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Librarian with ‘McCain=Bush’ Sign Kicked Out of Public Event

thinkprogress.org — Sen. John McCain was in Denver, CO, today for a town hall meeting. The event, at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts, was billed as “open to the public.” Yet Carol Kreck, a 61-year-old librarian carrying a “McCain=Bush” sign, was taken away by police for trespassing.

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thewhits, on 07/07/2008, -10/+75McCain = Police State
- SolituSneiku, on 07/08/2008, -20/+1let me guess..she was asked to leave which is perfectly fine...she didn't agree...so what is wrong with that?
  
  How was her freedom affected in any way? She made her statement and they didn't like it...she won
  - s1mph0ny, on 07/08/2008, -1/+19I don't think you understand what is the meaning of an "open to the public" event. Kicking someone out is kind of like putting a "free beer" sign outside your bar, then charging everyone with theft because they didn't pay.
  - qwertydvorak, on 07/08/2008, -4/+4plenty of establishments are "open to the public," but at te same time "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."
    
    http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/rest ...
  - s1mph0ny, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1@qwertydvorak: That's generally only applicable to private businesses. Government functions are done on public funds which makes ejecting someone on a whim completely illegal.
- lajaw, on 07/08/2008, -10/+1Obama=USSR
  - techmonkey4u, on 07/08/2008, -1/+4lajaw = ignorance
- gandybhm, on 07/08/2008, -6/+1Obama = Carter
- winnestow, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1i got kicked out too. my bumper sticker said: obama < carter
- LeeSoong, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1If an officer of the law says 'no signs' in the building,
  that is different than saying 'No Librarians'.
  
  Citizens are required to follow officers' lawful directions,
  an officer's request for no signs is a lawful request.
  
  He clearly said she could go in, without the sign.
  
  So she could have left the sign in a trash can (no littering!) and go into the town hall meeting. No problem here, and no story to tell.
  
  The Police are not at fault for enforcing order.
  
  If ANY other signs were let in - that is bad, but if NO signs were let in, that was fair.
  
  She could have rolled up the sign (written on cloth) and then sneak the sign in to the town hall meeting. Then when she displayed the sign she would have been removed, and maybe taser zapped if she resisted arrest - but she would have had a chance to display her sign.
Bartboy919, on 07/07/2008, -10/+22Am I correct in assessing that because Bush endorsed McCain, he does is in fact equal McCain?
- hoghug, on 07/08/2008, -1/+31No, it's because McCain voted with/supported Bush 100% in '08 and 95% in 07. Try and keep up.
- Technohamster, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3I believe that would be affirming the consequent.
- leubstop, on 07/08/2008, -13/+5Am I correct in assessing that because Rev Wright. endorsed Obama, he does is in fact equal Obama?
  - MaTT2011, on 07/08/2008, -4/+14Your logic is flawless!
    
    So since I endorsed Obama I, in fact, equal Obama! I am Obama!!!!! w00t!
    
    I also endorse spiderman, the Hulk and delicious cheesy doritos! I AM CHEESY OBAMULK-MAN!!
    
    Thank you so much, all of you, for showing me this wonderful line of reasoning that has revealed my awesomeness to me, now i can truly use my powers for good.
  - Bartboy919, on 07/08/2008, -0/+10Erm, excuse me sir, I may be wrong, but, I thought that since Rev. Wright was in fact, a religious leader, he is barred from endorsing any candidate for president, lest his church loose their tax exemption status.
    
    Further more, I would state that just because someone is a member of a church, does not mean that the entirety of the church supports the person in any way. Take John Kerry for example. He is a Roman Catholic who supported Abortion rights. The Roman Catholic Church on the other hand, would rather no have abortion rights legal within any country. Therefore one would assume that the Roman Catholic Church did not endorse John Kerry.
    
    In Conclusion, just because one is a member of an organization does not mean that the organization necessarily endorses that one member in any way.
    
    Thank you for your understanding, and by the way, I believe you have just been served.
  - lajaw, on 07/08/2008, -8/+1fartboy_- "Bush endorsed McCain, he does is in fact equal McCain?"
    
    Therefore, "Rev Wright. endorsed Obama, he does is in fact equal Obama" is in fact true.
    
    If 5+6=11, and 7+4=11, then 5+6=7+4. Very simple. Use some logic and Obama and McCain are both losers for this country. Live with it lefty.
- ATLien74, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Yes, he does is.
jaymzdean, on 07/08/2008, -2/+15Did anyone not see this coming?
Remember?
Back on Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, we were warned.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/bringing-th ...
toddcat, on 07/08/2008, -2/+50Well I sure feel safer knowing that a 61 year old librarian carrying a sign that supposedly Republicans would agree with, was forbidden from holding up that sign at a town-hall meeting.
- protoopus, on 07/08/2008, -6/+4and her logic is impeccable.
manicmarvin, on 07/08/2008, -12/+6McCain = Gonorrhea From Ho Chi Minh City Whores
- petrodollar, on 07/08/2008, -0/+6He was not held captive in TPHCM but in Hanoi, where - I ***** you not - men pool their money together to buy a whore to share amongsst them and then play cards to determine the order in which they will proceed to sex her. Hanoi is the only place I know of where the whores offer group discounts.
Stevanoski, on 07/08/2008, -35/+8Good, hope they fire her from her job if she was there on county time. At least she wasn't kicked off because of her religion like Obama does with Muslim women.
- m0tbaillie, on 07/08/2008, -6/+20First off, some *local volunteers* who *weren't affiliated with his campaign* moved those two women out of the "glory" shot (the one that shows him plus the people immediately behind him).
  
  When Obama found out, he personally called both women to apologize. You fail at trolling.
  - lajaw, on 07/08/2008, -8/+3But he didn't include them in any photographs or tv time. You fail lefty.
- zacharytelschow, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1"Local volunteers" is a great cover. And I suppose McCain personally spoke to this woman?
jstohler, on 07/08/2008, -7/+15Sieg heil!
nontoxyc, on 07/08/2008, -7/+14I'm sure at an Obama event they would welcome a protester with a huge "OBAMA=BUSH" sign. Hey maybe I should make one and take it with me to the DNC.
- FrankHope, on 07/08/2008, -3/+8I think the correct analogy would be OBAMA=CLINTON. Although I might agree with you if the sign said OBAMA=BUSH-LITE.
  - s1mph0ny, on 07/08/2008, -1/+7Bush-lite: half the terrorism and twice the racism!
- welliwonder, on 07/08/2008, -3/+10They may not welcome it, but they probably wouldn't have hoodlums, er police, escort a 61 year old woman holding such a sign out of the area. ;-)
  - s1mph0ny, on 07/08/2008, -7/+2The liberal ninjas may be more stealthy, but I can assure you, they do their job.
  - carpespasm, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Even if for no other reason than Obama's campaign has more awareness that it's actions can be made public pretty much instantly. Not saying that they wouldn't let her be for better reasons, just saying that they seem quick enough to realize that even if they "hate the bloggers" as much as McCain they realize they have to be aware of them.
- MaTT2011, on 07/08/2008, -8/+5Yah, lets not talk about this event and its occurrence; lets think up imaginary counter examples and go on the offensive! Clearly we have no way of defending such actions so lets attribute them to the competition and attack em!
  - murder1, on 07/08/2008, -3/+4Didn't you see the whole Obama scandal, with a Muslim woman not allowed to sit behind him. Not the same but very similar. Tomorrow you will probably see an apology of some sort from McCain like we saw from Obama.
  - Nosferotu, on 07/08/2008, -3/+1I don't know why you got dugg down for this comment, it's spot on.
- gandybhm, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1OBAMA = CARTER
  - MozzieTS, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4OBAMA = OBAMA
j1337, on 07/08/2008, -7/+1She should have brought a sign that could have been folded and concealed.
- matroska1, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4Nothing sends a message quite like a folded and concealed sign, AMIRITE??
- Tollboi, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Right, because we know what kind of people carry around signs and speak their mind in America.
yaroze, on 07/08/2008, -3/+6http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/61_year_old_woma ...
knumbknuts, on 07/08/2008, -2/+5This = Repeat
whitecranberry, on 07/08/2008, -7/+13Nice work fascists. Democracy and Freedom of speech well at work.
sovietninja, on 07/08/2008, -3/+4They left out the best part!
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3527/senior3ee5 ...
- elrac, on 07/08/2008, -0/+6I don't get it.
  - sovietninja, on 07/08/2008, -3/+2Shes flipping off the cop? And it looks like shes saying, "***** you pig! Stop ***** on my constitutional rights!" (not really).
  - elrac, on 07/08/2008, -1/+1Ahh, I must have been dense last night, it does look like she is flipping him off.
- REMuse, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1I bet those cops were really proud of themselves at that moment!
fr3nz33, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3See the guy in costume in the bacground? Two peas in a a pod.
DroolingSheep, on 07/08/2008, -5/+7McAncient strikes again.
pintomp3, on 07/08/2008, -1/+35she obviously hates her own freedoms. they were just helping her get rid of them.
CCUboogernjit, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1
CCUboogernjit, on 07/08/2008, -11/+5This damn article was on the frontpage 5 min ago! Man digg has been taken over by a group pushing their own agenda. Wait a minute this sounds oddly familiar to something else...I cant put my finger on it.
Some commenter in the other post said that the only reason this lady was here was to push an agenda and thats absolutely correct.

Silly Diggers Blind support is what got bush into office.
welliwonder, on 07/08/2008, -6/+7McSame = Police State
Sogui, on 07/08/2008, -6/+15Because I'm sure McCain himself was on the other end of the radio ordering the guy to be arrested.

Go ahead, wear an "Obama = fascist" sign to an Obama event and see how far you get, or a headscarf for that matter...
- bphicke, on 07/08/2008, -4/+3I think the Obama fanatics would do you in before Obama ever had a chance to react.
drmobutu, on 07/08/2008, -3/+4McCheney...
dispontainious, on 07/08/2008, -3/+5why are people digging the same ***** twice?

somone already posted something about this,
all thuis guy did was post another site with the same story

buried for unoriginality
- bphicke, on 07/08/2008, -3/+1I bury everything this douche bag MakiMaki submits.
9bpm9, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2Clark v. CCNV establishes that it permissible for a state to limit the matter of symbolic speech because it is subject to time, place, and manner restrictions as long as the restrictions serve a specific governmental interest and provide other means for a person to communicate their message.
batmanz, on 07/08/2008, -9/+12AGAIN?????!
I am all for Obama, but this is extremely biased. Mccain had nothing to do with the exclusion, and this woman was disrupting the meeting. Obama, Clinton, and all the other candidates have had people removed, including Obama removing two Muslim women who were sitting in view of a camera, while wearing their head scarves. But whatever...
Obama 08
- 9bpm9, on 07/08/2008, -2/+6Digg is like the National Media that they all hate, they're hypocrites who only look at one side of a story and ignore anybody who disagrees or tries to prove them wrong.
- BobbyMC, on 07/21/2008, -4/+5As I remember the women were simply behind him or something and his aides asked them not to be. Regardless, it is a documented fact he called them personally and apologized for said actions which he in no way authorized.
- Nosferotu, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2You start by saying McCain had nothing to do with the exclusion, then use an example of some of Obama's aides, without Obama's permission, asking some muslim women to move (not leave, move) as though Obama HAD demanded it happen...
  
  Then say you're for Obama? I am so goddamn confused right now.
JakeAndersyn, on 07/08/2008, -2/+8This reminds me of the protesters who were removed from a Bush event and strip-searched.

they won their appeal.
wwwonka, on 07/08/2008, -3/+5seriously...what a McShame.
BordrGuy108, on 07/08/2008, -2/+9McCain = Obama = Bush = Tyranny?

They're all the same, people. Until we limit federal power nothing will change.
- insomniac8400, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3And how are we supposed to do that. Right now we have big government vs. astronomical government.
  - ProjectGSX, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Are you new to Digg or something? Vote Ron Paul.
  - insomniac8400, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Are you stupid or something? He lost. Republicans decided the status quo was better than an awesome america.
- Nosferotu, on 07/08/2008, -2/+2Christ, I am getting really sick of you whiny Libertarians. Just because they're all not YOUR guy does not mean they're all the same. Get over it.
jeffiek, on 07/08/2008, -3/+3Bookmark this one for the "if you're not doing anything wrong" crowd.
insomniac8400, on 07/08/2008, -2/+7When a cop says you can leave or get a ticket, how does he justify giving you a ticket when you leave? It would seem that cop should be fired. It's on tape, there is nothing he can say to refute it.
Sogui, on 07/08/2008, -2/+11I just remembered one other important point, ANY signs are typically NOT allowed at these events. I was told at an Obama rally in Austin that signs would NOT be permitted because:

1) They blocked the views of others
2) They were seen as a security hazard, somebody could hypothetically use a sign as cover for assembling a concealing weapon or to cover someone else doing the same.

Considering that these orders came from the Secret Service, this doesn't surprise me at all.
- Bartboy919, on 07/08/2008, -1/+7Problem being, she was kicked out for trespassing.
- secrity, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Were other people carrying signs? If she was singled out because of the CONTENT of her sign, then it is wrong.
- Nosferotu, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2You bring up a good point here though - something that should have been reported on, and the two questions above me answered, by any good journalist.
kookbutt, on 07/08/2008, -1/+7At least she wasn't tasered like that dude at John Kerry's speech.
xlent, on 07/08/2008, -1/+4librarians ftw
medfreak, on 07/08/2008, -2/+5Anyone else amused at the fact that even Republicans, Police and Neocons consider "Bush" as much of an insult as McCain= Hitler?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Great point!
  If they had put up McCain = Saint Ronnie, what would have happened?
sexydarin, on 07/08/2008, -7/+1Should have beat the ***** and throw him in the ocean.
welliwonder, on 07/08/2008, -0/+0Well if "stealthy" seems to be the better of the evils, let's go with it, ya, sad I know
BinaryDelt, on 07/08/2008, -1/+4It's sad that being said to be one in the same with the President of the United States is considered an insult.
- TokenBlack, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3If you told me I was like George W. Bush I would kick your ass.
- ATLien74, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1True. You'd think it would be a compliment to be compared as equal to the most powerful man in the world, but ole Bushy boy made it an insult.
- xman8, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1I think you missed the point! It is not what is on the sign. It is the (sign its self) that got her in trouble. It could have said "I love Democrats" and she would have still gotten a ticket.
Rudegar, on 07/08/2008, -2/+0they can always claim that they removed her for her own protection from other more enthusiastic viewers :S
matroska1, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3Equations are banned.
- Nosferotu, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2It's got nothing to do with politics, McCain just hates math.
- tvguy1, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0Wasn't that the fuzzy math act of 2004
Latentk, on 07/08/2008, -6/+3That website might just be the most useless piece of liberal garbage ever assembled.
digudown, on 07/08/2008, -3/+4He was kicked out because he should have used '==' instead of '='.
Buckwyld, on 07/08/2008, -7/+2I think that librarian is a jackass. It's great that it is a "public speech," but no matter what you always respect the speaker. With that sign she only provoked resentment from people that will actually vote for McCain, all-in-all making herself look like a loon.

Here is the important part that everyone seems to forget:
"You can keep your sign here and receive a ticket for trespassing, or you can remove the sign and stay in line and attend this town hall meeting."

They gave her the option, and she took the trespassing. My guess is this was intentional.
Buckwyld, on 07/08/2008, -8/+5I think that librarian is a jackass. It's great that it is a "public speech," but no matter what you always respect the speaker. With that sign she only provoked resentment from people that will actually vote for McCain, all-in-all making herself look like a loon.

Here is the important part that everyone seems to forget:
"You can keep your sign here and receive a ticket for trespassing, or you can remove the sign and stay in line and attend this town hall meeting."

They gave her the option, and she took the trespassing. My guess is this was intentional.
- DesignNerd, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1So they didn't let her attend the meeting and STILL gave her a ticket.
  
  She was removed and ticketed.
  
  That is the problem. If they gave her options, they themselves forgot them.
- tvguy1, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0How can you trespass at city hall on public property? If she was causing a scene, yelling and scream,at least that makes sense. She was just standing there.
Mihey, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2So that shows how much McCain thinks of Bush to consider any relation offending and disruptive to his public image.
MaceSoul, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1Show up at an Obama rally and see if you can get by a camera with a sign that says "Obama=Muslim". It works both ways.
- monkbot1, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3not necessarily, the McCain = Bush sign is correct your suggestion isn't, however given the decline in your education system and the rise of religious hocus pocus a sign saying Obama = Evolution would probably be what they'd use
  - lajaw, on 07/08/2008, -1/+1"given the decline in your education system"
    
    And the world still sends their brightest to be educated here.
  - Otiose321, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0Monkbot, politics aside, saying "not necessarily, the McCain = Bush sign is correct your suggestion isn't" is not an argument. You're arbitrarily assuming the validity of your argument, and using it as a counter argument. That's a little circular. It's as effective as the following:
    
    -The Strokes are better than Madonna.
    -Well I could say that Brittney Spears is better than the White Stripes.
    -Not necessarily, because the Strokes ARE better than Madonn, while Brittney Spears is not better than the White Stripes.
    
    Asserting your original point doesn't make it any more true. It just makes you seem silly.
monkbot1, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1Another fine example of democracy in action. But Considering how things have gotten in the states it would have probably been the same story if it was an Obama rally and she was holding a negative Obama sign.
baconz, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3america is one farked up place.
suezeekay, on 07/08/2008, -3/+1Both of these men scare me. I remember when Bush didn't allow anyone who wasn't a registered Republican into his rallies and "public" meetings. That gave me this terrible feeling in my stomach. I also think Obama is trying to hide something by using a stadium that the networks will not have total access to; I think he probably has a problem with the media and so this is what we can expect if he becomes President. The media as his enemy. We will continue to get the distorted and filtered news we get now; has to be passed by the Bush censor.
hangingchad, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Even within the republican party, Bush is a four letter word.!!!!

It used to be that an incumbent party would want to be associated with a two term president. Even the republicans are now admitting that Bush is a ***** and want no association with him.
Jason2008, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2McCain is not the real McCain
crackberri, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Thankfully she wasn’t wearing a head scarf. She would have been beaten……..
- lajaw, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2No, this was McCain, not Obama.
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