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Irrelevant Primary in WV, Democrat Shocker in MS
eyesonobama.com — Clinton whupped Obama in West Virginia. I think what did it for me was in an interview a West Virginian woman explained with a straight face that she won't vote for Obama because he is a Muslim. Obama's loss in West Virginia was merely a bump in the road while Childers win in Mississippi doesn't look good at all for Republicans come November
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- redcolumbine, on 05/14/2008, -3/+30Well, I'm not voting for McCain because he's a flesh-eating zombie! Blaaaaargh!
- alk509, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7I'm not voting for him because he's a Laotian prostitute named Ling Tiang.
- JMSantos, on 05/15/2008, -1/+0Racist.
- alk509, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7I'm not voting for him because he's a Laotian prostitute named Ling Tiang.
- debunkthelies, on 05/14/2008, -3/+12I'm voting for the only one who doesn't have to botox to look younger. LOL
- masterm1nd, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Yes, he even reverse ages.
- thirdcoastborn, on 05/14/2008, -5/+9republicans are finished
- plimpton777, on 05/15/2008, -4/+5Ron Paul Republicanism is the future!
- fasda, on 05/15/2008, -2/+1OK if that happens in the next 10 years I'll send 1000$ to his campaign.
- zephyear, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3doubt that
maybe the libertarian party will replace the republican party
it's a pretty big maybe - publiclurker, on 05/15/2008, -1/+0Well it certainly isn't the present.
- ncairns, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2How is it the future when all of his policies try to drag us back into the 19th century?
- plimpton777, on 05/15/2008, -4/+5Ron Paul Republicanism is the future!
- neems25, on 05/14/2008, -3/+11Im voting for the one who's probably not going to die while in office....
- Troy64, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1If Hillary gets to be VP, I wouldn't put big money on Obama being around four years from now. He might commit suicide just like Vince Foster.
- DiggLive, on 05/14/2008, -15/+4Clinton: 16,710,298 47.7%
Obama: 16,680,827 47.6%
Clinton +29,471 +0.08%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/presi ...
It's still a very close race when you count every voter. Blame the Republican legislature for the mess, not innocent people. I'm not going to vote for a nominee of 48 states. If they don't seat FL/MI on May 31st, and realize that it wasn't the Democratic Party's doing, I'm not going to vote for their nominee in November.- DiggasWAttitude, on 05/14/2008, -2/+4Who needs to realize what now?
- alk509, on 05/14/2008, -3/+7You can't pick and choose which statistics you use: if Hilldog is going to make the argument that the popular vote is going to be the measure of who wins the nomination, then the four caucus states that didn't report vote totals need to be counted as well, as do the uncommitted Michigan votes that are presumably for Obama.
Hilldog supporters are so transparently hypocritical, it's almost funny. If your interest is truly counting every vote, then at least give us the right statistics:
Popular vote with FL and MI, plus IA, NV, ME, WA estimates, plus uncommitted MI votes given to Obama:
Obama: 17,172,328 50.2
Loser: 17,014,911 49.8%
Obama +157,417 +.4%
So even ignoring the rules and playing by your own made-up standards, your candidate loses. You can argue that it's close, absolutely. I actually don't think the 'dog should drop out, because the longer she stays in, the worse she looks and the more legitimacy Obama's candidacy will have when the inevitable happens and the superdelegates give him the nomination. But you can't make up facts to support your argument.- DiggLive, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1The issue I have with uncommitted MI for Obama, is that we don't know how many voters actually voted for him. Caucus estimates are valid, but then again, it's an estimate.
- alk509, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1We also don't know how many people voted for Hilldog simply because they couldn't find Obama on the ballot, or how many Obama supporters didn't go vote because they knew he wouldn't be on the ballot. I don't hear the Hilldog camp bitching and moaning about those voters...
Again, if the issue here really was to give the people of Michigan a chance to get their voices heard, the primary would have to be redone - which is not going to happen. The only realistic way out of it is to stick to the Democratic party rules that Michigan knowingly broke, and that Hilldog agreed to and is now trying to weasel her way out of. It sucks for MI Democrats, sure. They can complain to their state Democratic party and legislature. But intellectual honesty needs to prevail here: giving Hilldog the primary as it is now would be unfair to Obama and to his MI supporters. Either all the voters are heard (by redoing the primary) or none of them do.
- alk509, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1We also don't know how many people voted for Hilldog simply because they couldn't find Obama on the ballot, or how many Obama supporters didn't go vote because they knew he wouldn't be on the ballot. I don't hear the Hilldog camp bitching and moaning about those voters...
- DiggLive, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1The issue I have with uncommitted MI for Obama, is that we don't know how many voters actually voted for him. Caucus estimates are valid, but then again, it's an estimate.
- x0rcist, on 05/15/2008, -3/+5I don't understand why it's so hard for these Hillary supporters to understand the fact that OBAMA'S NAME WAS NOT EVEN ON THE BALLOT YET HE STILL GOT 40%. What about the votes of that 40%? Do they count? No, of course not... ***** morons.
- LumpOfCole, on 05/14/2008, -3/+13"Counting every voter" doesn't hold a lot of water when Obama wasn't even on the ballot in one of the Beauty Contest states.
- Simonft, on 05/14/2008, -3/+1True, but please use reply to this comment next time.
- dan.stryker, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2Actually he TOOK HIS OWN NAME OFF the ballot there! Get the facts!
- LumpOfCole, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Remember why he took his name off? It was that little signed pledge that all the Democratic candidates signed at the time that Hillary decided to break, to make her numbers look mighty good in MI. But yes, let's count them anyway and reward the pledge-breaker Hillary. What a nice and tidy way to "count the votes," don't you think?
"Michigan’s Secretary of State gave candidates until yesterday to remove their names from the state’s January 15th primary, a date that is not in compliance with DNC rules. The candidates we support, Senators Obama and Edwards and Governor Richardson – along with Senator Biden - did the right thing and removed their names from the ballot.
Senator Clinton, however, decided to leave her name on the Michigan ballot, a complete disregard for the rules set by a strong majority of DNC members. Her spokesman said it was “unnecessary” to remove her name, which is very troubling." - Senator Steven Horsford
- LumpOfCole, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Remember why he took his name off? It was that little signed pledge that all the Democratic candidates signed at the time that Hillary decided to break, to make her numbers look mighty good in MI. But yes, let's count them anyway and reward the pledge-breaker Hillary. What a nice and tidy way to "count the votes," don't you think?
- MrMetal, on 05/15/2008, -4/+9It just proves that those who can't think for themselves vote for Hillary. I don't think it takes many brain cells to see past the Jeremiah Wright *****, the Muslim/terrorist media dung slinging, or any of the other crap that Clinton has thrown at Obama. Honestly, if you're dumb enough to buy any of it, you're obviously not going to judge a man based on his character, intelligence, merits or political history. You're going to vote for the good, white, christian woman.
Moral of the story: stay in school.- williamharper, on 05/15/2008, -4/+5True. Anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is an ignorant racist.
Don't you realize how outrageous that sounds?? I guess not.- nblsavage, on 05/15/2008, -3/+6That's not what he said. If you don't like Obama, make sure it isn't for ***** reasons. If you don't like his politics or policies then that makes sense.
- williamharper, on 05/15/2008, -3/+5Maybe I'm reading into it a little bit, but the statements made above certainly carry implications of ignorance and racism.
"It just proves that those who can't think for themselves vote for Hillary." Doesn't that sound at least a little bit like ignorance??
"You're going to vote for the good, white, christian woman." Doesn't that sound at least a little bit like racism??- nblsavage, on 05/15/2008, -2/+4I can see how it could be interpreted like that, but I don't get the feeling from the rest of his statement.
- nblsavage, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I love it, dugg down for telling people to vote for a candidate based on his policies instead of superficial crap. Says a lot about the current state of politics.
- williamharper, on 05/15/2008, -3/+5Maybe I'm reading into it a little bit, but the statements made above certainly carry implications of ignorance and racism.
- nblsavage, on 05/15/2008, -3/+6That's not what he said. If you don't like Obama, make sure it isn't for ***** reasons. If you don't like his politics or policies then that makes sense.
- williamharper, on 05/15/2008, -4/+5True. Anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is an ignorant racist.
- etherreal, on 05/15/2008, -6/+6I get it, it is irrelevant when your candidate loses, but a big deal when he wins, amirite?
- gcauthon, on 05/15/2008, -3/+3nounot
- etherreal, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2Sure seems that way from the Oblivious Obama Oratory.
- gcauthon, on 05/15/2008, -3/+3nounot
- benmakesmovies, on 05/15/2008, -0/+7Christ. So Obama lost in West Virginia. Big deal. Why do there have to be a million Digg stories spinning it this way or that to convince people that it wasn't really a loss?
- Chestnutridge, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3To me the Mississippi special House election is the big story and is getting very little attention. A district that went to Bush by 25 points and has been safely Republcian for years, elected a Democrat to Congress by 8 points! Truly amazing!!!
- dan.stryker, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Because that democrat candidate is CONSERVATIVE! So was the IL and LA special elections that went to the Democrat candidates.
- swrostmore, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1I lol'd
- Chestnutridge, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1But that can't be!?!? There aren't any conservative Democrats left. At least that is what all the talk radio hosts keep telling me.
- ChasingAmerica, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Thanks for reading the article.
If Childers is conservative (which he most likely is), then why do Republicans down in Mississippi think he shares the views of Obama's leftist pastor? Because that is exactly the strained logic they used in ads down there
I think you are missing the point by a mile. The Republican brand has taken a huge hit. It is not about who's conservative or who's liberal, it's about who will not be , who will accept that both conservatives and liberals have good ideas. Yeah, duh, there are Republicans who possess some liberal ideas and Democrats who have some conservative ideas. Bipartisanship is the result of when people get a grasp on that concept and it is what is going to get things done in Washington for the American people.
I know you think you know something the rest of us don't, but really, you can't be that vain, can you?- dan.stryker, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1If the dem candidate was liberal, he would not have won. I think the people in those districts actually voted the better person in their view as opposed to just seeing a D or R by their name...
- dan.stryker, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1If the dem candidate was liberal, he would not have won. I think the people in those districts actually voted the better person in their view as opposed to just seeing a D or R by their name...
- ChasingAmerica, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Thanks for reading the article.
- dan.stryker, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Because that democrat candidate is CONSERVATIVE! So was the IL and LA special elections that went to the Democrat candidates.
- B1663r, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2If anyone cares...
I surrender. If you want me to concede any point, do it in this thread.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/05/and-no ...
People (well me at least) admiting they are wrong is extremely rare so don't miss out. - ChasingAmerica, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1"...it's about who will not be divisive, who will accept..." is how that's supposed to read in my above response
- IdigObama, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2I go to Mississippi quite often.
Believe me,this is Big!- ChasingAmerica, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1You're right IdigObama. Most sensible minded people do realize that. But Republicans, conservatives and/or neocons would rather argue about how flawless their political philosophy is without realizing that conservatism and liberalism compliment each other when our elected officials are governing properly. That is a concept that was lost on the Bush administration.
I agree with conservatives on certain things and I agree with liberals on certain things. I am in Obama's camp not because I'm some raging liberal and think that liberals have all the answers, but rather I know that too much of one thing is never good. And I know Obama would be one impressive president of bipartisanship. Conservatism and liberalism are like yin and yang. You can't have one without the other or everything goes to hell, like it did over these past eight years with the divisiveness over ideologies.
- ChasingAmerica, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1You're right IdigObama. Most sensible minded people do realize that. But Republicans, conservatives and/or neocons would rather argue about how flawless their political philosophy is without realizing that conservatism and liberalism compliment each other when our elected officials are governing properly. That is a concept that was lost on the Bush administration.
- larissa13, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0There are bigots and racist from coast to coast. The media has done a bang up job telling everyone only ignorant, racists live in WV. Lets be realistic, there are ignorant people in rural America just like there are ignorant bigots in urban America. The media should be ashamed of the way they are making one state look completely uneducated and stupid. Those uneducated, stupid people live all over America and are not pocketed in one state in the Union.
- Debmood, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1I agree with you, larissa. I think what stands out in W. VA is the fact that 95% of the people think exactly alike. They need help.
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