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COMPLETE New Hampshire Primary Stats, both GOP & DEM

ronrox.com — This simple page details the primary stats for BOTH parties. It also summarizes some key percentages.

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  • screenracer, on 01/09/2008, -0/+42Just skimming off the top is all they needed to do to Paul... On the Dem side on that link, Obama's computer counted votes looks like some were stolen?
  • truthstream, on 01/09/2008, -0/+56notice that Paul actually beat Giuliani in the hand count - obama beat Hillary also
  • thewump, on 01/09/2008, -1/+34Ah - that explains the 4% that Guliani got that I don't think he should have.
  • rsattva, on 01/09/2008, -2/+36ATTN RP SUPPORTERS: HELP THE CAMPAIGN - Take 2 minutes right now and register as a volunteer at ronpaul2008()com to let Dr. Paul's campaign know just how many and where we all are. You don't have to do anything but this way they can more effectively allocate their resources. Please do it now. Spread the word.
    • tekdev76, on 01/09/2008, -0/+15Absolutely! There are still 47 more states to target!
      • Bakrain, on 01/09/2008, -0/+12It's easy. I'm going to a Ron Paul meeting this weekend, show your support!
  • moabman, on 01/09/2008, -2/+37I have no faith in Gov, this is so not America and more like Russia in the 70s, this Country is so corrupt I don't know if we will ever be able to save her from the CFR & NWO, I see dead people!
    • Rabbit63, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3I think you may be being a bit harsh on Russia. The former USSR was not as obviously corrupt actually despite the propaganda of the USA at the time. What the USSR was, was heavy handed without apology.
  • Vocifer, on 01/09/2008, -0/+40Obama supporters- get on this. The fix was in tonight and you need to do something about it.
  • helraizr, on 01/09/2008, -0/+28I have lost all faith in the government. If this is the will of the people, we get what we deserve.
  • jolifam77, on 01/09/2008, -0/+25The woman protesting in this clip http://blip.tv/file/582985 states that her whole town Mont Vernon is voting for Ron Paul. This contrasts with the results below from CNN. Could this be due to a rigged vote?

    Mont Vernon
    updated 10:29 p.m. EDT, January 8, 2008

    McCain 239 46%
    Romney 107 20%

    Huckabee 80 15%

    Paul 54 10%

    Giuliani 31 6%

    Thompson 4 1%

    Hunter 1 0%
    • UtubReptilian, on 01/09/2008, -0/+15And in Sutton Counting people are outraged because they know many more people than 0 voted for Paul. When it was reported to http://www.blackboxvoting.org they magically found out there was another human error and said Ron Paul really had 31 votes in the town. That makes you wonder how many human + computer glitches add up to give complete different final results in other counties.
    • GhostyBoy, on 01/09/2008, -0/+15THIS ELECTION IS RIGGED - - - DO SOMETHING!!
    • ZephramStark, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3It should be pretty easy to check. Just go around Mont Vernon and ask if they voted for Ron Paul.
    • yeti22, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Maybe it's just indicative of the fact that one woman doesn't speak for the whole town?
  • ajpalmieri, on 01/09/2008, -1/+34Looks like Ron Paul should of gotten third. Looks like Obama should of won. Still want to attack me for my upside flag?
    • Wewillknowsoon, on 01/09/2008, -0/+13mayday! mayda!y mayday!
    • sdndba, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Yes we are in distress! Leave it!
    • yeti22, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Repeat after me: should HAVE, should HAVE, should HAVE. Jesus people, learn how to speak (or type, as the case may be).
  • midoritsuru, on 01/09/2008, -0/+18too bad you can't get a complete count from any MSM source...but we know what (not) to expect from them these days. thanks for sharing this.
    • banmaster, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Well we certainly can't get an accurate count, thats for sure!
  • Justinger, on 01/09/2008, -2/+13As always, I hope this is a mix up of some kind. I'd hate to think interests can get away with that kind of stuff nowadays. But it certainly does look fishy...
    • dinsy, on 01/09/2008, -0/+5It is deliberate fraud. Face it.
    • staggerlee14760, on 01/09/2008, -0/+2 Things are bad and you have got to get mad goddammit. World war 3 is at Bush's feet and they want Hillary so they can keep the plan going. Obama is almost as bad but certainly better than Hillary or Gulliani. If you didn't support Ron Paul maybe now you will because he is the only hope for America and the world has!! If the government ignores the people than there is no other choice but to over through it. Its a sad day for the world. We have everything at stake!!!!!!!!
  • awatchman, on 01/09/2008, -7/+11Cheer up. SOME people still have a choice. They can continue to live on their knees or they can choose to die on their feet. It is much to late for pussyfooting and completely useless to challenge fraud with the present system of neocons in place. The time for critical thinking is now.

    DO NOT ORGANIZE. ANY group or organization WILL be infiltrated and eliminated or worse. Keep your mouth shut.
    The Spirit of liberty and freedom is exactly where it has always been. Within each individual. Almighty GOD gave it. The neocons cannot take it. To lose it, you must freely give it away.
    SO,-Learn to keep a secret. Keep your mouth shut. Spurious and Individual action is the key.

    Secrecy is how the neocons gained the (temporary) upper hand. BUT, secrecy is ALSO what they FEAR the most, especially from free thinkers.

    We have tried to express opinion at the polls. Lets try something different. Lets use our own individual SECRECY against the system. It will make them slip up for the final time.

    • michael4lsu, on 01/09/2008, -1/+6BS! Stand together united and rise up to bring the truth to light! Why do you think the elite establishment has been pushing this whole multiculturalism/diversity agenda on this country? United we stand, divided we fall!
    • staggerlee14760, on 01/09/2008, -0/+3 The tree of liberty is watered by patriot blood. and I fear that this could get a whole lot worse before it gets better and with the establishment's plans it could be lifetimes before we will ever see the light of liberty again!!
  • danthemansmith, on 01/09/2008, -1/+21We can not let them get away with this! This is fraud and treason and these people need to serve time for this illegal activity. FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE AT A NONVIOLENT REVOLUTION! OUR LAST CHANCE!
  • JohnInMT, on 01/09/2008, -0/+18This may just be a result of me not having any caffeine today, and not being awake enough to see it somewhere on that site.....but is there a link somewhere that shows that the areas they claim were hand counted, were actually hand counted ballots and not opti-scans? If that info is available somewhere, and there's a big difference between opti-scan areas and hand count area results..then something smells fishy....
  • calistan, on 01/09/2008, -0/+21Whoah...wait...wha? Those numbers are all messed up on the Democratic side.
    • GhostyBoy, on 01/09/2008, -0/+11Republican side too. Paul's support was more then double in New Hampshire, yet he did even worse as soon as they were in a DIEBOLD state? I'm sorry don't ***** think so.

      I'm can't vote in this cause I'm Canadian but you guys should not stand for this crap.
  • UtubReptilian, on 01/09/2008, -0/+21This is Sutton's Town Clerk response to the fraud, I mean, little mistake. There were really votes for Ron Paul and they just didn't count them. If it happened here, it happened in other counties, period. http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/7120 ...
  • GhostyBoy, on 01/09/2008, -0/+29Paul got ripped off and probably Obama did too. I am sick of people saying I am a conspiracy theorist. DIEBOLD is a ***** sham and they are ripping off the American people and if you guys want to call people names instead of doing anything about it then you deserve what you get.
    • dinsy, on 01/09/2008, -0/+8Yes it was basically Diebold that 'counted' the votes. This country is dead.
  • UtubReptilian, on 01/09/2008, -0/+4http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Uncounted_A_Docu ...
  • floatingorb, on 01/09/2008, -0/+4I may be wrong here with what i'm seeing BUT
    (HAND V. MACHINE %)
    add all the negatives: 8.006%
    give: .414% to giulliani
    give romney: 7.592 %
    ?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????
    Am I just being a simpleton here? is this some kind of normalized table? Or is it just that obvious? Is the data valid or is this a hoax?
    • floatingorb, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1I must be missing something in that '*' fine print. It works the same for the Dems. Someone point out the problem here.

      "*Votes are tentatively won or lost with the assumption that the machines are conferring advantages or disadvantages". What does that mean? Where is the extrapolation taking place? somekind of factor for only 20% handcounted? I'm shure that there was massive fraud but, concerning this table, I don't think the tallies would be EXACT to the last decimal point for givens and takens by the machine. I have tunnel vision right now to look at numbers..something with the "overall" part of the statement? someone help me out.
      • emechem, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0I think what they're doing is, looking at the *percentage* discrepancies (betw. hand & machine) and then extrapolating that, applying it to the total votes, to come up with how many actual votes would have to have been taken/given, to account for the discrepancy.
    • Kishoba, on 01/09/2008, -0/+3Take this as a grain of salt, but yes. Adding the positive percentage and negative percentage will add to zero due to their being a 100 percent total no matter what the votes. But the degree in percentage differences from hand counts to electronic votes is worrisome. Our security professionals have been saying for years how bad of an idea these electronic voting machines are. Especially to not be "open source" so to speak (and with no f'ing paper trail)? Seriously.
      • floatingorb, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Thanks kishoba and emachem for pointing this out to me.
  • Rockymt4fr, on 01/09/2008, -0/+12Who controls the tabulation of the votes?

    Who controls the security of the votes?

    Who controls the "machines"?

  • inDglass, on 01/09/2008, -0/+10The electronic machines swayed largely to Hillary, Rudy and Romney. Everyone else dropped around 2% while those three increased. Romney did over 7% better on electronic machines. This is disgusting.
    • Chode2235, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Perhaps voting machines are in cities whereas hand counts are done in more rural areas, or something like that. Differences in the voting populations attitude by geography are not uncommon. Correlation does not mean causation. There are plenty of other reasons for the discrepancy, although it looks might fishy.
  • artmaniac, on 01/09/2008, -1/+7The Clinton/Bush Era Is Officially OVER! The buck stops here with the people of the USA! GO RON PAUL! Next president of the United States Of America!
  • savecore, on 01/09/2008, -0/+14what the hell, there was fraud against Paul and Obama
  • Gene1200, on 01/09/2008, -0/+10"Live Free or Diebold" This has to come to head by some candidate from either side of the isle with enough courage to see elections are really electronic selections.
  • dotlizard, on 01/09/2008, -0/+7if we don't stop this electronic voting we are just ASKING to have the election stolen from under our noses. we need to stop it NOW and DEMAND a paper trail and verifiable results. how do we double check the e-votes? we don't, is the answer. we will just never know the truth, in this instance.
  • phoobaar, on 01/09/2008, -0/+13I will never trust any election that is not 100% paper ballots and hand-counted. Electronic voting is inherently corrupt, and all results based on it are fraudulent and invalid. They will never convince me otherwise.

    Australia is hand-counted, and each counter has a "shoulder surfer" whose job is to simply watch the counter in case they get tired and make a mistake. This is how the US should do it. I don't care if it costs more, they already tax us enough to pay for it.

    The reason this electronic BS is being pushed on us is so the media can have instantaneous feedback to pump up their ratings. I say to Hell with the infotainment aspect of politics; all I want is a fair election. I'm willing to wait a couple days to get the results.
    • skingw, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3I have thought a lot about this, and I don't mind electronic counting of paper ballots, IF there is a GUARANTEED hand recount, every time, of every vote. This would give us the best of both worlds. We would have "an" answer instantly, and we would have the *real* answer eventually. Since the real answer is going to come out, there would be nothing to be gained by tampering with the count, because you are GOING TO GET CAUGHT.

      Vote Fraud happens so much now because they have been able to get away with it in the past. They would have gotten away with it this time if they weren't SO STUPID that they made the votes 0 in certain areas where people could KNOW that they weren't zero. (Oh, and we need to make tampering with elections a felony if it isn't already.)

      Computer voting where there are no paper ballots is just asking for trouble. We might as just well call up Castro and ask him who won -- we would have a better chance of getting the correct answer.
    • Rabbit63, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2If they ever introduced voting machines in Oz, I am finished with voting compulsory or not.

      I would not waste my time anymore. It is just common sense. The only acceptable system is transparent. Even then I have seen voting fraud in small towns and shires. That occurs with ballot stuffing exercises of a sort whereby some rep for a large company gets given huge numbers of ballots, for example in Manjimup, WA, Bunnings the logging company has thousands of votes, all controlled by one man.
  • Dravis, on 01/09/2008, -0/+7I voted in Dover NH last night and they had one of those machines that you put your ballot in after voting and there was something that didn't quite settle well with me. I asked the guy standing by the machine if I should put my ballot in face up or face down and he said "Either way, it doesn't matter".

    That could be true, but it seemed odd to me that it would scan both sides of my ballot when there was nothing on the back side. I put mine in face up, the guy right behind me put his in face down.
  • mountanaman, on 01/09/2008, -6/+0Just because the hand counted percentages don't match the machine counted ones DOESN"T necessarily indicate fraud. They are counted differently in different precincts. For example: say Clinton has more support in urban areas, Obama in rural areas. If the larger towns are where the machine scanners are located, and small towns hand-count, that could explain why Hillary has a higher percentage from machine counted than hand counted and vice versa for Barack. Duh.
    • KnomeGnome, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Are you kidding? You're saying that Obama has MORE support in RURAL areas than Hillary? In NEW HAMPSHIRE?
    • Rabbit63, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1It does NOT prove fraud, but it most certainly DOES indicate or suggest fraud!

      Besides which the first PROOFof fraud has already arrived. See the cut and paste from Devvy Kidd below.
  • goober8008, on 01/10/2008, -0/+5Considering what we know about Diebold, previous election fraud in Ohio and Florida, this is quite possibly fraud. What jumps out at me is the fact that the interventionist hawks (on both sides) were given such a boost by Diebold. Obama is a big "?" for the military-industrial complex, AIPAC, and other powerful groups in Washington, and Paul just need to place near or better than Guiliani (somewhere in the 10 percent mark) to carry his momemtum from Iowa. Both Guiliani and Hillary (both tied heavily to the establishment) seem to have things skewed in their favor.

    The scariest thing? In Florida I believe Diebold does an even higher percentage of the tallying. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Guiliani wins big there.
    • skingw, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Oh right.... Florida is were Rudy is counting on winning. He is acting like he already knows what the vote totals in Florida are going to be. Maybe he does!
  • Hangly, on 01/10/2008, -0/+7Obama and Paul supporters need to start putting aside their differences and work together on this. The fate of our democracy is in serious danger!
  • Marsharks, on 01/10/2008, -0/+6Reminds me of pro wrestling
  • Rondanys, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2And all these Pollsters like Rasmussen are wondering how they could be so close to predicting the outcome of the Republicans, and so wrong with the Dems after saying Obama was going to walk away with it. They are coming up with contorted ridiculous explanations when the simple truth is the Diebold systems can be hacked and elections stolen. All the pollsters need to band together and protest and demand recounts, in addition to the candidates and the people. This is an insult to all of us. The only thing that is going to save this country from the theft of this election is going to be if a high powered insider in whatever organization did this, goes whistleblower. I pray to God that someone will have the courage to do what is right and expose those who would destroy this country with their desire to control our destiny and usurp our rights and choices.
    See how the results were manipulated: http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php
  • Rabbit63, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2Live free or die????

    Ha ha ha ha

    Die then you stupid MFers.
  • Rabbit63, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Ron Paul Vote-Cheated In
    Sutton, New Hampshire
    Devvy Kidd
    1-9-8


    As many know, Politico.com and other sites have posted Ron Paul received 0 votes in the town of Sutton, NH.

    A couple of voters stepped forward and said they voted in their town, Sutton, but why weren't their votes recorded? That started the ball rolling.

    I received email a few minutes ago from an Iowa precinct worker concerned about what's going on. He said Bev Harris called the county clerk out there earlier today who said, oops, there were actually 31 votes.

    The question is this: Had these voters not stepped forward and put their complaint on a Ron Paul blog site, would the county clerk have made this new "adjustment" to the total?

    Politico has now updated their site to reflect 31 votes for Sutton.
    http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.ht ...

    How many more missing votes are there for Ron Paul?
    If you haven't seen it yet, Worldnetdaily.com has a lead story on more of this baloney:
    Questions Raised apver Romney's Wyoming Win

    'Results don't jibe with statewide delegate selection'
    --Casper Star-Tribune, Wyoming


    This whole process is a farce filled with fraud. Ron Paul is moving on to the next primaries, but what about the mess left behind? He simply can't afford not to get those delegate votes. One thing people aren't paying attention to enough is that each of these primary "events" gets the candidate convention delegates. Go to:

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results ...

    That will give you the delegate count. If Ron Paul doesn't start racking some up, it will be bad. He can't do that if the vote is being stolen because those delegates hinge on the vote. Rasmussen had Dr. Paul at 14%, FAUX had him at 8% all day yesterday and the machines made sure it stayed that way.

    There is no shame in a candidate paying for a hand recount.

    The shame is doing nothing about it and moving on as if everything is okay. It's not.

    If this continues into "Super Tuesday," Feb. 5th, it will be all over for Ron Paul. Mark my words. If there isn't some accountability at this stage, we're going to see more of the same. McCain was declared the winner 17 minutes after the polls closed last night. Same old crap I've watched for 14 long years.

    I hope everyone will continue contacting his NH Campaign HQ and ask them if there is going to be any audit of a dozen precincts. There has to be a fight for honest votes by the candidate, otherwise hope dwindles and so will the cash.

    Devvy
  • Kinko, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Recount!
  • oceanrain, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Are Paul or Obama going to demand a recount? Why do they seem unconcerned about this? In any event, this is the continuing work of the Bush/Clinton crime family and their attempt to keep their dynasty alive. We need to destroy this dynasty otherwise, voting will just become an exercise in futility.
  • stillcool, on 01/10/2008, -0/+0I'm glad this happened early in the primary season. I needed a reality check. I seem to have forgotten the lessons of 2004 and 2006...Insanity: doing the same thing, but expecting different results
  • XPIOLT, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3We was robbed!
  • bookon, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1As a Software Engineer I need to say that it would be VERY easy to rig an election with these systems. That said, I must also say that I am not sure if 5% is statistically significant. I am a Obama supporter, but HATE HATE HATE the conspiracy theorist, so I am torn.
  • DarkReign16, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3This from a former cynic about voting conspiracies...this ***** was rigged. And there is evidence to back the assertion. It's not longer a crazy idea, it's shaping up to be the fact of the matter. RECOUNT!
  • mysticpain, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1http://ronpaulrecount.blogspot.com/
  • wishninja, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1American voting is as fake as American baseball, WWE, and Nascar! At least we are consistent.
  • MentorMatt8, on 01/11/2008, -0/+1The Ron Paul Supporters must be allocating their time wisely. Decide for yourself what is a better way to go:
    Spend energy on recounting a small NH vote or bringing in more supporters in large states like Florida,
    New York and California. This revolution will be digitized and it does not end in November 2008!
  • gokusandwich, on 01/11/2008, -0/+0Chip in for the recount!!! Here's the link: http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount
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