black people!" It's just stupid, people are allowed to like anyone they want. Also, voting by party is dumb as hell. If you want an example, look who you voted for... twice!
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2Yep, twice, but the other option was Gore or Kerry. I picked the lessor of two evils. This time, I am just not going to vote
- Bulletbillx, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1You could have voted for a 3rd party and got them that much closer to federal funding.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2"This time, I am just not going to vote"
Kill yourself while you're at it.
- virtualball, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Because the the other "evil" is currently rallying support for the environment and the other "evil" wanted to get out of our current "conflict" in Iraq! Sheesh, you are so blind, it's ridiculous! Don't vote, America doesn't need you! :)
EDIT: This is meant for phillip, sorry for the inconvenience.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2Yep, twice, but the other option was Gore or Kerry. I picked the lessor of two evils. This time, I am just not going to vote
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -2/+8I think the real problem is your adamant denial of legitimacy any Liberal candidate may ever have. That's silly. A two-year old can tell you both parties have things to offer the country and if they actually tried working together instead of letting spin-news twist the populace this world would be a pretty nice place.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -8/+2Please tell me what a liberal has to offer me? Why should I vote for any liberal?
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1I am still waiting for a reply!
- meesle110, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Whats the point really? 30 years of voting for republicans and you've never figured it out? Your never going to change and your values seem pretty rooted in your beliefs. add +1 diggs to the old white guy's score.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -8/+2Please tell me what a liberal has to offer me? Why should I vote for any liberal?
- XFARB6, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Hmmmm. You voted for Bush twice, but he was not your conservative of choice. Jesse Helms was not available. Now, you are just not going to vote. That's the best news I have heard today.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1You just proved my point.
- mancat, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3I hate to suggest such a wild thing, but there is a WRITE-IN box so that you may vote for the conservative of your choice.
- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -1/+0" I voted for Bush twice, but he was not my conservative of choice, but he was on the ballot."
Agreed. Both Bush and McCain are too liberal for my taste. I want a President who will veto nine spending bills out of ten, and cut the government back to 1890 levels.
- sovereign3, on 04/27/2008, -4/+10Surely you're not bragging about voting for Bush-- TWICE! No one has ever said that voting against Obama makes you a racist. However, what does need to be noted is that there are many who won't vote for Obama because they themselves say they "can't vote for a black man" to be President. I'm not accusing you or any other conservative a racist, but there conservatives and liberals alike who will not vote for a black president. That is not a mischaracterization.
- philipl411, on 04/27/2008, -9/+9but you don't understand. If you are white and you vote for Clinton or McCain. You by definition, are a racist. At least by the definition of those who vote for Obama. I am a proud conservative and will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever vote for a liberal. NEVER. I have never voted for a liberal and I have been voting for 30 years. I voted for Bush twice, but he was not my conservative of choice, but he was on the ballot. I doubt I will vote for McCain, but I will not vote for Clinton or Obama. My liberal friends have told me that I was a racist if I did not vote for Obama. Why I asked, if I have never vote for a liberal and never will can you call me a racist? There only answer is that all conservatives are racist.
- gwayo, on 04/27/2008, -5/+8"All she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her." As someone who initially thought she would support Hillary if she were the nominee, I hate to say that now, all Hillary has to do is grin that fake grin for me not to believe her. I hate that I have very little respect for the Clintons anymore.
On the other hand, I don't think this means "irreparable damage." Yes, the Clintons have successfully made a certain demographic of their supporters 'hate' Obama. That sucks. But people are fickle. I don't see democratic black voters suddenly turning into Republicans due to this. Or not voting, either. Maybe the younger generation would bow out, but there are few minorities I know, including myself, who don't find it their duty to vote even when it's for the lesser of two evils. Our ancestors couldn't vote, and I believe that you have no right to complain about an elected official if you didn't vote.
All this to say, I think this is all media drama.- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3The point is not that this *is* irreparable...but that it could be..*if* in the end HRC is seen/received as trying to destroy Obama's candidacy purely so that she can run again in 2012 and *if* in so doing she seems/appears to be willing to stir up race-based fear.
Bill and Hill are definitely drumming up fear (imo) that Obama can't win because of race. If she wins, not only is there a great risk that black voters will stay home--but many white voters will too. Noone can say how many--but there is a definite risk for this doing major harm to the party...not just for this election cycle, but possibly causing a party-implosion.
If HRC 'wins' this nomination, there's a real chance that we may have a true 3 party system next time around.- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1"If HRC 'wins' this nomination, there's a real chance that we may have a true 3 party system next time around."
I sincerely doubt this, unless Soros wants to take a huge, expensive gamble.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1"If HRC 'wins' this nomination, there's a real chance that we may have a true 3 party system next time around."
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1"Grin that fake grin" ? That sentence was all I needed to read to learn everything I needed to know about you. : )
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3The point is not that this *is* irreparable...but that it could be..*if* in the end HRC is seen/received as trying to destroy Obama's candidacy purely so that she can run again in 2012 and *if* in so doing she seems/appears to be willing to stir up race-based fear.
- farkis, on 04/27/2008, -28/+4
- cheezintern, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6"and she should because most democrats support her they just can't make it to the polls)"
So did you personally knock on everyone's doors? Wait a sec, are you from fox news?- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5He is very confused. I'm pretty sure most democrats who didn't make it to the polls were Obama supporters.
Assuming we're talking about Michigan and Florida-hard to support your candidate when he's not on the ballot and all that.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5He is very confused. I'm pretty sure most democrats who didn't make it to the polls were Obama supporters.
- gwolf, on 04/27/2008, -3/+10farkis, do us a favor and tell us the name of the medication your on.
- virtualball, on 04/27/2008, -4/+9"Anyway, that'll alienate all the white people"
Really? Obama has gotten a lot of attention because he has brought a lot of blacks and whites together. Personally, I'm white and an Obama supporter.- hittnrun, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3We are so proud of you. lol
- cheezintern, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6"and she should because most democrats support her they just can't make it to the polls)"
- nastronomical, on 04/27/2008, -15/+8What the hell has Liberals done for blacks?
- Whackly, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7Very little. But very little is better than the backwards step offered by the conservatives.
- PorchSong, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2And of course, by conservatives, you mean: emancipation, and civil rights? Only thing the Liberals did for blacks was to get Dr. Martin Luther King's son out of prison. Dr. King, a republican, went to the Republican party regarding his son and was turned away. He went to the Democrats, and they helped him out. Since then, all blacks have been solid Democrats.
History son, history, read it, reflect on it or you will be destine to repeat it. Republicans have furthered the cause of Blacks significantly more than the Democrats. Democrats only want there votes. Highest office held by a Black while Democrats in office: Sec. of Education, under Clinton with a Dems having both houses. Republicans: Supreme Court, Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, or just go here:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm? ...
Where is the Democratic list?: Oh yeah, Jesse Jackson, Charles Rangle, and Al Shaprton -- fine collection there.- Whackly, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Anyone can install tokens to distract from the excersized agenda.
- PorchSong, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2And of course, by conservatives, you mean: emancipation, and civil rights? Only thing the Liberals did for blacks was to get Dr. Martin Luther King's son out of prison. Dr. King, a republican, went to the Republican party regarding his son and was turned away. He went to the Democrats, and they helped him out. Since then, all blacks have been solid Democrats.
- Scheissen, on 04/27/2008, -4/+4What have blacks done for me? Why should I then be expected to pay reparations for something my family wasn't here for?
- Smuhamm, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3reparations we do not need, we have educated ourselves in all arenas and indeed AMERICANS, Equality and justice for all is my reparations, Barack is saying forgive the past, lets move on to the furthers as true brothers and sisters in Unity for a better future, helping one another in what ever way we can. GO INTO YOUR HEART and it will mirror UNITY, you know you want it too.
- hittnrun, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Barack?? Isn't his real name Barry?
- Smuhamm, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3reparations we do not need, we have educated ourselves in all arenas and indeed AMERICANS, Equality and justice for all is my reparations, Barack is saying forgive the past, lets move on to the furthers as true brothers and sisters in Unity for a better future, helping one another in what ever way we can. GO INTO YOUR HEART and it will mirror UNITY, you know you want it too.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -4/+4Destroyed the inner city Black family with welfare rules that don't permit the father to stay in the house.
- Whackly, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7Very little. But very little is better than the backwards step offered by the conservatives.
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -16/+21Liberals have referred to Bush as a boy and they've even portrayed him as a monkey.
Until we can do the same with Blacks without being called racist, racism will be alive and well.- publiclurker, on 04/27/2008, -6/+15Of course, said black would have to be as much of a bungling monkey as Bush, but other than that, you are correct.
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1What if in my opinion Bush wasn't a bungling monkey? Doesn't that make you racist?
- Whackly, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6Bush is compared to a monkey because he's an idiot that probably flings poo. If you think Barak is a stupid poo flinger than I don't think it's racist to compare him to a monkey. If you're comparing him to a monkey because he has darker skin and ancestors in Africa that might be getting a bit racist. If you compare him to a monkey to be insulting and exploit a stereotype for maximum effect that's just plain racist. It's all about context and intent.
- Smuhamm, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1racism does not have to be unless you enjoy division. If you do than you are in a box and it is time to come out, there are other things going on outside that box. If you want to stay in then so the rest of the world is getting ready to seal up that box with duct tape and put it in the attic. COME OUT THE BOX, start enjoying the life of HOPE, CHANGE and UNITY.
- Whackly, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Are you responding to me? WTF.
- Smuhamm, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1racism does not have to be unless you enjoy division. If you do than you are in a box and it is time to come out, there are other things going on outside that box. If you want to stay in then so the rest of the world is getting ready to seal up that box with duct tape and put it in the attic. COME OUT THE BOX, start enjoying the life of HOPE, CHANGE and UNITY.
- ogisdan, on 04/27/2008, -11/+4That is taken completely out of context. Bush is compared to a monkey because he is dimwitted and lacks what most people consider intellectual qualities (his rhetorical ability being one). One thing that will keep racism alive will be ignorant people like you.
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Weasel words.
Are you saying that is the only time such derision is warranted? What if I disagree with the assessment? Doesn't that then make you racist?
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Weasel words.
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -9/+8Bush as an idiot? .....yes.
Bush as incompetent? .....yes.
Bush as a big spender? .....yes.
Bush as sidekick to evil VP? ......yes.
Bush as self-serving? ......yes.
Bush as out of touch with avg joe (ie 'gas might be 4 bucks a gallon')? .....yes.
Bush as not taking care of our veterans? ....yes.
Bush as taking care of his cronies? .....yes.
Bush as not caring about 'democratic values' here at home? .....yes.
Bush as plain old moron? ......yes.
Bush as monkey boy? ....nuh uh.- nycmac247, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4http://www.bushorchimp.com/
?????- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1I am offended by that display of overt racism.
- jforjools, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1I stand corrected! Monkey boy it is.
- nycmac247, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4http://www.bushorchimp.com/
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -6/+9Every one of you heard what happened when Geoff Davis called Obama a boy because Obama is inexperienced and naive.
The wise take note. If Obama wins, there will be no criticizing him without being accused of racism.- ZenMojo, on 04/27/2008, -4/+4Except he's not inexperienced and naive. The fact that people keep calling a 46 year old man with 12 years of experience in elected office a "boy" and people like you try to defend it is plainly racist ... and ass-hattish, too. It's a fundamental disrespect that implies black people have to be MORE of something than white people to stand on equal ground. Racism.
- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1When has any white man with a resumé as pitifully scanty as Obama's ever come close to winning the nomination for either party? 10 years of back bench obscurity in a state legislature, and 2 years on the back bench of the Senate without a single meaningful accomplishment to his name. What a joke.
- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1When has any white man with a resumé as pitifully scanty as Obama's ever come close to winning the nomination for either party? 10 years of back bench obscurity in a state legislature, and 2 years on the back bench of the Senate without a single meaningful accomplishment to his name. What a joke.
- ZenMojo, on 04/27/2008, -4/+4Except he's not inexperienced and naive. The fact that people keep calling a 46 year old man with 12 years of experience in elected office a "boy" and people like you try to defend it is plainly racist ... and ass-hattish, too. It's a fundamental disrespect that implies black people have to be MORE of something than white people to stand on equal ground. Racism.
- ogisdan, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3how is this douche bag getting positive diggs? this thread fails.
- dammerung, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5It is my understanding that calling a black man "boy" is extremely demeaning because that is the term slave owners used to address their slaves, and its present usage is perceived as a direct reference to this. And of course the problem with referring to a black person as a monkey is that this sort of term is used to imply blacks are subhuman. So directing these insults at a white person does not compare to directing them at a black person.
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Racist.
Geoff Davis never owned slaves.
Don't you think the implication was that Bush is subhuman?- dammerung, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- BECoole, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Racist.
- publiclurker, on 04/27/2008, -6/+15Of course, said black would have to be as much of a bungling monkey as Bush, but other than that, you are correct.
- nastronomical, on 04/27/2008, -25/+8A living lie
By Thomas Sowell
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | An e-mail from a reader said that, while Hillary Clinton tells lies, Barack Obama is himself a lie. That is becoming painfully apparent with each new revelation of how drastically his carefully crafted image this election year contrasts with what he has actually been saying and doing for many years.
Senator Obama's election year image is that of a man who can bring the country together, overcoming differences of party or race, as well as solving our international problems by talking with Iran and other countries with which we are at odds, and performing other miscellaneous miracles as needed.
There is, of course, not a speck of evidence that Obama has ever transcended party differences in the United States Senate. Voting records analyzed by the National Journal show him to be the farthest left of anyone in the Senate. Nor has he sponsored any significant bipartisan legislation — nor any other significant legislation, for that matter.
Senator Obama is all talk — glib talk, exciting talk, confident talk, but still just talk.
Some of his recent talk in San Francisco has stirred up controversy because it revealed yet another blatant contradiction between Barack Obama's public image and his reality.
Speaking privately to supporters in heavily left-liberal San Francisco, Obama let down his hair and described working class people in Pennsylvania as so "bitter" that they "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them."
Like so much that Obama has said and done over the years, this is standard stuff on the far left, where guns and religion are regarded as signs of psychological dysfunction — and where opinions different from those of the left are ascribed to emotions ("bitter" in this case), rather than to arguments that need to be answered.
Like so many others on the left, Obama rejects "stereotypes" when they are stereotypes he doesn't like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about "a typical white person" or "bitter" gun-toting, religious and racist working class people.
In politics, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a "clarification," when people react adversely to what was plainly said.
Obama and his supporters were still busy "clarifying" Jeremiah Wright's very plain statements when it suddenly became necessary to "clarify" Senator Obama's own statements in San Francisco.
People who have been cheering whistle-blowers for years have suddenly denounced the person who blew the whistle on what Obama said in private that is so contradictory to what he has been saying in public.
However inconsistent Obama's words, his behavior has been remarkably consistent over the years. He has sought out and joined with the radical, anti-Western left, whether Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers of the terrorist Weatherman underground or pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Rashid Khalidi.
Obama is also part of a long tradition on the left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.
Karl Marx said, "The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing." In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda.
Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw included the working class among the "detestable" people who "have no right to live." He added: "I should despair if I did not know that they will all die presently, and that there is no need on earth why they should be replaced by people like themselves."
Similar statements on the left go back as far as Rousseau in the 18th century and come forward into our own times.
It is understandable that young people are so strongly attracted to Obama. Youth is another name for inexperience — and experience is what is most needed when dealing with skillful and charismatic demagogues.
Those of us old enough to have seen the type again and again over the years can no longer find them exciting. Instead, they are as tedious as they are dangerous.- Unriggable, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7Isn't it ironic how a news piece is lying about Barack Obama, to prove that he himself is a lie? I would go argument by argument, disproving this, but its too long and too irelevant, and with the help of a few more diggers, won't need to be seen by the public eye ever again.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -6/+1I'm sure you could go toe to toe with Thomas Sowell.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5It's not hard with this article-from the first he talks nonsense, calling Barack the "most liberal". Well alright, according to that one study. I've got another that paints him as one of the least. It's easy, statistics are easily swayed one way or another. Hillary is at least, if not more Liberal based on her statistics assigned to her in these accompanying polls.
Let's talk about important bills he's passed.- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1"Let's talk about important bills he's passed"
...chirp...chirp.... - InnerRayg, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Like I said, my links dissapeared, I concede that I am a moron this time around.
- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1"Let's talk about important bills he's passed"
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Well *****, where did all my links go? Alright, I officially deserve the "retarded" title this time. You've won the battle :O
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5It's not hard with this article-from the first he talks nonsense, calling Barack the "most liberal". Well alright, according to that one study. I've got another that paints him as one of the least. It's easy, statistics are easily swayed one way or another. Hillary is at least, if not more Liberal based on her statistics assigned to her in these accompanying polls.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -6/+1I'm sure you could go toe to toe with Thomas Sowell.
- 3tcp, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3use a link, long posts are easier to ignore by buryng them than by scrolling past them
- meesle110, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Dude, why don't you just leave digg?
- Unriggable, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7Isn't it ironic how a news piece is lying about Barack Obama, to prove that he himself is a lie? I would go argument by argument, disproving this, but its too long and too irelevant, and with the help of a few more diggers, won't need to be seen by the public eye ever again.
- Zlorp, on 04/27/2008, -7/+5cant we all just get along?
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I hope so.
- cheezintern, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9Hillary doesn't care.
- NightVortez, on 04/27/2008, -6/+25Ridiculous, Obama does not represent the African American community, nor does Clinton/McCain represent the high class Caucasian community, the fact that we have people voting based off their race or sex is absolutely disgusting, and it seems like if anything it's the media that's trying to divide the people, just extending their collectivism agenda by assigning who you should support based on your look.
- 3tcp, on 04/27/2008, -14/+6Vote NO to minorities in 2008!!
Vote NO to men in 2012!!
Hillary Clinton in 2012!!
Vote NO to (shhh....) anti-american muslim elitists in 2008
...just summarizing clinton's campaign strategy atm- slearwig, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Which minority are you?
- 3tcp, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1You suck at being thurough
- slearwig, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2>...just summarizing clinton's campaign strategy atm
I misread your comment and I'm sorry. I wish I could edit mine.
- slearwig, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Which minority are you?
- colincornaby, on 04/27/2008, -2/+23Racial divide? I do worry about a divide, but not a racial one. If you look at the polls, it's young people vs. older people. I'm tired of people trying to frame this as black people against white people.
- sovereign3, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9Obviously a black/white divide is far more provocative that a divide among young vs. old.
- Smuhamm, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Provocation with racism only happens with the older generation who either experienced it or dished it out in their hay day. race, religion,age,gender, culture, ethnic,origin should be taken off any and all applications, school entrance, insurances, medical, employment etc. The Government are the perpetuations of this racism. How come it just can't be Human beings.... check here!!!!
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Yes, I agree: there is a huge age divide. .
..But one of the issues that's part of this is race. (And no, I"m not saying all old people think one way and all young people think another way regarding race. The polling data just shows that's a real difference between young and old--which could also correlate as a difference in race views.)
...But the race thing is unfortunately not limited to certain age groups. It may, however, be showing itself more strongly in some age groups. - jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -5/+3Fortunately the older people far outvote the young people.
- oldgal, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3Yes, and given the general situation in the nation today, I would say we have done a wonderful job of screwing things up. Given your statement, it must be us older people who gave George W. 8 years. Speaking as an older person, I find our youth much brighter, more tolerant and more creative than us and think the time has come for a younger point of view with more creative solutions. I actually had more to say, but I'm having a McCain moment and can't remember...
- RRJackson, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2I love the way there's this constant inference that "old people" are only voting for Clinton because they're...well, you know...they're OLD. It's usually left open-ended, but it seems to infer, 'uninformed' or 'out of touch.' Cause our educational system has only gotten better since those fogies got out of school. Heh...
- jamessavik, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2I don't see tons of whites voting for McCain or Clinton simply because they are white.
There is some racism in this race and it isn't coming from the usual suspects.- zazzalicious, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Maybe that is because, historically, all the major candidates have been white... and by and large represented white interests?
If all major candidates had been non-white for a few centuries and white people had been marginalised, stigmatised, enslaved during that time and then a white candidate came along, who knows?
- zazzalicious, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Maybe that is because, historically, all the major candidates have been white... and by and large represented white interests?
- sovereign3, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9Obviously a black/white divide is far more provocative that a divide among young vs. old.
- robthom, on 04/27/2008, -4/+8A viable third party is overdue IMO. I agree with some of the loopy liberals on the left, and some of the killer robots on the right, but there should be a party for moderates and sane people in the middle. I think Obama would be a good fit there.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2The Obamessiah (pbuh) is a hyper-partisan. Why you Cultists keep insisting he's in the middle is beyond me.
- robthom, on 04/27/2008, -0/+6You would probley belong to the killer robot party, and that way everybody has something to belong to that more closely represents their interests
- robthom, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2BTW, Ron Paul would probably be an excellent candidate for a third party also. Either of those two would be excellent alternatives to the system of lesser evils we've devolved into. It would work as a tie breaker to keep all three parties on their toes and not so smugly assured about their built in support base. It would provoke much better candidates all around.
- Handcannons, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Obama is the most liberal senator today, what makes you think he'd be a good representative for moderates?
- Bulletbillx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1I think there should be even more than 3 viable parties. That way everyone could vote for candidates that were closer to their beliefs compared to the current two party situation.
- ShadowMerchant, on 04/27/2008, -1/+0Oh yes, let's model our political system on Italy's. Great idea.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2The Obamessiah (pbuh) is a hyper-partisan. Why you Cultists keep insisting he's in the middle is beyond me.
- ogisdan, on 04/27/2008, -5/+5I have a feeling nastronomical is no more than a bigoted Hilary supporter.
- NelsonR, on 04/27/2008, -3/+13Watched another Hillary supporter James Carville continue the same old rhetoric of "MORE DEBATES". We all know why, the Hillary sleaze machine is on Que. James is losing a cushy promised crony job in Washington D.C. and he does not like Matalin supporting him.
No more debates, no more slime from the power mongers, the Clinton's, no more insanity.
The shame of it all, Hillary could care less about the Democratic Party, it's all about Hillary and Bill. Both snakes who desire a monarchy in the U.S. Gosh, I don't know about the rest of you but the names of Bush and Clinton's should dissolve into history, I'm sick of hearing about race and her popular vote standing which is another Bosnian Lie. Hillary and Bill have no shame and I hope all ethnicity's see them for what they are. Now, duck here comes incoming sniper fire. - rowlodge, on 04/27/2008, -3/+11shes the queen of denial.
- kije, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3I didn't know she's Egyptian.
- FENWAYFREAK, on 04/27/2008, -10/+9Not to be racist, but potentially quitting the party because your race didnt win? Thats a little pathetic.
- jforjools, on 04/27/2008, -2/+12You've missed the point entirely. This isn't about race allegiance. It's about Hill and Bill being willing to use anyting--including race fear--to be sure that their opponent loses. They're out of line.
- Smuhamm, on 04/27/2008, -0/+6I do not think it is because of race but because of those who play it to the hilt. It's the game, race should not be an issue but someone played it for a reason. Barack did not want it to be about race Hilliary made it about race. She approved all that came out about race she did not defend it when it came out therefore she approved it. She needed that division DIVIDED STATES OF AMERICA =HILLIARY, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA=BARACK OBAMA
- MikeFallopian, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1Except, HIllary didn't make it about race. The media latched onto the Wright sermons because it captured people's attention. Clinton and Obama have both made personal, divisive attacks. They both want to win at all costs. As they should.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1If Obama had been the uniter you claim him to be - and he claims for himself - then he would have not been so quick to dismiss Hillary Clintons olive branch about sharing a ticket. He showed on that day his arrogance toward the office. Swept half the party right out the door with his refusal. Nope. Mr Obama. You wont get this boys vote. Unless you unite BOTH halves of the party. After your arrogant dismissal - Good luck on that.
- zazzalicious, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Clinton offered Obama the vice president ship? And he was in the lead? duh...
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1You guys took it that way. What she offered was a shared ticket - whoever was on top and Obama copped the same attitude you just did.
nuff said.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1You guys took it that way. What she offered was a shared ticket - whoever was on top and Obama copped the same attitude you just did.
- zazzalicious, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Clinton offered Obama the vice president ship? And he was in the lead? duh...
- SaperKain, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Nobody is quitting anybody boy, we are united in common belief that republicans deserve epic ass whooping in next election. So in that respect you can say that Bush was a uniter.
- oldgal, on 04/27/2008, -0/+7Given that Hillary had more black support than Obama in the beginning, I would doubt that race is the reason blacks might leave the party.
- ZenMojo, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5Hillary had more black support than Obama until late January! She had twice as much until December!
- Spoomeister, on 04/27/2008, -6/+13Good. The Democratic party is long overdue to be blown up and split up. We need a true leftist party, and a true centrist party. Not this timid shell that accomplishes nothing for either leftists or centrists.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Great strategy - split the party so neither group has enough votes to win.
- coreman, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Maybe. If the moderate/centrist party were what it was, there would probably be a significant move of registrations from the Republican Party to it as well, especially if it were to espouse even a semblance of fiscal discipline...
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2"especially if it were to espouse even a semblance of fiscal discipline..."
Republicans don't vote for Fiscal discipline. They vote for fear.
This is proven time and again.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2"especially if it were to espouse even a semblance of fiscal discipline..."
- coreman, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Maybe. If the moderate/centrist party were what it was, there would probably be a significant move of registrations from the Republican Party to it as well, especially if it were to espouse even a semblance of fiscal discipline...
- NelsonR, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1The necessity for more parties is apparent, more foxes to keep tabs of the other foxes in the present pork barrel capitol of the world led by cronyism. When you have more rats they have a tendency to be envious of the other rats and "RAT OUT" on them. Can't get any clearer for my regards for our servants of the people. Now, you have those in power kept in power for those who expect something for nothing, be it a job, a perk, a favor or just plain power over another and his daily life.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Great strategy - split the party so neither group has enough votes to win.
- Langford, on 04/27/2008, -2/+10I fear it may already be too late. Hillary may have already given McCain the election.
- jamessavik, on 04/27/2008, -8/+1Nope. That would be Mr. Hussien Obama that handed the race to McCain on a silver platter.
- zazzalicious, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Wow, incisive political wit at work... sits back in admiration...
- jamessavik, on 04/27/2008, -8/+1Nope. That would be Mr. Hussien Obama that handed the race to McCain on a silver platter.
- hollyminkowski, on 04/27/2008, -4/+4There is no way that Hillary or Obama will be elected in 2008. Both are now damaged beyond repair. Both have a sizable fraction of their supporters that will not vote for the other. If they are combined in a single ticket they gain some support but in many ways double their negatives. There are too many must-win states that Obama is doing extremely poorly in..there are too many people that simply despise Hillary.
The super delegates better hold off and on the second ballot bring in a dark horse candidate or it will be President McCain.- zazzalicious, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3McCain seems like a decent guy... it is a bit worrying that he doesn't really know much about anything... e.g. 'Do condoms help stop the transmission of Aids, ummmm, don't know', 'Al Quaeda is operating out of Iran'. Does America really want another clueless President?
- nycmac247, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6McCain will win and then step down due to cancer.
Romney will then make sure that we truly become (not just join) Mexico
Peace be with you, brothers and sisters - the ride is just beginning- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Hahahah roving banditos will beat up US rednecks just like US rednecks beat up the other minorities.
- ssn697, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Can you also predict who will win the World Series? How about some stock picks, oh great seer, sayer, soothsayer?
- RRJackson, on 04/27/2008, -6/+6They fear the attacks between candidates could do lasting harm, so they attack Senator Clinton. Partisan newspapers are such a load of crap. We've never really had a very good press in this country, though. Don't try to argue that point in an American journalism class (I've been shot to pieces for digging into it too much a couple of times), but "freedom of the press" in this country really meant that business owners were free to promote their interests in newspapers they owned without fear of government intervention. Pulitzer and Hearst turned the volume WAY up and laid the groundwork for the level of "journalism" we all enjoy today. There have been moments here and there, but basically we soak up as much propaganda as any citizenry. The biggest difference is that we have the "freedom" to read propaganda representing the interests of industry instead of just government propaganda. Watching hacks like this sensationalize a race that's practically neck-and-neck is just one more illustration of how poorly we're being served.
- Pherdnut, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I don't know how old you are but from my perspective the press has taken a drastic turn for the worse since the Telecom Act of '96 deregulated it, IMO.
- redneo, on 04/27/2008, -9/+7Thank you for playing into Rush Limbaugh's hands. This asswipe is major cause of this.
- amightywind, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9Operation Chaos is executing according to plan!
- NelsonR, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5Now, be nice to Rush, he is an obese pharmaceutical giant of giants. Remember the hypocrisy of the Republican party with all their adultery, tapping in men's rooms, Evangelical hate mongers and yes, Rush Limbaugh the pill popping mind conservatives love and adore. Shows you where a repugnant conservatives hearts and thinking capacities are at. Gotta laugh they are the "Moral Authority in America".
- amightywind, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Hillbilly Heroin or no, Rush isn't running for office. Besides Rush is no worse than the coke snorting Obama in this respect. I wonder, did Obama ever deal?
- hittnrun, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5I am sure he did some pushin'. The libs will be justifying and nuancing reasons why he HAD to sell drugs to school children and how "everybody was doin' it", come on ya'll. lol
Trainwreck...Chooo, Chooo
- hittnrun, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5I am sure he did some pushin'. The libs will be justifying and nuancing reasons why he HAD to sell drugs to school children and how "everybody was doin' it", come on ya'll. lol
- amightywind, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Hillbilly Heroin or no, Rush isn't running for office. Besides Rush is no worse than the coke snorting Obama in this respect. I wonder, did Obama ever deal?
- ZenMojo, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3The only thing Rush accomplished was saving Hillary's ass in Texas by shifting 100 thousand Republican votes to her in the primary and driving up the rac divide artificially in Mississippi (why else would a quarter of Hillary Clinton's white supporters HATE HER MORE THAN MCCAIN and not vote for her in November?) The rest of this is just Hillary's fault.
- jab9990, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4I see the Republinazis still control the media...
- shyboy2008, on 04/27/2008, -5/+4Viacom and GE controls the media and they are liberals.
- SaperKain, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5The internets are liberals too. You have nowhere to hide. Run run there are liberals under your bed.
- Bulletbillx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5I doubt GE is liberal. They're a ***** defense contractor.
- chaosium, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2The only thing worse than the media is words liike "republinazis".
- shyboy2008, on 04/27/2008, -5/+4Viacom and GE controls the media and they are liberals.
- Bkaufman, on 04/27/2008, -3/+14There is nothing more enjoyable to me than watching the Democrat party tear itself apart. Not that I like McCain, but he is going to waltz into the White House after Hillary gets finished making Obama unelectable.
- fani, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5Watching the current state of affairs, I would be very happy if the Democrats split into 2 new parties - democrats-with-balls and democrat-pussies.
- drfluffer, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Hillary is the only democrat with balls.
- trickyt, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3must... suppress... mental... image...
- StrykeBlade, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Yeah, and you suck on both of them every night....save face and get some dignity man!
- drfluffer, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1You're being jealous.
- drfluffer, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Hillary is the only democrat with balls.
- WebWizard, on 04/27/2008, -3/+9Well, I'll be just as upset as any African American if Hillary takes the nomination by anything less than a resounding, uncontroversial win.(50ish white guy). Happily, that is just not going to happen, so I'm putting my energy into trying to stay positive and focused on seeing him through to a primary win and onward. It's so important that we all come together in the end, stand up tall and proud, and reclaim this country.
It's almost shocking to hear Obama speak, after all the muck of the last 8 years. Brings tears to my eyes. I hear people saying that he's all talk, but my heart doesn't believe that at all. We've waited for years for a real leader who has intelligence coupled with common sense and the ability to communicate with such clarity and power. Not many of those around any more. I believe that that is the foremost quality of great leaders. The ability to lead strongly while listening clearly.
There is a vocal minority who will find the idea of Barack in the White House very threatening. I believe that we can choose to stand strong and simply not give the name callers and hate inciters any traction. 'Cause that's all they got, and it just a bunch of recycled hot air. Schoolyard stuff. And I can't see a Hillary 2012 run. She was divisive going in this year, and it would tough to get any momentum in four years,- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3WebWhiner ... you honestly thing the only reason people don't want Obama in the whitehouse is because they feel threatened by the idea ? So laughable. He's not the best candidate. He doesn't have the resounding lead you require of her - so what gives Mr Apologist : ) Do you cry at movies too ? ( it's ok, a lot of people do - it's what entertainment is designed to do ) C'mon. You are being played like a violin.
- rezist, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1He called Obama an African American. the man is bi-racial, to refer to him as anything else is ignorant and racist. This man represents the common Obama supporter... we're all still Dems. but come on who the ***** are you people? You are absolutely blind to the current state of our collective society. There will be no minority pres. any time soon (UNFORTUNATELY) Hillary will break laws to win and the U.S. needs a Dem. in office that can work the system. Do you people think that you can CHANGE the entire country's political workings (as well as global?) go start a riot somewhere, protest, mail anthrax, volunteer, do something just don't send this decent man (obama) to slaughter.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2You sound a bit pessimistic rezist. Obama is bi-racial - but he identifies himself as african-american. How can it be racist - or bigoted - to refer to the man as he refers to himself. Obama is not a bad man now. I believe that he was at one time - but has worked his way up to a place where he can be civil. I think there is a place for him in government - just not at the presidency. His felony drug use and racist hatred all ruled him out from my pick list. If he's truly grown from that - then lets get him on committees to deal with race relations and helping keep kids like he was off of the hard stuff.
- rezist, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1thanks for your response... I agree with you on the points you raised, as well as many positive points raised with regards to Obama's political career. That aside I will address the fact that while many Dems. are forward thinking progressive and open minded, this does not represent the majority of the citizens in America. I believe that it is foolish to assume that the U.S. will vote a minority into office. (if he gains the nomination I will vote for him though) As for what Obama refers to himself as, I could care less because it doesn't change the fact that he is American, and bi-racial. I have several friends from Africa, they aren't bi-racial, yet they are African Americans. They are "Black." The majority of Americans who laugh at these types of distinctions, or are ignorant to them are part of the reason our country has such a racial rift. Labels matter to people... and as a person who has worked very hard to improve race relations in my local communities I fail to see the reasoning behind throwing this election for the sake of "change." We need a Dem. in office and Hillary will break laws to get there. Globally political systems are corrupt and broken, you can't "change" them. But you can bring troops home, secure abortion rights, allow gay marriages, reduce the debt, on and on... Obama's great but he's going to be destroyed by the Reps.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2You sound a bit pessimistic rezist. Obama is bi-racial - but he identifies himself as african-american. How can it be racist - or bigoted - to refer to the man as he refers to himself. Obama is not a bad man now. I believe that he was at one time - but has worked his way up to a place where he can be civil. I think there is a place for him in government - just not at the presidency. His felony drug use and racist hatred all ruled him out from my pick list. If he's truly grown from that - then lets get him on committees to deal with race relations and helping keep kids like he was off of the hard stuff.
- rezist, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1He called Obama an African American. the man is bi-racial, to refer to him as anything else is ignorant and racist. This man represents the common Obama supporter... we're all still Dems. but come on who the ***** are you people? You are absolutely blind to the current state of our collective society. There will be no minority pres. any time soon (UNFORTUNATELY) Hillary will break laws to win and the U.S. needs a Dem. in office that can work the system. Do you people think that you can CHANGE the entire country's political workings (as well as global?) go start a riot somewhere, protest, mail anthrax, volunteer, do something just don't send this decent man (obama) to slaughter.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3WebWhiner ... you honestly thing the only reason people don't want Obama in the whitehouse is because they feel threatened by the idea ? So laughable. He's not the best candidate. He doesn't have the resounding lead you require of her - so what gives Mr Apologist : ) Do you cry at movies too ? ( it's ok, a lot of people do - it's what entertainment is designed to do ) C'mon. You are being played like a violin.
- SaperKain, on 04/27/2008, -7/+1Come on people this is getting excessively emotional. We are going to win this; The Clintons just trying to save face and will bow out after the last primary. Oh... yes and I almost forgot, McCain is OLD, I mean holy ***** 71 years?!? I’m sorry but I doubt he would survive the first term.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3Your intelligence is showing. All of it.
- rezist, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1So I guess Obama's supporters are not elitist after all?
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3Your intelligence is showing. All of it.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2What a slanted piece of crap : ) I love the disinformation campaign that is being passionately applied - and just as effortlessly disregarded. : P
- StrykeBlade, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2In the end all the Obama haters will either wake up or mentally rot in their own delusions. By far this era in the history of our United States is truly revolutionary. From the fact that youth are starting to believe in the importance of voting which was mostly inspired by Obama, to the obvious racial divide Hillary is creating, which is waking up anybody who has enough common sense to see the mess she's creating inside the democratic party. Our country's soul is being tested, and so far some people are waking up and giving a damn......well...let's keep on giving a damn until these fake ass power bitches are run out this country!
- rezist, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1berry
- WikiEasy, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3More anti-clinton SPAM
- Surferess, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Agreed! There must be people hired just to sit in an office and write this stuff to make Hillary look bad. It is a bit like what the Chinese are doing with the Tibet issue. Write as much garbage from the opposing view as possible and hopefully the sheer quantity of articles will outweigh the truth.
- skoubydoo, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1"Campaigning for Clinton in Gary, Ind., yesterday, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Ohio), who is black,..."
- Chip53, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5I don't hate Obama, I just think he's too leftist to be president. With the country at war with an enemy determined to destroy us, this is no time to be playing "experimental president". You can hate McCain all you want but he has the balls and the experience to lead this country.
- Surferess, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2I will not stand for another 4 years of this selfish Republican agenda.
- Yond, on 04/28/2008, -0/+0The biggest downfall of McCain is his unrealism when it comes to the issue of war. You don't want a president that thinks there are places in Iraq that are safe, and you can walk around freely; a president that somehow tried to unrealistically downplay the fact that he was surrounded by trained military personal and backed up by helicopter. One that implies that we could be in IRAQ for maybe 100 years or more. I am sure he has the balls to boldly lead us into more wars and bankruptcy, but our country needs brains far more than balls these days. I saw someone on the road that had the balls to drive at 100 miles per hour on his motorcycle. Then he crashed and is dead. I don't want our country to crash like he did just because we had the balls to do it.
- jontalisman, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Why do people keep perpetuating the myth that we have one than one race? We're all just human beings/***** sapiens on this planet the last time I checked, w/the possible exception of Michael Jackson.
- alclone, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1After all this bashing, the only way Democrats can win against McCain is if one candidate makes the other candidate his/her vice president.
- Surferess, on 04/27/2008, -3/+0Honestly, the real answer to this serious problem is to combine the two on one ticket.
Solves every issue and everybody gets their candidate. The problem is who gets to be on top and who on the bottom.
It is a win/win for all democrats. - Surferess, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1I am a true Democrat, and I am smart enough to know that when the primary is over you then support the other Democrat candidate if they win. It is the way we have always done it before. It is not like McCain is in our party.
As I have mentioned before, I, like most frustrated Democrats, will not stand for another 4 years of this selfish Republican agenda. Period! Those guys have made a terrible mess of things and their time is OVER! - johnchaney3, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Digg's pro obama deluge is becoming to much bull ***** for this guy...
I rarely see positive stories about anyother candidate....On Digg its assumed that McCain is as evil as Bush...and that Hillary is some whore...
Who owns this site anyway?
Sounds like time to change the channel....- LibertyForever, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Digg's traffic is mostly international. The rest of the world wants Obama (for a reason) - lots of foreigners here. Luckily, only US citizens get to vote.
- Yond, on 04/28/2008, -0/+0As far as Hillary is concerned I think she represents something many of us have encountered. She represents the kind of person that will do anything to win, even if it is something rash or dishonest even if it means selling out those people that thought she was on their side. Even if it means destroying the democratic party while she's at it. Therein lies her greatest fault.
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