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McCain's "Spiritual Guide" Wants America to Destroy Islam watch!

bravenewfilms.org — You may have heard of Rev. John Hagee, the McCain supporter who said God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its homosexual "sins." Well now meet Rev. Rod Parsley, the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam.

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  • dustint12, on 05/08/2008, -39/+182Let's see if Fox Noize is truly Fair and Balanced by covering this story.
    • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -8/+84Considering that most of their viewers think the same way, they probably would use it as a reason to back McCain.
      • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -11/+68Which is exactly why McCain went after this sicko's endorsement: he thinks genocide and oppression against the people of an entire religion will play well with his conservative base.
        • str3ama, on 05/08/2008, -7/+7don't forget his bid that all Koreans should be wiped off the face of the Earth. An America with McCain as president is miniature American flags for some, and Genocide for others.
          • masterm1nd, on 05/08/2008, -5/+5I have a question, are crazy people allowed to vote?
          • Charlotte_Web, on 05/08/2008, -16/+6McCain didn't say that Parsley was HIS spiritual guide, he simply called him "A spiritual guide," which he is.

            Article buried as innacurate.
        • Dibou, on 05/08/2008, -6/+9You people need to lay off the Kool-Aid.
        • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Religion - I always love a good chuckle.

          Yahweh, a bastard son of Zeus, allegedly impregnates a Jewish girl who spawns a talented boy demi-god gifted with great intellect, seer's insight, and healing powers.

          Deviating from his traditional 'slaughter thy neighbor' program, he instead leads a bunch of Italians to slaughter his one-night-stand offspring. The death penalty applied to him for saying people should live happy and be nice to one another.

          The whole story speaks of a self loathing, frustrated and angry being trying to erase his mistakes - with little regard for the well being of the human lives His actions impact. Not exactly the Supreme Being, Creator of the Cosmos, now is it?
          More of a second rate poser, pretending to be ' ALL-POWERFUL '. Bah.

          Cap it all off by solving the problems of humanity via public execution,
          the wonder boy comes back from the dead, then promptly leaves town.
          I don't blame him, they were jerks.

          This great mythological story will send Roman leaders to slaughter their own religions, force thousands of Europeans to die for believing in loving nature and respecting trees, cause the death of millions in the dark ages, not to mention the crusades, conquests, and invasion and destruction of South and North America, the enslavement and execution of native peoples, and wholesale destruction of complete ecosystems and cultures.

          Not only does Christianity send all these victims to their deaths,
          but to everlasting fire and torment for all eternity. Because He loves them!

          HA! Great Punch Line!

          KNOCK KNOCK.
          - Who's There?
          I AM GOD.
          A god you say? Hmm, let's see some I.D. buddy.
          We really don't take people's word on such things anymore...

          http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

          Is there any belief system that doesn't fry your brain with mythological nonsense, does not destroy logic and reason with magic babble, and can help people live in peaceful harmony with the world and each other?
      • Ryan166, on 05/08/2008, -31/+6I like how everyone seems in favor of Islam, but the second they perform a terrorist attack we hate Islam, and their goal of an Islamic Caliphate.
        • rficwizard, on 05/08/2008, -4/+30Reasonable people are for freedom of religion and against violence. Why is that hard to understand?
          • Ryan166, on 05/08/2008, -22/+2Freedom of religion and against violence... sounds like values that Islam has!
          • str3ama, on 05/08/2008, -3/+19I believe that most religions are peaceful, it's only a few fundamentalist zealots that push violence and intolerance. Unfortunately there are people who like to generalize those zealots to apply to the rest of that religion.
          • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6@Ryan166:

            So what are you saying, that you disagree with that notion and are against freedom of religion and pro-violence? Because there's a group of people that think that way, too. You might've heard of them. They're called terrorists.
          • flashback99, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Because one results in the other.
          • andburn1, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1dinot, of course he's not saying that. If I'm interpreting him correctly, I believe he was trying to point out that we share lots of values with Islam. He was trying to point out the stupidity of generalizing about terrorism and Islam. You put words in his mouth. He never said that. You just assumed he couldn't possibly agree with Islamic values.
          • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Freedom of Religion - Like Texas Mormons.
        • manitoba98xp, on 05/08/2008, -2/+18"Islam" did not perform the terrorist attacks – a group of radicals (yes, who happened to be Muslim) did. Is Christianity responsible for all violent acts committed by Christians (there are a LOT)?

          I have nothing against Islam, in fact I support freedom of religion, but I still detest terrorism. That's not hypocritical.
          • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Most Religions talk about love,
            and then go on to commit acts of violence and murder.

            In the Dover trial, it was shown people pushing religion into science class destroyed property, threatened children, teachers, and even the judge, covered up and lied about their actions:

            http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

            The only logical source for such hatred, violence, fraud, and falsehood is Evil, not Good. These people not only fail at living their own beliefs, they fail at logic and basic ethics: Wrong actions do not produce correct results.

            A religion founded upon murder, human sacrifice, and ritualistic cannibalism is far from good.

            You can not love thy neighbor by putting a gun to his head or burning property.
        • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -0/+9Maybe it's because we hate assholes and not religion, hmmm?
        • rpfan2008, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3I don't know its whose comment I am replying to...but terrorism is a big hoax...almost every terrorist group is nurtured since their infancy by the U.S. Governments ...CIA>ISI>Terrorist...keeping in mind wats comin in the future..and something that strikes me the most is the U.S. clean-chits to the Saudi Regime who are actively supporting terrorism. Tell me one occasion when some Saudi terrorist donator is exposed. Never...and its never going to happen.

          "War on Terror" is the NEW COLD WAR, (its not meant to be won, only sustained so that a chosen few can cash on your fear) + "A War on Oil"
          And Saudis and Pakistanis are mere vessels (douchebags)

          And give yourself a break.. this yr Obama is the chosen one...Hillary was just driving the Oil Prices high (obliterate Iran). Same is true for Iran. There will be NO Iran War ..It's JUST MEANT TO PROPS THE OIL PRICES...and ALL THIS WAS A GIANT ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.

          btw on a off note Google "Nicholas Van Hoogstraten" + Mugabe
      • jizzypop, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3you nailed it.
      • joe122370, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1why wouldn't it be?
      • cawpin, on 05/08/2008, -15/+11FTA - "the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam"

        McCain doesn't attend church in Ohio. Buried.
        • narcofiche, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6FTA: "John McCain actively sought and received Parsley's endorsement in the presidential race. McCain has called Parsley "a spiritual guide."
        • lhbaker, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2The 'televangelist' part means that McCain doesn't NEED to go to Ohio (tele, as in television - get it?). The 'megachruch' part means that the pastor has clout and has a very large group of followers. So yeah, his views are relevant.
      • withears, on 05/08/2008, -2/+10Idiots - Supporting John McCain, John Hagee, and Rod Parsley since 1860.
        • MajorLeague, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2lol what does that make Bush supporters who opposed McCain?
        • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1McCain: Courting the mouth-breather vote...
      • rpfan2008, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2I don't know its whose comment I am replying to...but terrorism is a big hoax...almost every terrorist group is nurtured since their infancy by the U.S. Governments ...CIA>ISI>Terrorist...keeping in mind wats comin in the future..and something that strikes me the most is the U.S. clean-chits to the Saudi Regime who are actively supporting terrorism. Tell me one occasion when some Saudi terrorist donator is exposed. Never...and its never going to happen.

        "War on Terror" is the NEW COLD WAR, (its not meant to be won, only sustained so that a chosen few can cash on your fear) + "A War on Oil"
        And Saudis and Pakistanis are mere vessels (douchebags)

        And give yourself a break.. this yr Obama is the chosen one...Hillary was just driving the Oil Prices high (obliterate Iran). Same is true for Iran. There will be NO Iran War ..It's JUST MEANT TO PROPS THE OIL PRICES...and ALL THIS WAS A GIANT ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.

        btw on a off note Google "Nicholas Van Hoogstraten" + Mugabe
      • CryRightardCry, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3The rightards and GOP bank on ignorance and intolerance.
        They play to the lowest character traits, because they KNOW that rational intelligent people see what failures they are.
    • Shiftgood, on 05/08/2008, -13/+7Hey left, don't sink to the level of the right, you're better than that.
      • sarixe, on 05/08/2008, -3/+14hey, screw both of you! i'm tired of this dualism.
      • lamiaconfitor, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1As a leftie, I am insulted that you are really suggesting I take their ***** lying down.
    • kaelyiesta, on 05/08/2008, -3/+8More importantly than just Fox News, is all the MSM. I don't have cable anymore so I don't know if this story has been aired at all but I haven't seen anything reach the interwebs yet. Has any news organization picked up on this? If not then it would indicate intentional blackout(for ratings, money, religious agenda, political agenda or what, I can't say for certain).

      It's beating a dead horse, but I can always use more proof to show people how full of ***** MSM is.
    • alpha19, on 05/08/2008, -3/+19*Checks CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Reuters*
      Seems as though Fox News is the ONLY MSM covering the story, actually. http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/03/15/mccain- ...

      Defending it or not, I could not find anything about the Islam comment by Parsley on any of the other MSM sites.
      __Correct me if I am wrong, please.__

      So what I have to say in response is, CNN, NBC, ABC, and Reuters SUCK MY ASS for not having ANYTHING on the story. Atleast Fox has something, even if they do suck.
      • joe122370, on 05/08/2008, -3/+5because they're fair and balanced
        • bjornski, on 05/08/2008, -3/+5No, now it's "We report, you decide".

          They stopped claiming to be "fair and balanced" quite a while ago. They kept getting called out on it, so they changed it.
          • Pillage, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3You better tell Britt Hume that then: "Fair, balanced and unafraid "
          • bjornski, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1Ok, wasn't aware he was still using it. He's got one of the few shows on Fox that I'll go out of my way to avoid. I'll even watch those smug bastards on the Beltway Boys, but I just can't stand Hume.
      • bfraser55, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3If you watched anything other than Fox Noise you would have known that Keith Olberman & Dan Abrams--MSNBC--have mentioned it many times.
    • ssutherland, on 05/08/2008, -19/+14What story? That McCain called him "_A_ spiritual guide" Not even one of _his_ spiritual guides. It's not like he sat in the guy's church for 20 years or something.
      • jdenzer, on 05/08/2008, -9/+21Obama didn't seek Farrakhan endorsement, but yet we expected Obama to denounce Farrakhan and he did.
        So where is the denouncement of Rev. Parsley from McCain? No instead he accepted rev. Parsley endorsement.
        Please think before trying to make a valid point?
        • jerger23, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3ssutherland's comments were clearly about Sen. Obama's attendance of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years, not about Farrakhan. Please try to follow your own advice.
        • Gorgamel, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Grow up and stop crying.
    • jestin, on 05/08/2008, -6/+8Yeah, he doesn't agree, and I think that's true, but he is still willing to accept the endorsement. McCain won't denounce this pastor because he needs the votes of hateful people in order to get elected. This pastor will rally the hate vote for him, so he doesn't have to get his hands dirty. If McCain had some decency, he would denounce this man's support and say he wants nothing to do with him.
      • Dibou, on 05/08/2008, -8/+4Sounds like you and many of Obama's supporters here are full of hate.
        Does that make Obama someone who needs the votes of hateful people?
    • masterm1nd, on 05/08/2008, -10/+2Let's see if the hypocrites who's main goal in life is bashing religion/taking away freedom of religion have a problem with this. You guys are like this * with radical Islam.
      • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1In the USA you are free* to believe in as many or as few false gods as you wish.

        It's your constitutional right.*

        * [ Some restrictions apply, see Texas for details. ]
    • zantos420, on 05/08/2008, -9/+6** Faux News
    • jetboyterp, on 05/08/2008, -7/+7First off, if you don't like FOX, go watch MSDNC or something.

      Second, this guy Parsley and McCain have only ever met once. He is NOT anything close to McCain's "spiritual guide", but you lefties keep on tryin'!
      • Pillage, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5are you meaning to imply that MSNBC (Home of the great Kieth Olbermann AND Dan Abrams) is biased?!
      • keltin, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2What would give you that idea? The rantings and ravings of Olbermann and Abrams? I guess that would be an indicator.
      • mizlane, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1McCain sought THEM OUT!!! mccain HAS goe to the dark side! Having birthday cake with bush, while people drown in New Orleans....SHAMELESS
    • Muslim4Life, on 05/09/2008, -2/+8They won't.
      Btw, Muslims aren't "Anti-Christ", we're Pro-Christ!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU

      • lhbaker, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Muslim4Life, it says a lot about this country that I was hesitant at first to respond favorably to your post, but I dugg you for it. I have little knowledge of Islam, but having watched it, I am left wanting more. Thank you.
      • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1I thought Islam was Post-Christ ?
    • dingoberries, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2Wow, Fox Noise? Did you think of that by yourself? Because that's really ***** clever and biting. You should get a t-shirt made with that on the front and some kind of satirical image right next to it.

      Because that would be so clever and hilarious
    • alieneggsac, on 05/09/2008, -1/+8The problem here is none of you actually watch Fox news to get a balanced opinion, so how would you know what they think? I read the New York Times, International Herald Tribune, I watch ABC News, CBS News, BBC, CNN and (shock horror) Fox News as well. I have to watch Fox News because everything else is just so clearly focused on one narrow opinion from the left. But hey, I guess none of you have any respect for the first amendment and just don't want to listen to something that doesn't spew your own opinion on everything. Trotskyists!
      • redsrule2500, on 05/09/2008, -0/+4Wow, a sane person on Digg.com?! I'm shocked!
      • aseriesoftubes, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2I watched quite a bit of Fox News while in Iraq and quite a bit of Al-Jazeera. I don't know what was scarier - the idea of the Iraqis getting their news from Al-Jazeera or the idea of the US troops getting their news from Fox.
        • keltin, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1Al-Jazeera...that's the ticket! Pinko, commie, creeps feed the Al-Jaz machine like nothing yuo've ever seen.
      • lhbaker, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Alien, your make sense in your post, but then you get all arrogant and I had to bury you. You might be able to convince more people if you left out the vitriol.
      • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1The Video Article is from Mother Jones - about as far left as you can get without wearing a Red Star Armband and marching in formation...

        http://motherjones.com/

        Check them out...
    • rpfan2008, on 05/09/2008, -2/+1Terrorism is a big hoax...almost every terrorist group is nurtured since their infancy by the U.S. Governments ...CIA>ISI>Terrorist...keeping in mind wats comin in the future..and something that strikes me the most is the U.S. clean-chits to the Saudi Regime who are actively supporting terrorism. Tell me one occasion when some Saudi terrorist donator is exposed. Never...and its never going to happen.

      "War on Terror" is the NEW COLD WAR, (its not meant to be won, only sustained so that a chosen few can cash on your fear) + "A War on Oil"
      And Saudis and Pakistanis are mere vessels (douchebags)

      And give yourself a break.. this yr Obama is the chosen one...Hillary was just driving the Oil Prices high (obliterate Iran). Same is true for Iran. There will be NO Iran War ..It's JUST MEANT TO PROPS THE OIL PRICES...and ALL THIS WAS A GIANT ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.

      btw on a off note Google "Nicholas Van Hoogstraten" + Mugabe
  • glenneroo, on 05/08/2008, -31/+75sick.
    • pintomp3, on 05/08/2008, -4/+16and scary. john hagee and rod parsley are part of the leadership of CUFI, a group trying to bring on the end of the world in order to start the rapture.
      http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer
      bill moyers did a great piece on them:
      http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/profile ...
      • worldchanger, on 05/08/2008, -7/+5CUFI'S STATEMENT OF PURPOSE:
        The purpose of Christians United For Israel (CUFI) is to provide a national association through which every pro-Israel church, parachurch organization, ministry or individual in America can speak and act with one voice in support of Israel in matters related to Biblical issues.


        GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
        Goal One: To Educate & Build Christian Support For Israel Throughout America:
        While millions of Evangelical Christians support Israel , there are millions more who do not. It is crucial to educate Christians on the Biblical and moral imperatives of supporting Israel .

        Goal Two: To Communicate Pro-Israel Perspectives to Our Elected Officials:
        While it is important that we pray for Israel , it is also important that we put feet to our prayers and speak truth to power about the need to stand with Israel at this critical juncture in history.




        do some research next time before you spout your mouth off.
        • pintomp3, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5John Hagee is founder and chairman of Christians United for Israel or CUFI [1], "a lobbying organization intended, he says, to be a Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee. With CUFI, which Hagee has said will cause a 'political earthquake,' the televangelist aims to put the political organizing muscle of the conservative evangelical movement behind his grand plan for a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.... Hagee has dismissed pussyfooting diplomacy and primed his followers for a conflagration" [2]. "Their goals span beyond supporting Israel, but also implementing a one-sided and radical approach to the Arab-Israeli problems in the Middle East. There is no nuance to their policy prescriptions and ironically (or perhaps not so ironically) the agenda of Hagee and his group would actually make matters much worse in the Middle East" [3].

          Hagee once said that "the United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ" [4]. [5]. It's this skewed support of only one side in the Middle East conflict, for purely religious reasons, and which is connected to a strange attraction, even eager anticipation for an inevitble "end-times" apocalyptic Armageddonism that many see as ominous [6]. See also the book HOLY WAR: The Rise of Militant Christian, Jewish and Islamic Fundamentalism.

          http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Ha ...
          • worldchanger, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1it's gotta be true! I read it on the internet!!

            sorry, but a couple of sites that criticize him and state their opinion of CUFI's purpose are not exactly the most reputable sources for information. some of his statements may be troubling, and indeed I don't agree with a lot of what he says. but unless you've got a direct quote of him saying that that's the purpose for CUFI [not just his personal belief], you're just speculating.
        • caferrell, on 05/08/2008, -2/+6And what is the reason that CUFI supports Israel? - To recreate Biblical Israel and thereby bring on the rapture. So don't be devious worldchanger, pintomp3 is right
        • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Israel should just become the 51st State of the USA.

          Of course, that would lead to more balanced funding, and elimination of religious discrimination and favoritism in Israel - as well as applying the Bill of Rights to institutions that would not fully embrace an open, multicultural society...
    • 5urr3al5am, on 05/08/2008, -4/+7Here we go again.. this is basically slander against McCain.. there is no real association between McCain and Hagee. Hagee endorsed McCain that's about it. This is just a feeble and pathetic attempt to draw the same conclusions that were made about OBama and his own Pastor of 20 years, Pastor Wright.
      • caferrell, on 05/08/2008, -4/+8How can you say that?!
        McCain actively sought Hagees support. It wasn't a case of him going to church with him, or praying with him, McCain requested that Hagee support his candidacy. This is considerable worse than the case of Obama and Wright.

        What Hagee has said is also considerably worse than what Wright had said - and if you haven't noticed, Obama has refuted Wright, McCain has not done the same with the man that he sought out for support.
      • germ5150, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3Obama has actively sought Nation of Islam president Louis Farrakhan's endorsement and no one is throwing that up. That guy is a true psycho.
    • worldchanger, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3I'm not defending Parsley's statements one bit; I don't agree with the majority of what he said myself.

      But that video was rather deceptive, to say the least. I've listened to the man speak before [in context mind you, not just a bunch of sound bytes strung together to make an outrageous Youtube video], and this video takes what he's said and pulls it WAY out of context.

      The most flagrant and egregious abuse was that final sound byte there [overlaid with ugly pictures of himself and McCain]. Parsley wasn't even talking about the same topic when he said that. I've heard him say that exact phrase before in a couple of his sermons, and it was in reference to spiritual warfare, not physical warfare [which the rest of his statements on that video can be construed to imply]. To pull that quote out of context like that, and throw it on the end of a video making him out to be a warmongerer is absolutely preposterous, and should be exposed as the fabricated fraud that it is.
      • caferrell, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5The same thing that was done to Reverend Wright
        • execute85, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4Yes, please put "God Damn America" into its correct context for me.
          • LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Ah, ok - In context somewhere in the Bible
            it says that righteousness builds up a nation,
            and folly tears it down.

            Reverend Wright puts forth the idea that if the USA continues
            to do bad things (bad according to the Bible) then the USA will
            receive bad results.

            Thus bad actions are 'damned' by God, not 'Blessed' as if doing good things.

            You can't bake a delicious chocolate cake using 4 cups of mud.
    • jabberwolf, on 05/08/2008, -4/+4This is great stuff only one problem - he's not Mccain's spiritual leader!
      OOPS sorry to burt the bubble but this propaganda stuff is getting old!
      • pintomp3, on 05/08/2008, -3/+3you're right, he's not mccain's spiritual leader. he's just mccain's spiritual adviser.
        • germ5150, on 05/09/2008, -2/+0The same way that Louis Farrakhan is Obama's spiritual advisor. Let's put this into perspective, McCain has not attended Hagee's church for 20 years. Hagee has never pastored any member of McCain's family(like Reverend Wright pastors Obama's kids, to this day). This is not even close to same as the Reverend Spiteful Wright. This is just an endorsement by someone in America with a differing opinion than McCain.
      • caferrell, on 05/08/2008, -3/+1You are right and that makes it so much worse. If a man has been your spiritual advisor for years you may very well overlook some of his crazier ideas as they develop, but if you have no prior history with a man, and you look for his support, than you are implicitly approving his positions.
        John McCain is implicitly calling the Catholic Church the Great Whore of Babylon.
        As a Catholic, I can assure you that I wouldn't vote for John McCain now if he were running against Attila the Hun. There are 65 Million Catholics in the USA. Bad move John.
    • Noureddin, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2Of course its sick... Its coming from someone that is sick himself.
  • itstruetheydo, on 05/08/2008, -50/+294I love how a black pastor speaking out against injustice causes a national controversy, while a white pastor promoting injustice gets completely ignored.
    • suzywang3000, on 05/08/2008, -26/+7me too.
    • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -38/+25I love how the people who were disgusted by amount of press the Wright non-story received are just turning around and trying to milk this non-story for all it's worth.
      • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -9/+13How is this a non-story? Please, by all means, enlighten us.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -12/+5Why is this newsworthy if Wright's words aren't?

          Both instances are nothing more than laughable statements from a couple of jackasses.
          • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1...
            Completely different there. Its pretty sad that you are so blinded by your ideology that you cannot see the difference. On one hand we have a minister who makes outlandish statements about how whitie beats him down, on the other hand you have a minister who is very close to McCain calling for the genocide of millions of Muslims, and the one that winds up on all the talking head networks is the minister who says whitie beats him down.
        • ClosedCaption, on 05/08/2008, -3/+10Oh I get it, Its only laughable statements after the Wright story has been worn into the ground. Riiight, nope file this story under America needs to know about who McCain associates with and questions need to be asked (just like with Wright) Does he agree or disagree with this jackass and why doesnt he disassociate himself from? Why doesnt he denounce this loon?
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -3/+5No you don't get it. It was laughable when he came out with the comments originally, and it's laughable now. If I were in a position of decision-making for a news program, those original comments would have been treated as such.

            Besides, I think we're seeing that denouncing something is meaningless. Obama put up with even more ***** after he denounced Wright. It wasn't about his denouncement, the big story became "why did it take so long", or "it's merely a strategic political move", or "he did it because he had to, not because he wanted to".

            Furthermore McCain has denounced both Hagee's statements and Parsley's statements. Yet that is getting just as much MSM coverage as the original stories.....which is not very much. However, those denouncements are getting zero coverage by certain outlets in the media and online while the original comments are being discussed at great length in order to create some non-existent scandal.
        • rficwizard, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7@PolishLogic: Hasn't this whole campaign season been laughable statements from jackasses? If we didn't talk about the stupid things candidates and their supporters said, there would be no election coverage at all.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -2/+6Yes, indeed it has. Sadly we've got yet another presidential election where all of the choices are just pure *****. Although, that's been par for the course for the last 20 years at least.
        • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6The implication is that, because McCain sought out Parsley's endorsement in order to win the votes of Parsley's supporters, he agrees with what Parsley preaches. (At least this is the impression McCain hopes to convey to get Parsley's congregation to vote for him.) If McCain agrees that America is at war with the religion of Islam, that should cast serious doubt on the wisdom of allowing him to have his finger on The Button.

          Conversely, if we are to come to the improbable conclusion that, because the pastor of his church is a conspiracy theorist, Obama believes the CIA created AIDS, what are the implications? That Obama would reform the CIA (or even disband it as threatened by JFK)? That Obama would do more to stop the spread of AIDS in Africa?

          As far as I can tell, the only reason Wright is an issue is because he scares people, and that could hurt Obamas chances in the general election. In other words it affects nothing but the horse race. On the other hand McCain's associations with extremists have direct implications as to the kind of policy decisions we could expect from his presidency.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1So association with and working on a campaign with a man who makes separatist speeches is fine, seeking an endorsement from a man who makes anti-Islamic speeches is not fine.

            Ok then.
          • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3If Wright made "separatist speeches" go ahead and post the quote - until then I'm calling *****.
            The difference in the associations, like I already posted, is in the actual real-world implications they have on the two candidates.
          • chavarin, on 05/08/2008, -2/+0Obama supporters, notably John Stewart, tried to make Wright's comments seem unimportant and irrelevant. The conservative pundits we're criticized for their attention to them rather than the "real issues." If they believed any of what they say, it would apply to comment's made by a conservative. But it's not. It's all "Why aren't you focusing on the issues instead of this man's irrelevant diatribe" or else, "Why aren't you paying attention to this man's crazed diatribe like you did before?" The second statement would mean that Democrats condone the actions of the media toward Wright. It IS one or the other, neither man's positions are more respectable that the others. Unless of course, you're the kind of person who considers a person's opinion's more "right" if they are more in line with your own.
          • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Neither position is more RESPECTABLE than the other, but one position has actual real-world implications (aka a call to genocide) and the other does NOT (one of many conspiracy theories that are thrown around by 5-10% of the US).
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1Your real world implications are *****. I can't believe that you find it perfectly reasonable that McCain would start killing all the Muslims in the world just because some guy he met once, two months ago, seems to think it's a good idea.

            As for the separatist remarks, Black liberation theology sure doesn't seem like a "let's all get along" type of idea. Seems more like a "you stay with your kind and we'll stay with ours" type of thing. I'd call that separatist.
          • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2The fact that McCain publically praises and campaigns with someone who calls for muslim genocide is evidence of his disregard for muslim life. This is extremely relevant for voters to know about someone who is running for Commander in Chief of an army currently occupying a muslim country. Will he spontaneously start killing all muslims? Probably not. Will this color his decisions about military operations with probable civilian casualties? Definitely.

            Your explanation for inventing the seperatist strawman position is *****. Wright's church is multiracial for ***** sake.
          • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2You're reposting the same quotes that have been recycled a million times. Stupid? Sure. "Seperatist?" "Hate Speech?" Not even close.
      • Infidelcastr0, on 05/08/2008, -2/+8A fair point, but I think alot of Obama supporters feel that if hes gonna get crucified for this crap McCain should be treated equally.
        • Gorgamel, on 05/08/2008, -5/+1Next up: How to remove the sand from your vagina.
        • germ5150, on 05/09/2008, -5/+0 Best comment in thread. Who knew that Obama supporters had such big *****. :)
        • biotch, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3wait a minute ... if whining about political hypocrisy is considered "pussy" then what do you call the astronomical whining about Rev. Wright? Better check your own pants before you go calling him a pussy.
      • MammasMilk, on 05/08/2008, -4/+10But it's not a non-story. Obama owes Wright noting, he did not seek out his endorsement.
        McCain did seek out and did receive endorsements from this guy and Haugie. McCain owes them for those endorsements if he becomes President.

        That's a huge difference.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -4/+4No, he merely gave Wright a chair on his campaign's council on race relations. Sorry, what was that huge difference again?

          BTW, he doesn't owe ***** for the endorsements, that's merely your own opinion of how he should do things. He's stated that he wants to be a one-termer. No worry about favors for re-election.
        • Gorgamel, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Really grasping at straws now arent we?
        • Drogoganor, on 05/09/2008, -3/+3"No, he merely gave Wright a chair on his campaign's council on race relations."

          This is not true. Just try and prove it.

          Goddamn lying conservatives.
        • jerger23, on 05/09/2008, -4/+2"But it's not a non-story. Obama owes Wright noting, he did not seek out his endorsement.
          McCain did seek out and did receive endorsements from this guy and Haugie. McCain owes them for those endorsements if he becomes President."
          You're right, Obama owes Wright nothing...he donated plenty to Wright's church already over 20 years of attendance/membership in his church.
          You're second point is wrong; McCain did not seek out Hagee's endorsement.
          And I agree with PolishLogic in his saying McCain doesn't owe a thing for an endorsement, especially one he didn't ask for.
      • worldchanger, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3spot on.
    • ssutherland, on 05/08/2008, -10/+43If McCain had claimed him as _his_ primary spiritual guide or sat in his church for 20 years, then you can bet this would cause controversy. Both sides have plenty of extreme followers, but that doesn't define the candidates themselves.
      • zephc, on 05/08/2008, -18/+10You're splitting hairs over wording, where it is clear to anyone what McCain is implying. By calling him "a spiritual leader" he is saying that he is someone that America should listen to and follow. Did you even watch the video?
        McCain quote: "And I'm honored to have one of the truly great leaders of America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide, Pastor Rod Parsley"

        Stop playing stupid semantic games, you know McCain's intent quite well.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -3/+8No he's not. He's saying that Parsley is a spiritual leader, period. And for some people he is. If he'd have said "this man is somebody American's should go to for spiritual guidance" then you'd be correct.

          It's not semantics, it's the actual facts of the issue at hand.
      • dan222555, on 05/08/2008, -10/+9The only person playing semantic games is you. McCain has never called the man his spiritual guide. Period. You're distorting the facts.
        • zephc, on 05/08/2008, -9/+6You and ssutherland are so full of ***** I could start a farm. McCain doesn't invite someone on stage to stump for him, calling them "a truly great leader" and then pretend like their opinion is not his own (or at least his perceived opinion - that is, whether McCain is using Parsley to help grab votes or actually believes and agrees with him). Anyone with a functional brain can tell McCain's intent in that video.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3Ok, how about this, you can bitch about McCain/Parsley all you want, but as you do so, kindly shut the ***** up about the people who are bitching about Wright and Obama. Fair enough?
          • UTKEngineer, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Great, so you agree that Obama wants God to damn America and believes that the government created AIDS in an effort to repress black people?
      • WNW3, on 05/08/2008, -6/+4spiritual guide or voice in his head?
      • monoa, on 05/08/2008, -9/+7Dude, when McBush says an individual is a "moral compass, spiritual guide" he's giving approval and tacit agreement to the views of that individual. Parsley is talking about "demon spirits" and calling for the destruction of Islam. He's a crazy loon, living in the 18th century - that ain't the "moral compass" that anyone with access to nuclear armaments should have.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -3/+3"he's giving approval and tacit agreement to the views of that individual"

          No he's not. I'd call the Pope is a moral compass and spiritual guide to some, even though I know that to others he's a former member of the Hitler Youth with a funny hat. I'd call Jim Jones was a moral compass and spiritual guide to some, even though I know that to others he was a murderer.
    • Infidelcastr0, on 05/08/2008, -17/+9Republicans get away with everything, If a Democrat puts his shoes on the wrong feet it's a scandal.
      • thedogfatherx, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4Well have fun with that. You and the republicans can argue back and forth for eternity out who gets away with everything. Have fun.
      • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -4/+2Your self-pity and defeatist attitude speaks volumes.
      • KingWilson, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Holy ***** a pro-dem statement with negative 5 diggs! (speechless)
      • humann, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1And that is the long and the short of all of this. Dems are playing catch-up in this 'fair-game' idea that the Mellon-Scaife/Karl Rove right has borrowed from the Church of Scientology. You should not be dug down for stating the obvious.
    • diggingaround, on 05/08/2008, -3/+10..."promoting injustice..."???
      I think he is promoting and wishing for WW number 3,
      or translated for ultra right religious fanatics - Armageddon.
    • Dibou, on 05/08/2008, -17/+13I love how Democrats can't understand the difference between calling someone your spiritual adviser, listening to this guy for 20 years without saying a word when the hateful intolerance is preached, saying you can't repudiate what he says, then repudiating what he says when it is politically convenient, between all that hate and another person who got a simple *endorsement*.
      Liberals even BELIEVE these to be the same. Really! They all sit around smoking pot and say these two are morally equivalent.
      • DrakeRangoon, on 05/08/2008, -7/+4Cool comment, dude!
      • biotch, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2oh hahah ... is that the case Dibou? .... whew you got us liberals there. We even BELIEVE you're a bigot but dont blame us, it was the purple dragon speaking through the pot smoke that told us so.
    • BECoole, on 05/08/2008, -11/+5There's a big difference between wanting your own country damned and wanting the enemy to go away.
      • geoguy91, on 05/08/2008, -3/+7uh.. correct me if i'm wrong, but i do believe you just referred to all of islam as our country's enemy. Just making sure you're completely insane. You do know that terrorist organizations are no more muslim than evangelicals are christian, right? neither of them have leaders that are actually foremostly islamic or christian, they're goddamn politicians, fighting for power. And they invoke the name of religion to gain that power, because that's the most effective way to do it.
      • caramba420, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6Just as there's a difference between remarking that our own foreign policy might have precipitated the hatred the world fosters toward us, and telling your viewers that it is their duty to destroy Islam. (Hint: This is why they hate us).
    • KingWilson, on 05/08/2008, -6/+5OK you digglibs are going to lose all my respect if you go from "why won't they stop this Rev. Wright *****, no one cares, its no ones business, hes a separate person" To "Oh Ya!!! We'll Mcain is associated with a religious person tooo!!!!"

      Seriously, Its like you guys are in pre-school.

      Your an idiot
      No, YOUR an idiot
      No, YOUR an idiot...............
      • caramba420, on 05/08/2008, -3/+1Yet, only one candidate has an active smear campaign in the MSM directed at him.
      • kilpack, on 05/08/2008, -5/+3I agree THERE idiots ...
        oh wait I meant to say
        THEIR idiots ...
        *whew*
      • evillawngnome, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3no, YOU'RE an idiot.
    • WillisRR17, on 05/08/2008, -5/+0Omg, you're so insightful. The republicans must be trying to take over the world or something. Narrow-minded *****. Your definition of justice is very skewed if you think Reverend Wright was promoting it.
      • derekschaefer, on 05/09/2008, -3/+2Sorry, but do you even watch the news? This is old and the MSM outlets DID cover it. John Hagee is a known bigot and evangelical. McCain initially said, "I’m very proud to have Pastor Hagee’s support", but after a furor over Hagee's alleged anti-Catholicism, McCain stated "I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee's, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics.”

        I'm not disagreeing w/ you about the lack of EQUAL coverage, but seriously, do some research man. Wikipedia FTW
    • danger127, on 05/09/2008, -5/+4McCain's pastor want's America to destroy islam. Obama'a pastor wants America to destroy America. Or Islam to destroy America.

      ...Or really just anyone to destroy America.
  • TechMaverick, on 05/08/2008, -26/+64I think it's about time that the McCain free-ride express comes to a screeching stop! If the media still wants to be considered a "respectable" and reliable source of information for it's viewers/readers/listeners, then they should start stepping up to the plate and calling McCain on this stuff, instead of treating like a grumpy grandpa who just said something embarrassing at the dinner table and needs to be covered for.
    • LameAssTheMity, on 05/08/2008, -2/+18Wait, when did we start treating the mass media as a form of news instead of a joke?

      The mass media has changed our political system from a race between two people promoting different ideologies into a popularity contest.

      Who makes a better speech? Oh my god, she cried!

      When was the last time you say a news report on the actual differences between our two democratic presidential nominees?
    • caramba420, on 05/08/2008, -2/+0The media doesn't give a ***** about anything other than their bottom line. It's profitable for them to stir up controversy, create wedge issues, and smear. John Stewart does a better job of illustrating this than I ever could:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
      • keltin, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1You're very wrong on this one, caramba. If the MSM was concerned with bottom-line, they wouldn't be going broke. No, they'd rather push their rather narrow, Leftist views that insult the Greater American People - who won't read or watch them anymore because of being tired of the lies.
        • lgscott5053, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1No, their tired after listening to the 935 lies they've heard from this Administration about the need and reasons for going to war with Iraq. Check out Public Integrity dot Org. for the details.
    • jdowland, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Since when was the media considered "respectable"?

      Mainstream American media is just empty trash content.
  • sweetleaf10, on 05/08/2008, -30/+18Yeah this guy is a tool and McCain is an Asshat. However, This video, yes it's a sermon from sir douchalot, is spot-on. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3051024550 ... --- Pssst! Do something about the federal reserve, Robert
    • johnfiveonesix, on 05/08/2008, -4/+2"What did we borrow it for?" just ask your buddies John McCain and Donny R- it's called Iraq. Why is he asking a question he already knows the answer to?
      what a gas bag.
    • JeffSpecolli, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3lol 10 minutes in he steals some money from the audience!
    • BrendanSheehan, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1This guy creeps me out, and I am religious - well somewhat.
    • Rotkiv, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1all the candidates are garbage, and their "pastors" are worse.
      that guy is crazy and should not be calling himself a "christian". seriously, i wonder how much of the new testament he's actually read?
    • 0zzy, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2It's too bad he is a warmongering Islamaphobic man cause he says such great things about the Federal Reserve. Oh well.
  • WhoFan, on 05/08/2008, -20/+88Who is more of a worry? A preacher who is crazy and feels like the man is holding him down AND who has been denounced by Obama or.... a preacher who has the friendship and the ear of McCain AND who wants a holy war on other religions and our freedoms?
    • ElAssoWipo, on 05/08/2008, -18/+11A candidate that lies about his affiliations.
    • suzywang3000, on 05/08/2008, -17/+7the first one
      • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -4/+6Are you seriously that blind?
        • suzywang3000, on 05/08/2008, -7/+1i have 20-20 vision, what are you smoking?
        • rficwizard, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6@suzywang3000: There are none so blind as those who will not see. That being said, I think we should all concentrate on what the candidates say (which is bad enough) and not on what their supporters, pastors, previous supporters, husbands, wives, children, campaign workers, and second cousin's best friend's grandmother's gardeners say.
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I'm sorry, but that was not the correct answer. Thanks for being a sport, though!
      • JoeyShabadoo, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2Obamaganda at it again, When Obama's preacher says something racist Digg says: "How can we judge our politicians based on what their preachers say?" when McCain's does the same thing Digg says: "How can we NOT judge our politicians based on what their preachers say?"
        Who's really blind here? Baaaaaaa....
    • UTKEngineer, on 05/08/2008, -15/+14A candidate who nodded in agreement with the crazy pastor for 20 yrs.
    • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -3/+10How big is this friendship when they only first met at the end of February and there is no indications that they've spoken since then. It's not like they're out tag-teaming hookers and shooting pool every night of the week.
      • gobbleplex, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2Does it mean anything to you that McCain is going out of his way to be seen affiliating himself with people who, just 8 years ago, he called "agents of intollerance?" These are the sorts of people that he did his best to excoriate when he ran against W in 1999, and the fact that he's been cozying up to them lately completely undermines all that he was about when he gained his 'maverick' reputation.
    • ClosedCaption, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3A holy war means nothing to these partisan asshats...Their too busy crying about what someone said about our government that about someone who preaches about conducting wars for jesus.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 05/08/2008, -12/+12Obama denounced Wright for THE FIRST TIME last week when Wright attacked Obama (not when Wright attack this country). Hagee is NOT McCain's pastor - McCain has never been to his church.
      Democrats are lying again - this is definitely the Clinton-era of the current Democrat party.
      • mzx639, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4Obama is a liar.
      • oldgal, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Dugg down because you obviously did not read the article - this is not about Hagee. Please read articles before commenting.
      • ClosedCaption, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Big Deal (this isnt about Hagee anyway) but you can point out the differences all day. Hagee isnt black, McCain didnt write a book using his speech etc. But the issue you cannot refute or dismiss is that McCain sought out this guys endorsement, gave a glowing speech about him being moral and good. That same person he seeks to use for political gain has made a comment on POLICY. You cant have it both ways...McCain cant use him for political gain then attempt to claim that its unfair to ask questions about his POLTICAL association with that jerk off.
    • ErikHarrison, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4Holy WAR. Are you failing to see the irony in that? In all honesty shouldn't our country try to be more diplomatic?
      DIPLOMACY MADE OUR COUNTRY GREAT. Then Bush came in and ***** that all up. Time to untarnish our reputation.
    • Nidy1, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4Maybe we should let people speak for themselves and not hold anyone accountable for what their pastor, mother, father, grocery store bagger, banker, doctor, or anyone else says.
    • Tayls, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Christ. Separation of church and state for the love of GOD. How do these telemarketed, faith-peddling losers have any part in the decisions being made? Makes me assassin-inducing-ly mad.
  • Mutton, on 05/08/2008, -15/+132Hmm... I thought America was founded so that all people could have the freedom to worship as they please, not so that one religion would be able to destroy another. Silly me.
    • Teelar, on 05/08/2008, -16/+9Tell that to Islam.
      • jhshukla, on 05/08/2008, -6/+12"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."
        -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

        and don't blame entire religion when it is work of a few people. also don't lower yourself to their level.
        • ObamaWins08, on 05/08/2008, -13/+3Buried for an overused quote taken out of context. Come up with something original.
        • masterm1nd, on 05/08/2008, -7/+1Allowing people to poke other peoples eyes out also makes the world blind.
        • masterm1nd, on 05/08/2008, -6/+5Ahh, so retarded. An eye for an eye makes two people blind. Letting a group kill as many innocent people as they can leaves everyone but them dead.
        • amdahlj, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2You do know that more than 2 people have gotten into quarrels in the history of humanity, right masterm1nd?
        • masterm1nd, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Amdahji, it makes no sense. You guys are basically telling me I shouldn't stop people from murdering others because it would hurt the murderer in the process.
      • ObamaWins08, on 05/08/2008, -5/+0*deleted by poster*
      • GlassAgate, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4We should be concerned about the radical
        Islamists, otherwise known as Islamist
        extremists. I wish people would stop
        making this mistake.
      • slotimus, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4We're not trying to destroy anything. We want peace. You're ridiculous for believing what you are spoonfed by these state media organizations.
        • jpete71chevmal, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1Is that "peace" or "pieces". You stop being spoonfed. The Iraq war goes far beyond 2001. You can follow it back to at least 50 years. You should read a little history.
    • bigfatdummy, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Yeah, pretty sure America didn't care about Islam when it was founded. Someone needs to hire a fact checker.

      One day I'm just going to have to pack my bags and move to my own country.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Christianity would beg to differ.
    • Neemzor, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3America was not founded on religion, or was ever based upon religion, but to believe whatever you wanted to. I wouldn't doubt for a second that our fore fathers were Atheists. Do some research.
      • dopre, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1Probably not the atheists in the same sense as the outspoken atheists of today, but I think that you are right. They were smart enough to separate church and state when that was unheard of at the time.
      • BlacklabelSAR, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2They were Deists. This means that they believed in some higher power, but were not fans of religion. They had it right. It's all in their writings. This advancement came from The Enlightenment, or Age of Enlightenment.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enlightenment
      • keltin, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1The founders weren't all deists. There were a couple who were, but most were Christian and the references to Christianity creed was commonly made. Look throug hout the federalist papers. I wouldn't however, refer any citation if it's in Wikipedia.
  • johnfiveonesix, on 05/08/2008, -16/+65Another fearful white preacher in a thousand dollar suit. These clowns need to be brought up on charges of inciting violence and riots...whatever happened to "love one another as I loved you"...
    • Waiting2awake, on 05/08/2008, -2/+14That was Jesus - people should be aware by now that Christianity actually follows the rules of Saul. A Roman.
      • kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -3/+13You should have wrote "Christianity" these morons are false preachers.
        • Waiting2awake, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7True, as is anyone that preaches anything other than the equality of reverence that all life, and specifically human life, require. +1
    • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -9/+3Right along with Wright and Sharpton, right?

      Hopefully you'd agree. I wouldn't want to see you be hypocritical or anything.
      • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -3/+9When did Wright or Sharpton ever call for the destruction of anybody, let alone the people of an entire religion?
      • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4Do you even read that non-sense before you hit the submit button?
        • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -4/+2What's nonsense about it? Are you saying that Sharpton has never incited a riot? Are you saying that Wright has never preached anything out of hatred of other races?
    • seomike, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Well put John :) I agree
    • aaronhoffmeyer, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2$1000? ... maybe 40 years ago. Now $1000 buys one custom-made, hand-tailored French shirt. Or maybe three if you buy them from some high-end retailer like Holl.

      Some of these folks are wearing more than $25,000 before you even get to the jewelry and the amazing watch. http://tiny.cc/GrcfR
    • caramba420, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).
  • SGGrossman, on 05/08/2008, -16/+17A shot across the Republican bow -- if you wanna play quote-loop-with-pastors, the best documentary film-maker in the world is gonna quote-loop your brains out. Just sayin'. Thank you, Robert Greenwald.
    • UTKEngineer, on 05/08/2008, -11/+5Perhaps. But quote loop all you want. At the end of the day this guy is hopeful for America and prays that God will bless us (America) and grow our prosperity.
      Your guy is still saying "God damn America!"
      • IpecacNeat, on 05/08/2008, -4/+4Who gives a *****! Both are equally as bad. Wright is hard on this country, but he also served in the military. This guy is intolerant, and wants to destroy another religion, because he is fearful.
        • UTKEngineer, on 05/08/2008, -5/+4I care. And there's no way both are equally bad. You keep telling yourself that, but don't expect anyone else to buy it.
          • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7You're right, Hagee is much, much worse.
        • keltin, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I could give a crap about someone who 'served for his country' and then ***** all over it. Wright is not my idea of anyone, anywhere who is quotable or admirable.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 05/08/2008, -7/+7One problem - this guy is not McCain's pastor (Democrats are lying)
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -2/+6He endorsed McCain, and the latter calls him a friend, and has not repudiated his words.

        With friends like these, who needs enemies! Get used to hearing the words "President Obama"...
    • Dibou, on 05/08/2008, -4/+2Democrats and their ilk are constantly taking Republicans out of context. We are used to it.
      The really funny part is how all the Democrats were crying "Wright is being taken out of context!" Turns out the Democrats were just lying again.
  • reelectnoone, on 05/08/2008, -20/+15McCain could be even worse than Bush...!!! if that is even possible. If people don't see that and elect him we and the world are in for a bad bad ride. I think we need to replace more than the President. http://www.reelectnoone.com
    • stuffdone, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2All politicians are at some level evil by their nature. The best we can do is keep replacing them so none of them accumulate too much power.
      • Waiting2awake, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3why do we need them?
        • crocheoni, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2a sense of order. without it, the basic constructs will fall (thats what they say, but to be honest we haven't had a system less government in a long time. )
        • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Um, to prevent anarchy in the streets.
        • MrGreenGenes2, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Go to school
    • PopcornDave, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5Oh I don't know. You look at Cindy McCain and you have to figure that Botox injections are going to be covered by the government under a McCain health plan.
      /sarcasm
  • MAXIGAIL, on 05/08/2008, -48/+3TIME FOR US ALL TO STAND UP N B COUNTED..WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL..IF YOU STUDY BIOLOGY YOU WILL SEE...THE BRAIN IS THE SAME COLOUR....BONES ARE THE SAME...BLOOD IS THE SAME...WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND PERSONALITIES..THER IS GOOD N BAD IN ALL RACES..GAYS N LESBIANS ARE BORN THAT WAY THEY DONT CHOOSE IT TO BE HURT...
    • suzywang3000, on 05/08/2008, -23/+5excuse me sir, but koreans are in no way similar to me.
      • Waiting2awake, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8They have two arms, two legs, DNA, cells, mammals....

        Nope sorry - they are.
        • suzywang3000, on 05/08/2008, -13/+4koreans are totally stupid and they smell like poo!
      • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -0/+16Don't Koreans have a repressive police state that uses torture? Doesn't Suzywang3000 enthusiastically support repression, propaganda, warrantless surveillance, and torture in the USA? Seems to me they have quite a bit in common.
        • papipablo, on 05/08/2008, -0/+11Koreans are still a helluva lot smarter than Suzywang
        • inajeep, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1North Korean Regime to be specific.
      • kipmartin, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2i cant tell the difference.
    • usrlocalbin, on 05/08/2008, -2/+20Caps lock key is right below your tab key, and right above your right shift key.
    • jpaolini, on 05/08/2008, -0/+11Sorry, but I honestly didn't read your comment due to the caps (and lack of anything even remotely resembling any sort of grammar/spelling skills).
    • NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/08/2008, -0/+11CAPS DOUCHE BAG!!
      I didn't even read your comment, you've had to been told before?.... no?
    • kipmartin, on 05/08/2008, -0/+9I skipped your post. All Caps is usually favored by nutcases.
    • bigfatdummy, on 05/08/2008, -6/+3I'm sorry but Blacks and not equal to me. No way! They have to be different. How else can you explain why the kick my sorry white butt in sports? Oh and not only do they kick my butt in sports but somehow they end up with Gods gift of endowment. I mean what in the hell? Life just isn't fair.

      Oh yeah and Hispanics are better at baseball.
    • Pinhedd, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4All keyboards may not be equal but they all have a capslock key, find yours.
    • KJGJ, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2CAPS LOCK = CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
  • k0k1man, on 05/08/2008, -19/+10We absolutely must spread this... please guys whoever can sphin, digg, share, link, index and forward do so. Thanks Robert Greenwald... shouldn't moveon.org be envolved as well?
    • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -7/+3I'll be posting it, right along side of Wright's speeches. Equal treatment, after all.
      • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -2/+6Right, because what Wright has preached about is akin to the genocide that this man promotes. Completely the same thing there.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -6/+3Racial separatism, creation of super diseases to wipe out a continent, genocide....

          Six of one, half dozen of the other. They're all outlandish statements that have no reason to be taken seriously.

          More to the point though, why do you take Parsley's comments so seriously. He's merely a glorified snake-oil salesman, nothing more. Now if McCain were to come out and say that Islam should be wiped off the Earth, I'll perk up and pay attention. Some midwestern pastor saying it will not draw my interest what so ever. It's about as interesting as hearing your neighbor talk about taking over the world.
        • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -2/+5Racial separatism? What orifice did you pull that one out of? And Wright was speaking AGAINST genocide (albeit imaginary genocide), not advocating for it.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1What part of "they're all outlandish statements that have no reason to be taken seriously" do you not understand?
          • zeusthemoose, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Your a completely retarded if you cannot see the difference between the two.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 05/08/2008, -5/+8Hey Democrat Morons - Hagee is not McCain's pastor. McCain has never been to his church.

      You Democrat parrots are just making yourselves look like brain-dead tools.

      Obama titled his book after a line from a Wright speech.
      Get a clue and try again.
      • PabloMac, on 05/08/2008, -4/+2Isn't it fun to watch them get all wound up and emotional like that?
    • Dibou, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1Oh moveon.org is *involved* in this in some way I'm sure. Or at least they support inaccurate mud-slinging such as this.
  • stuffdone, on 05/08/2008, -13/+33Every religion has an equal right to exist. Until you die who knows? In the US we specifically guarantee the right to religious freedom. McCain has taken an oath of office to uphold the constitution. If a radical Christian preaches that we must destroy another "protected religion" then McCain should denounce him not only as a poor example of a Christian but a bad example as a preacher and a person.

    I have little regard for ANY preacher who injects himself into Politics...that is like a preacher making a pact with the devil anyway and they are not to be trusted. Those types of preachers are not Christians, they are self promoters seeking special favors from politicians.

    On the upside these guys are providing the Democrats with great amunition for the fall elections...so perhaps we should let them keep opening thier mouths and digging that hole for McCain to fall into !
    • mondster, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3No, you're wrong. There is no fundamental principle of existence that says a human has the right to practice whatever self-proclaimed religious beliefs they may have. When someone else's religious beliefs or practices threaten the well being of any human or group of humans, or if their practices are against the laws of the country they live in and benefit from the protection of, then yes, it needs to be addressed and squelched.
      • jjk7288, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3What religion were you talking about again?
      • HakonD, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5i have known many muslims, and I assure you, not one of them pose any threat to the safety of the United States.
        • solid12345, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1My grandparents and mom lived and worked over in Libya and Egypt for years in the 70s, long before 9/11 and the local Arabs generally disliked Americans. There is a reason they all live in walled compounds over there.

          The problem is much of the Arab world is like sub-sahara Africa, full of ignorance and superstition, they don't know anything other than what their local mullah tells them. Name one other place in the world where 10,000 people can come out of a Mosque on a Friday, gather in the streets and chant "Death to (insert America, Israel, the Dutch, Salman Rushdie, whatever flavor of the week) it is almost robotic in nature.
      • lamiaconfitor, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2There is a difference between religious belief and threatening actions. You are pretty ***** dangerous yourself. Personally I think the world would be better off without religion, but I am not about to attack people simply for their belief structure... I prefer to judge people by their actions.
        • solid12345, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Well I think it is fair to judge a religion if millions of its inhabitants riot in the streets and have militias running around with ak-47's with full blessing of the Ayatollahs, Mullahs or Clerics?
    • dopre, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2"Every religion has an equal right to exist" said the religious man "but my religion is better than yours"
      Religious sheeple follow your WTF (WTF = Wishful Thinking + Fear)
    • Sutherlord, on 05/09/2008, -0/+0Well, every religion except those damn wizards.
  • theYevvin, on 05/08/2008, -9/+49from the vid: "our country was founded, in part, to see this false religion destroyed"

    I think the Wright situation will allow for the first time for the bright light to be cast on these evangelical nutjobs and their roll in American government. Remember, 150 graduates of Pat Robertson's Regent University were hired by the bush administration. The threat to our democracy from these kinds of fringe groups in our government should be clear to anyone after the past 8 years. These are people we should be worried about, they are not harmless, their ideas have traction in our puritanical society.
  • camelien, on 05/08/2008, -11/+15In case you missed it, here's a poignant video from Google which may help put perspective on this issue. Was amazed to learn about...
    "The Muslim Jesus??? Yes, in a 'must see' video. too..."
    http://vidalism.blog.ca/2008/03/12/the-muslim-jesu ...
    McCain and cabal are delusional, same as present 'administration's clique, worse if that can be imagined. Peace!
  • lucian303, on 05/08/2008, -19/+26McCain's "Spiritual Guide" is an insane idiot. The fact that he's a televangelist and has his own megachurch just goes to show that a there's a lot of idiots out there who actually believe in this. It's sad. It's even worse that the media doesn't cover these kinds of stories. Let's send McCain back to Vietnam for awhile. Maybe he didn't spend enough time getting tortured in that hole of his because he still believes in torturing others. If only they had finished the job ... then the reps would find another crazy mf to take his place ...
    • LastVisibleDog, on 05/08/2008, -8/+7This is not McCain's "spiritual guide" - Democrat morons are just lying.
      • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -5/+6And Wright wasn't Obama's "spiritual mentor" - Republican morons are just lying.
        • dan222555, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6You sir are an idiot. Obama has said explicitly on numerous occasions Wright was his spiritual mentor. He's said he was the reason he's a Christian. He sat in his church for twenty years. He let the man marry him and baptize his children. He named his book after him. The two relationships are completely incomparable and you'd have to be a complete idiot to think otherwise.
    • dan222555, on 05/08/2008, -5/+6"McCain's "Spiritual Guide" is an insane idiot."
      And who is that? Because it's certainly not John Hagee and it's not Parsley and as far as I know McCain has never refferred to anyone as HIS spiritual guide.
    • miwi33040, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1mccain did call hagee his friend and spiritual guide, then mccain changed his mind and said hagee was just his supporter
      • dan222555, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2"mccain did call hagee his friend and spiritual guide"
        quote please.
  • Beagle17, on 05/08/2008, -14/+22I like the way the clip demonstrates, not the danger of Islamophobic preachers, but simply the stupidity of judging Obama by the pastor he chose to listen to. These preachers and pastors play their game just as celebrities and politicians play theirs. It's entertainment more than anything else. It is the more subtle forms of Islamophobia wherein lies the danger. But this video nicely demonstrates the lamestream media's arrogance and hypocrisy.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 05/08/2008, -7/+5But Hagee is not McCain's pastor (McCain has never been to his church). Wright is Obama's pastor and Obama likes Wright so much he titled his book from a line from a Wright speech.
      Get a clue and try again.
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -0/+7McCain sought Hagee's endorsement, and has not repudiated what he has said. *You* should get a clue.
    • inajeep, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4Wrong. It's money and power more than anything else. Entertainment to those who understand it's BS but this guy is where he is because he makes the money.
    • MrGreenGenes2, on 05/08/2008, -5/+0I don't think anyone is even reading... typical for bandwagon Obama supporters I suppose... Apples to oranges here, do you know how many people a presidential candidate or politician acknowledges in a given day, worshiping Wright's preaching and introducing Parsley are dissimilar no?
  • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -13/+36Why does this surprise anyone? This ***** isn't gonna bring McCain down. It might actually strengthen his support considering most those brain-dead rightwingers think Obama is a "Manchurian Candidate" muslim. OMG B. HUSSEIN!

    The only people this will offend are sane people who wouldn't have voted for him in the first place.
    • saltinekracka20, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Not sure whether to digg you up or down. 0__o
    • AWBoy666, on 05/08/2008, -7/+2You really have no connection with the 100+ million church-going god-fearing American citizens who love their country.
      Obama's preacher was criticizing our country.
      This preacher is saying he wants to protect it.

      HUUGE difference.
      • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -1/+7you just proved my point.
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -2/+9Wright was criticizing the US, but his criticism was warranted. Hagee condoned genocide.
    • Jackson0909, on 05/09/2008, -1/+0I hope you share the same feelings about Rev. Jeremiah Wright. I mean, I think an intellectual powerhouse such as yourself is definitely capable of possessing a mindset that crosses party lines. If not............... then I would say your just another "brain-dead leftwinger." It's a two-way street, my friend.
      • lamiaconfitor, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1No, its a one way street and you are driving the wrong way.
  • bija, on 05/08/2008, -17/+17Every time I see the Reverend Wright on TV, I wonder why we don't see anything about McCain's reverend buddies. Talk about NOT fair and balanced news!
    • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -6/+8What makes for bigger headlines? Something said by an acquaintance you've met a handful of times, or something said by somebody you've had a 20 year relationship with and consider to be "like family".
    • Troy64, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Because it is not equal. Reverend wright was a mentor, an uncle he could not disown. Obama's book title is the title of one of Reverend wrights sermons. He only disowned him when Reverend Wright attacked him personally.

      I am sure there are a lot of things that will stick to McCain, but in won't be because of an endorsement by a racist reverend.
  • caferrell, on 05/08/2008, -16/+31How can a man who reads the Bible and professes faith in Jesus Christ call for war and killing so easily and frequently?
    The fact is that this man is not a Christian, he is a hateful and proud man who does not understand that Christians must be humble servants of the Lord and all of our fellow men. Hagee has used his hate filled diatribes to make himself rich and ingratiate himself with the Zionists.

    The fact that John McCain actively sought out this man and his support is about 1000 times worse than the Reverend Wright scandal.
    This man is eveil and dangerous, so I suppose McCain must be as well
    • columbuschuck, on 05/08/2008, -7/+10Totally agree-McBush has sold his soul to become Pres; and it will be a cold day in h*** before I vote for him.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 05/08/2008, -14/+8lying idiots. Hagee is not McCain's pastor or spiritual adviser.
      Democrats are liars.
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -1/+13Where did he lie? He did not say Hagee was McCain's pastor, he said he "actively sought out this man and his support", which is true.

        Go back to LGF, Troll.
    • chrgrose, on 05/08/2008, -3/+4Why do you say that he is not a christian because he calls for war and killing? Have you not read history? This has always been the case when christianity and other abrahamic religions obtain power.
      • mikehosek, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8Many evil events have taken place throughout history. What is your point? Jesus never advocated violence.
        • BlacklabelSAR, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3Maybe the point is that Christianity, in practice, has little to do with the teachings of Christ.
    • ferky123, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6I tottaly agree with you. the Rev. Wright stuff was more about ow the US has treated other countries and groups unfairly and how once the war or disaster has dropped from the spotlight we tend to loose intrest and pull out. These men Hagee and Parsley are not Christians in that they do not preach love thy neighbor as thyself but the most hate filled vitriolic type of speech arround. Also they obviously haven't read the Constitution which garuntees the freedom of religion and the separation of Chuch and State.
      • BlacklabelSAR, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2"These men Hagee and Parsley are not Christians in that they do not preach love thy neighbor as thyself but the most hate filled vitriolic type of speech arround. Also they obviously haven't read the Constitution which garuntees the freedom of religion and the separation of Chuch and State."
        You just described Fundamentalist Christianity. Their goal is to make the U.S. a Christian Nation. Their allegiance is not at all to the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Christland anyone?
    • brandtsound, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2"How can a man who reads the Bible and professes faith in Jesus Christ call for war and killing so easily and frequently?"
      Read the Old Testament brother- Israel got the "promised land" through conquering it from the natives. And this man is not McCain's spiritual advisor, he just endorsed the man and McCain (ill advised I'll note) is being grateful for his endorsement.
      Religion and politics rarely make a good mix- I think this is good evidence of that. As a "Christian" he should be calling for massive amounts of aid to non-Christian countries- not violence. Granted there are times when war / violence are acceptable and indeed the acts of a Christian living out the love of Christ in the world. However, this is not one of those times. I think Islam itself has proved (see its expansion around 1000 AD) that violence does not work to win converts- Love does. Showing other countries that we care about them would be a better use of time & talents.
      It's a pity that McCain is drawn into this, but as stated above- there are radicals on both sides- and to win an election, you've got to toe the line between the radicals and the moderates very well.
      • caferrell, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3@brantsound, you should write more carefully, you seem to take both sides of the issues. I imagine that the first part is sarcasm but its not clear.
    • ad33lshahid, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
      Mohandas Gandhi
  • gbsdigg, on 05/08/2008, -10/+11Contrary to many other opinions here, I think this will offend a lot of middle-of-the-road Republicans. Anyway, let's let them know.
    • dan222555, on 05/08/2008, -8/+3It won't offend anyone with a brain. Any fair-minded person can see Hagee is not McCain's spiritual guide and the relationship between the two is virtually non-existent.
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -2/+8False. McCain sought his support, and has called him a friend. Stop lying.
        • dan222555, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Who's lying? I never said he didn't seek his support. Politicians seek everyone's support. And I never said he didn't call him a friend. The two are loosely acquainted. You gonna put anymore words into my mouth?
  • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -3/+51"We get OFF on warfare"...isn't that an odd statement coming from a Christian pastor?
    • hcl40u, on 05/08/2008, -6/+4He probably meant the muslims get off on warfare. Makes more sense that way coming from a guy like him.
      • swrostmore, on 05/08/2008, -0/+16No, he's talking about America being created in order to destroy Islam: "we were built for the battle [against Islam], we get off on warfare etc."
        • ErikHarrison, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6To know and use the term "got off" is now the largest indicator of what a good Christian pastor should be. He "gets off" to himself, just look at him, it's ***** pathetic.
        • bigfatdummy, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Do we get off on war? How much did we love ole GW when we invaded Afghanistan? I realize we quickly grow tired of the war, and bitch, moan about the cost, the effectiveness, and the reasons we started it in the first place. Do we glorify war? Are we alone in this?
    • brandtsound, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0well, the context seems to suggest otherwise.. it really sounds like he's saying that Christians get off on warfare.. weird
  • kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -19/+22John McCain is not to be trusted with the keys to a war machine.
    • xelerated, on 05/08/2008, -11/+1He may not be the best option ever.. but he is the best option if Hitlary and ofama are the only other options!

      That being said... how in the world can any educated person actually vote democrat?
      • MrGreenGenes2, on 05/08/2008, -8/+0They traditionally don't...
        • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -0/+7They actually do. The question is: how can anyone with half a brain vote Republican, especially after how much they ***** up this country over the past 8 year?
      • mikehosek, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6According to recent polls, college educated Americans will be voting Democrat.
        Only an idiot would support a government that continuously lies and has caused an economic disaster.
        McCan't is the same crap as Bush.
        We don't need another unjust war on our hands.
      • ferky123, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3Not if McCain doesn't mind us never getting out of Iraq and starting a war with Iran.
    • TheZorch, on 05/08/2008, -3/+7John McCain is the second coming of George W. Bush. If he gets into office it'll be more of the same ***** which has dragged this nation to its knees for another 4 ***** years. Anyone with half a brain would vote Obama because we need change, not the same old ***** again. What the *****, is this a nation of ***** masochists or something?! If you want the War to end our troops to come home DON'T ***** VOTE FOR MCCAIN, period!
      • Smoo930, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3How can you guarantee that Obama will bring about change? He says it over and over and over... but how do you know that he really knows how to do it? If I were to be told that voting for Obama would bring about a new prosperous era for the U.S., ***** yeah I would. But why can't the dems pick someone with a history of doing it instead of just a charismatic figure? I guarantee that anyone with a decent background of politics could pull away republican voters from McCain. (Not Hilary)
    • ferky123, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Not if McCain doesn't mind us never getting out of Iraq and starting a war with Iran.
  • CrudeDarkness, on 05/08/2008, -8/+15what about Muslim Americans?
    • nephilimx, on 05/08/2008, -5/+13Destorying Iran to bring jesus back will fix that too, atleast thats the christian view.
    • GreyGerard, on 05/08/2008, -4/+17Oh CrudeDarkness, you're so silly... there aren't any such things as Muslim Americans. The only true Americans are Christians, just like our founding fathers. (that would be written is "sarcasm" font, if such a thing existed)
    • mdcarso, on 05/08/2008, -20/+4***** them and their pedophile-based gutter religion.
      • floridiot2, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8haha, tell us how you really feel.
      • slotimus, on 05/08/2008, -4/+5I'm waiting for one of you courageous dolts to get out from behind you computers and come say that in a Mosque so hopefully you can someday be educated as to what Islam really is.
      • archiesteel, on 05/08/2008, -1/+9Hmm, it seems the LGFers are back on Digg. I guess they were starting to find their echo chamber to cramped for their massive ignorance.
  • dognose, on 05/08/2008, -19/+46It's not "McCain's Spiritual Guide" McCain said that he was "A spiritual guide" .. This is not his personal pastor for the last 20 years. Stop trying to tie the two together.
    • PolishLogic, on 05/08/2008, -6/+14It's amazing how people run with that "his spiritual guide" crap. Even when McCain has denounced suggestions that Parsley serves as his guide, and considering that the two had only first met just over two months ago.