CNN "THE RACE IS STILL ON watch!
cnn.com — "We're competing with people who believe that we can still live off other people, and off the Government" "Too many special interest's in Washington"
cyndezu- 435 diggs
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- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -12/+80RP actually talks about real issues and the 3 senators are just empty suits with strings attached.....Puppets.
- buhbyebot, on 05/03/2008, -30/+6You may be right, but RP doesn't have a chance in hell, so you have a choice of 3 people that are in this race. Two of them stink to high heaven of a career and life in DC doing *****. That leaves the third, whom is much younger can maybe do something positive. What the ***** are you going to do about it now? The ball is in your court.
- brad3378, on 05/03/2008, -5/+33I'm sending a message to Washington and voting for change. I'm voting for Ron Paul.
This is the main reason why: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ - juankovo, on 05/03/2008, -3/+36You are exactly the reason why our choices for president, or any elected office for that matter, are always so dismal. Voting for those whom you "think can win" means that you have handed the power of your vote over to someone else. The media tells you who can win, and you vote for them, ignoring the others. Therefore, you are not voting, the owners of the media are. When people vote for the "lesser of two evils" or for "party unity" they are sending politicians a message that it *doesn't matter what they do* because they will always get reelected anyway.
I would rather vote for someone I like and have him/her lose than vote for someone I don't like and have him/her win. It's common sense, but so many people are duped into treating their ballot like a betting card instead of their voice.- Conspiracy20, on 05/03/2008, -2/+25Completely agree with you. Why always weaker and weaker candidates? Write them in if you have to!
- safeshark, on 05/03/2008, -3/+36Oh. So we have a choice between three monsters, because the one sane man in the race "doesn't have a chance in hell" So pick the monster that will eat you in the least painful way. Hmmm..
Ron Paul has changed American politics forever. Even if he loses the media "horse race", millions of freedom-loving people of all ages across the country were given hope by his campaign. And they will not forget, and will stop at nothing to spread the message to other open minds.
- brad3378, on 05/03/2008, -5/+33I'm sending a message to Washington and voting for change. I'm voting for Ron Paul.
- ajb2015, on 05/03/2008, -17/+7yeah but, you left out that part about ron paul being a crazy libertarian.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -3/+14thats your imagination. don't be afraid of freedom!
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -15/+5"Freedom" isn't a monolithic thing, and Ron Paul doesn't have a monopoly on it either.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -4/+13bury brigade lunatic BS is what you have a monopoly on, Trolldum
- worldchanger, on 05/03/2008, -3/+13they called Einstein and Gallileo "crazy" too.
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -9/+2No "they" didn't.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -3/+14thats your imagination. don't be afraid of freedom!
- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -21/+6It is so cute to see the RP'ers back with their rhetoric, making one last attempt to substitute ***** for substance.
Go look at Ron Paul's "issues" page, then go look at Obama's. Tell us all again who actually has plans, and who jsut throws together a few paragraphs of whining?
Wait, forget actual substance. Just go back to yelling "Freedom is Popular!" as a substitute. It worked SO well 9 months ago...- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -6/+13its so cute to see bury brigade get in trouble with their bosses for allowing this story to become popular!
- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -13/+6you literally live for the red herring, and changing the subject when the facts don't fit your *****, don't you? I'd be willing to bet you have never had a girlfriend for more than two months in your life. And that is me giving you the benefit of the doubt that you EVER had a girlfriend.
See? That is what you do, when the facts are polar opposite of your claims.- reed311, on 05/04/2008, -2/+2Yeah, I always get a kick when they accuse people of working for the Government because the dislike Ron Paul. It's ironic. They sit around all day promoting and defending a Government employee, like Ron Paul, and then they accuse the people who speak against that employee as working for the Government.
The Government has better things to do than employee people to bury stories on a website. In fact, they wouldn't even need to employee people to do it. I'm sure they could just send a few emails and have him removed from the site.
- reed311, on 05/04/2008, -2/+2Yeah, I always get a kick when they accuse people of working for the Government because the dislike Ron Paul. It's ironic. They sit around all day promoting and defending a Government employee, like Ron Paul, and then they accuse the people who speak against that employee as working for the Government.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -6/+11doesn't change the fact you are bury brigade troll scum.
- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -12/+5Who is the troll? I asked you to compare the issues pages of two Presidential Candidates websites. YOUR "candidate" falls well short, yet you claim he is the one with the "details.
Rather than comparing the facts, you troll away, and resort to personal attacks/red herrings/insanely idiotic claims (yeah, the government gives such a ***** about Ron Paul, they employ people to bury Digg articles. How stupid do you have to be to even make that claim? Pretty ***** stupid, is the answer).
That would be YOU being the troll, little boy... - Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -3/+9See my reply.... I think you'll find enough substance there to not repeat your claim that Ron Paul has no real plans.
- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -12/+5Who is the troll? I asked you to compare the issues pages of two Presidential Candidates websites. YOUR "candidate" falls well short, yet you claim he is the one with the "details.
- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -13/+6you literally live for the red herring, and changing the subject when the facts don't fit your *****, don't you? I'd be willing to bet you have never had a girlfriend for more than two months in your life. And that is me giving you the benefit of the doubt that you EVER had a girlfriend.
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -4/+7Hmmm. You've got a point ssn697. Obama is a crackhead so he will surely fix half the problems of the last 70 years by ending the drug war...oh wait.
google Larry Sinclair
and as for hitlary: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ ...
(the clinton 'body count')- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -4/+4"google Larry Sinclair"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lq9uiEm5_T8- floatingorb, on 05/04/2008, -3/+4Well, that was funny but I doubt that guy passes his lie detector test. Funny, but buried anyways.
- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -4/+2"I doubt that guy passes his lie detector test"
Why are you being an ass and bringing up Larry Sinclair who has even less mental acuity than this guy? - floatingorb, on 05/04/2008, -3/+3Because "less mental acuity"==less chance of spoofing a LDT. Dugg for an appropriate question.
- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -1/+4"Because "less mental acuity"==less chance of spoofing a LDT. Dugg for an appropriate question."
1) http://www.skepdic.com/polygrap.html
2) Sinclair failed his, either way you look at it. - floatingorb, on 05/04/2008, -0/+2I yield. It is a stupid instrument often used for coercion, after all.
- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -1/+3"I yield. It is a stupid instrument often used for coercion, after all."
Yep, thankfully it's out of favor in a court of law, they're primarily used as a means to gain a legal confession from people who think it has a magic "can separate truth from lies" ability. It's about as useful as the Scientologist's e-meter in that manner. - Bilabrin, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Yeah, that's why I love that evil "moment of truth" show so much! They can pretty much make these people humiliate themselves and their familieson national TV and when they go for the $100,000 question they are all of a sudden LYING!. BAM. No money based "supposedly" on LDT results!
- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -4/+4"google Larry Sinclair"
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -6/+10Ron Paul does have plans. He submits many many bills each year. You should read a few. Here's some links.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=4003 ...
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2007/10/20/ron ...
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/22/new-ron ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation_sponsored ...
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/2513
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7582
http://www.infowars.net/articles/august2007/060807 ...
http://www.downsizedc.net/2008/feb/26/ron_paus_hea ...
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/473/ron_paul_i ...
http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday425.php
Tell us all again who actually has plans, and who jsut throws together a few paragraphs of whining?- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -8/+4And yet he has NEVER had one of his bills make it to law. Obama has. Obama has a much better track record, even in his little time in the Senate, so you fail again.
Now, GO TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ISSUES PAGES. I felt I had to go with caps, since you can't seem to find it in the other post (you wouldn't be ignoring that, would you?) Again, you fail.
Enjoy your pointless banter, and enjoy helping each other ignore the truth. I am heading back out to the Vegas strip with my sweetheart. You know, spend more of that worthless money...- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -3/+6Your attempt to frame the issue in terms of "GO TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ISSUES PAGES" amuses me because it holds as much water as when hillary says she has the popular vote if you count Michigan where Obama was not on the ballot. But, I did go to their pages.
I see that Obama does have a section called "Barack Obama's Plan" in the issues and his PDF but his statements of intent are vague. Ron Pauls positions are concrete and his intent can bee seen SPECIFICALLYin the bills I referenced . A bill is not a vaguely defined animal. On his issues page Ron Paul has over 400 speeches and writings describing his plans and intent. His videos all clearly present specific actions he would take. "I.E. I would get rid of the IRS and the FED"
Are you seriously trying to tell me that because he didn't have guy make a section on his website called "My Plan" and fill it with vague mission statemnts that he has "no plans" and is "just a whiner?" Sounds a bit Hillaryesque to me.
It's easy to try to criticize someone for not having "plans" when they oppose the creation of huge government beuracracies but even so, your specific point, even within your own biased framing device, is wrong. You sir fail. I was able to find Ron , in his own words , explicitly detailing what actions he would take on each and every issue.
Have fun in vegas, too bad you can't stick around to continue the conversation but I'll take the last word. - floatingorb, on 05/04/2008, -2/+6@ssn697 RE: Obama and "issues"
Yea, that is what is called rhetoric. Obama is just another CFR allied tool. You are correct that Paul never gets any of his bills to law--it's against the fascist (corporatism) status quo. Yet, He was the one to introduce the bill for authorization/declaration/supplemental spending of war in Iraq {a constitutional thing to vote on} -- He rightly voted against his own bill. - ssn697, on 05/04/2008, -1/+3You seem unwilling to put any effort in on this. Here is Obama health care plan (I don't agree with it, but here it is):
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/HealthPlanFull.pdf
15 page detailed plan
Ron Paul? Half of one web page (let me guess: Quantity doesn't equal quality, right?)
Obama's plan for Iraq:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactShee ...
Ron Paul: NO plan, other than to say we need to get out. Really, shockingly sparse. Lots of complaining, but nothing concrete.
That is just two quick examples, regarding two of the biggest issues. Ron Paul does a LOT of complaining, but very little in the way of detailed resolution. You are just so enamored, and so happy to just hear the complaining, you can see the forest through the woods.
Oh, and your list of links? You had to do a quick google to have a list of links about your candidate, and that is what you chose. Really, if you are going to defend a candidate, at least TRY to pretend you have spent time researching him...
Wish I had more time, but I need to go enjoy the last of my weekend. - chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -1/+2"Ron Paul? Half of one web page (let me guess: Quantity doesn't equal quality, right?)"
How much of a web page do you really need to say "Free Market" and "States Rights", come on now. - Bilabrin, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2@SSN697 Well, I think that kind of illustrates the difference between Ron Paul and the Dem's. The Dem's had a tax plan which ended up with the US TAX CODE. A document so elaborate, long and convoluted that you can make a career out of being familiar with it and all of it's eccentricities. Boxes and Boxes worth of text my friend.
Now Ron Paul's plan is this: End the IRS. The free market will handle the sundry details much more elegantly. I'm not saying the free market is perfect. I know it has flaws but they can be addressed by the individual or non-governmental groups excluding fraud/collusion and corruption which no-one is arguing should not be handled by government in it's protective role. The more local the government, the more effective.
So, to your point, a good plan does not necessarily need to be complex to be effective. If you want the details to Ron Paul's plans read his bills. I guess this is the fundamental difference between Libertarians and liberals; Libertarians assume you will do a little research on your own. This philosophy is embodied in the phrase "buyer beware."
- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -3/+6Your attempt to frame the issue in terms of "GO TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ISSUES PAGES" amuses me because it holds as much water as when hillary says she has the popular vote if you count Michigan where Obama was not on the ballot. But, I did go to their pages.
- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -6/+3"http://www.larouchepac.com/"
laffo
Also AAPSonline.org who claim
* that the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional,
* that "humanists" have conspired to replace the "creation religion of Jehovah" with evolution,
* that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has not caused global warming,
* that HIV does not cause AIDS,
* that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -1/+5Yeah, some of the links lead to weird sites but basically I added them after a quick google search because the pages in question were an announcement of the facts of bills that Ron Paul has introduced. Nothing weird about the evidence itself.
I mean that'd be like saying Rev. Wrigts comment that the govenment created AIDS means all Obama supporters are crazy. - chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -3/+3"Yeah, some of the links lead to weird sites but basically I added them after a quick google search because the pages in question were an announcement of the facts of bills that Ron Paul has introduced. Nothing weird about the evidence itself.
I mean that'd be like saying Rev. Wrigts comment that the govenment created AIDS means all Obama supporters are crazy."
I wasn't calling you crazy, just suggesting you choose better sources :) - floatingorb, on 05/04/2008, -2/+3 chaosium: * that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has not caused global warming*
Any long-term increase in CO2 is mostly as a RESULT of GW. That is, warmer water holds less gas. Not that I'm an atmospheric physist or anything; I'm just sayin' that what man does is a small ripple on natural variation. What we need to fear is global cooling as that is the real problem. We missed our *interglacial* this time around and I blame the industrial revolution for it.
- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -1/+5Yeah, some of the links lead to weird sites but basically I added them after a quick google search because the pages in question were an announcement of the facts of bills that Ron Paul has introduced. Nothing weird about the evidence itself.
- ssn697, on 05/03/2008, -8/+4And yet he has NEVER had one of his bills make it to law. Obama has. Obama has a much better track record, even in his little time in the Senate, so you fail again.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -6/+13its so cute to see bury brigade get in trouble with their bosses for allowing this story to become popular!
- buhbyebot, on 05/03/2008, -30/+6You may be right, but RP doesn't have a chance in hell, so you have a choice of 3 people that are in this race. Two of them stink to high heaven of a career and life in DC doing *****. That leaves the third, whom is much younger can maybe do something positive. What the ***** are you going to do about it now? The ball is in your court.
- cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -4/+45 "We gotta know what we believe in"
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/03/2008, -2/+26"Believe" in nothing and no-one. Pay complete attention all the time, and stop trying to trust something or someone so you can go on "automatic pilot".Then you will always see and hear what is actually happening, and who or what to trust at that moment alone. There is no continuing safety, security, or certainty.
- cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -2/+22Agreed.
Quote from the good DR. aimed at the GOP.
- cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -2/+22Agreed.
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/03/2008, -2/+26"Believe" in nothing and no-one. Pay complete attention all the time, and stop trying to trust something or someone so you can go on "automatic pilot".Then you will always see and hear what is actually happening, and who or what to trust at that moment alone. There is no continuing safety, security, or certainty.
- m2garand, on 05/03/2008, -3/+51Stay in the race, keep getting the word out.
- Kindjal, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2I love how he is not dancing around 'tough' questions. He admits that it is not about putting a REP in to the White house, he honestly answers the question about who he likes best and says Obama. This guy deserves some respect! I have not seen many politicians be so honest!
- tajitj, on 05/03/2008, -4/+48The people still have a choice if they are sick of the other 3. Look into what he believes, you will be surprised how much you agree with him.
http://www.ronpaul.com/ - CurtisLow101, on 05/03/2008, -5/+46Dr. Paul must win or this country we call home is doomed.
- Kent4jmj, on 05/03/2008, -3/+42Second very positive interview in the past few days. Nice. Why? Not that I'm complaining but it is curious.
- PaulSupporter, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2I think it's because the MSM no longer considers him a threat to the establishment. Back in Jan., he was really gaining momentum and that's when they decided to bury him w/ the newsletters, then the media blackout. It really sucks but at least he's getting exposure again and more importantly - delegates!!
- Kent4jmj, on 05/03/2008, -4/+44By the way I threw another 10 bucks at Paul as a campaign contribution. Thought maybe we should keep that going as well.
- Kent4jmj, on 05/03/2008, -4/+40The hits on this are going up fast. Nice.
- cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -3/+44The Race is still ON! DIGG IT!
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 05/03/2008, -4/+42Getting involved with a Ron Paul meetup group http://ronpaul.meetup.com has changed my life. I learned from other people in the group who have been trying to change the Republican Party, how the political system really works. Here's an example http://alternativeconservative.com/caucus
I didn't make Delegate this year, but maybe I will in a couple of years. The one important thing is, I at least know who my precinct delegates are in my neighborhood (except for one they're all over 65). These are the people who vote on who winds up on the ballot for the Congress and the Senate. This is how we can each clean up our own party. Do you see how important this is?
Even if someone doesn't want to be a delegate, we all need to start showing up for caucuses whether for the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. We need to know who our delegates are, so we can at least present them with information.
I'm buying a copy of http://iraqforsale.org and giving it to each of the delegates in my precinct.
In the state where I live some of the precincts didn't have anyone show up for the caucus. In those cases the state Republican Party appointed insiders like family members as delegates. Do you see how bad this is?
Democrats, if you could get Nanci Pelosi out of office so we can get Bush impeached (she's blocking it) I would be ecstatic. Shirley Golub is trying to trying to take Nanci Pelosi's seat in Congress so she can spearhead getting Bush and Cheney impeached http://www.shirley08.com/rubber_chicken.php- sassey, on 05/04/2008, -0/+6Good work, friend!
- Kent4jmj, on 05/03/2008, -4/+37Delegates and state/district caucuses are very powerful and can be influenced easily if enough people go. I voted for the Paul slate at ours and we actually got a couple of them elected the "old timers" didn't know what hit em. they were flabbergasted.
- cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -4/+27Yea!
http://www.shirley08.com/rubber_chicken.php - Kent4jmj, on 05/03/2008, -4/+30http://digg.com/politics/Alaska_s_Gull_Island_Oil_ ...
Paul people digg this article. Another reason we need Paul and to get government out of regulating oil. There is no oil shortage. - cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -4/+35Book Bomb
http://www.ronpaulbookbomb.com/ - FindLiberty, on 05/03/2008, -5/+341st choice) Word gets out to enough voters so that Ron Paul can be elected POTUS in November 2008. Save the USA!
2nd choice) Word gets out to enough people over the next few years to save this country from an economic collapse (recession and fiat money becomes worthless) and the looming, freedom loathing dictatorship that will follow. Screw the NWO!
3rd choice) Someone will remember that we tried to get this message disseminated before TSHTF. - PowerPaulPayOff, on 05/03/2008, -2/+38The more he talks, the more I admire him :-)
- mjorje, on 05/03/2008, -5/+29214 diggs and not pop
weird - larsons55, on 05/03/2008, -36/+4Why do people support this racist 19th century demagogue?
He is ant-worker rights and pro-dead miners! He voted against mining safety standards saying that the business owners will protect their workers.
Remember Murray? That strip mining ***** head that lost all those men in those unsafe mines he ran?
Well Ron Paul supports Murray and says tough ***** to the coal miners.
Ron Paul is wrong for America.- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -3/+18no, you are just WRONG period.
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -2/+18Look more closely at a bill. Ron Paul does. Your comments are like saying that if you vote against the patriot act you are not a patriot or that if you vote against a bill entitled "protect America act" you must want America to be vulnerable. Ron Paul understands that the devil is in the details. Look more closely and you will find that there was something unconstitutional or anti-states rights in the bill.
- worldchanger, on 05/03/2008, -2/+12EPIC FAIL.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/04/2008, -1/+13How could you be such a simple minded moron? Learn about the bills he votes against and why he did. Better yet, read from the man himself: ronpaullibrary.org
- cyndezu, on 05/03/2008, -5/+23Trolls moving in.. but why?
- Erich100, on 05/04/2008, -0/+6They keep saying his candidacy is dead yet they still have a need to kill it again and again. I think they're still nervous.
- thadizzle, on 05/03/2008, -4/+32"racist 19th-century demagogue"..."Anti-worker rights and pro-dead miners"... You are a piece of work. You should try to understand why RP takes the stances that he does before calling him ignorant and slanderous names.
- larsons55, on 05/03/2008, -21/+6Why is Ron Paul for dead coal miners? He voted against mining safety laws 3 times. Why does ron paul hate the working men and woman of America?
Also Ron Paul produced wrote and financed 20 years worth of hate news letters you ignorant Paulbot!- unearth, on 05/03/2008, -2/+17Sorry, but using the line "Why does ___ hate ___" is the part of the recipe for Instant Jackass.
Throw in the addition of "bot" to the end of the candidates name, and then you're cooking.- larsons55, on 05/03/2008, -11/+1thanks ***** for not answering the question.
- unearth, on 05/03/2008, -2/+17Sorry, but using the line "Why does ___ hate ___" is the part of the recipe for Instant Jackass.
- larsons55, on 05/03/2008, -21/+6Why is Ron Paul for dead coal miners? He voted against mining safety laws 3 times. Why does ron paul hate the working men and woman of America?
- onetimer, on 05/03/2008, -35/+10Question to supporters: How do you feel about Paul's idea to use campaign contributions to start a FOR-PROFIT publishing company? Sounds very unethical just to take money people donated being told that it would go to furthering his presidential ambitions, and instead spend it on a company that only he - and not his supporters - would profit from.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020 ...- larsons55, on 05/03/2008, -26/+9Paulbots are in denial about running up their parents credit card and now that money is being used to start a publishing company to further his 1800's world view.
- BrapAllgood, on 05/03/2008, -4/+16Larsonbots sumthin' sumthin, sumthin' sumthin'.
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -7/+22Riding the wave, man. Powers-that-be would never allow him control but now he has a loud voice for IDEAS and TRUTHS are continuing to be spread; THAT is revolution in this age! And Paul speaks truth to me. {as an example: I hate the drug war..always have..always knew that anything called *war* was just a way to repress us and sidestep law}
Troll,
No terrorist ever took away my rights {While the right to life was taken from some on 9/11, I dare say that it was not "islamofasicts" that did the taking /false flag}. Wake up and smell the roadblocks!! I celebrate them as "Veteran Americans who fought and died in vain for freedom day." -- That helps as all i've got left is to KNOW the truth.- onetimer, on 05/03/2008, -18/+8So... Instead of answering my question you want on a quasi-insane rambling about 9/11 (which you contend was a "false flag") and another unrelated rant about more things I didn't ask.
Do you other paul supporters think guys like floatingorb are actually helping you movement??- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -7/+18"Question to supporters: How do you feel about Paul's idea to use campaign contributions to start a FOR-PROFIT publishing company?"
I thought I answered that one. I did not intend to speak for others--Let me rephrase: I am one RP supporter who thinks the publishing company is the best thing that can be done to keep the *message and the movement* alive. I had never registered to vote before in my life (knowing it was all rigged and manipulated). But Dr. Paul cured my apathy. - onetimer, on 05/03/2008, -18/+6How is starting a "publishing company" helping the movement? If he wanted to "keep the message allive", why doesn't he just spend the money on giving his book away for free instead?
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -5/+17Cost/benefit analysis. If he were to give it away for free then he could only give away less than a mil of them (assuming $4 per book production/delivery costs) -- And many of those would be accepted and happily burned by the likes of you. Support for the message yeilds monetary sustainability for the message to continue to be stated.
I smell a "crisis of perception" on your part. Or are you truly one of those loosers that only reads the *free ****** they cram in you're mailbox? Bed Bath and Beyond much do you? (I thought so) - BrapAllgood, on 05/04/2008, -3/+12"Bed Bath and Beyond much do you?"
It's not just us?!? IT'S NOT JUST US!!!!!
Pardon me. I really thought it was just us. - conceptkid, on 05/04/2008, -2/+13Well *****, why dont you just volunteer at your job then? Tell your boss you don't want money anymore, I mean you care about your country don't you? Why are you taking money from them? Especially when all you do at work is surf digg?
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -5/+17Cost/benefit analysis. If he were to give it away for free then he could only give away less than a mil of them (assuming $4 per book production/delivery costs) -- And many of those would be accepted and happily burned by the likes of you. Support for the message yeilds monetary sustainability for the message to continue to be stated.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -8/+17It's the zionist bury brigade leader Onetimer spreading manure again.
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -1/+17"How is starting a "publishing company" helping the movement? If he wanted to "keep the message allive", why doesn't he just spend the money on giving his book away for free instead?"
Well, I think the term "for-profit" is a misleading technical term. We all know that the "profits" will be recycled to grow the business. They could even be used to fund free book giveaways. That would be much more effective in the long term than a one-time giveaway. No pun intended.
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -7/+18"Question to supporters: How do you feel about Paul's idea to use campaign contributions to start a FOR-PROFIT publishing company?"
- onetimer, on 05/03/2008, -18/+8So... Instead of answering my question you want on a quasi-insane rambling about 9/11 (which you contend was a "false flag") and another unrelated rant about more things I didn't ask.
- AndyWhite, on 05/03/2008, -4/+20I donated money to Ron Paul. I have no problem with this.
- kemp34, on 05/03/2008, -4/+15Same here. The more money and books produced that encourage liberty, the better. I will be very happy if my donations become seed money for a productive enterprise.
- homah, on 05/03/2008, -5/+6I am opposed to it. I do not believe the rumors are true, but we shall see.
- neuron79, on 05/03/2008, -2/+14If it is legal, I have no problem with this whatsoever.
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -13/+3Libertarianism in a nutshell.
- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -2/+11No, not really, not really at all.
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -13/+3Libertarianism in a nutshell.
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -2/+18"Sounds very unethical just to take money people donated being told that it would go to furthering his presidential ambitions, and instead spend it on a company that only he - and not his supporters - would profit from."
Ah but his supporters would profit from it. This company would be created to spead the philosophy of Ron Paul and his supportes. People who sent him money wanted it to be used to spead his message so I don't think it's a betrayal to spend this money in this way.
Now, as far as profti goes, you might make the argument that he is just trying to make money but this would not be consistent with anything else the Dr. has said or done if you look at his history of speech and actions. The profit will likely be re-invested in the company and to spread the message in perpetuity.
To be honest Onetime, none of us are up in arms about this. We don't see it as a conflict.- kemp34, on 05/03/2008, -3/+16I would rather have my money go to a productive enterprise than just consumed via another ad or giving away books. I don't think these people understand the idea of how capital works.
- worldchanger, on 05/03/2008, -3/+18even if this IS the case, do you honestly think the people who donated to Ron Paul would have a problem with him using that money to further spread the message that they support? I kinda doubt it. unless you've been asleep for the past year, you've probably noticed that Ron Paul fans are extremely passionate about their views, and they'd do anything to spread them further.
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -11/+3The money is universally refunded by a failed political candidate.
- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -2/+12I'd be willing to bet that given the choice of a refund or putting the money towards this company that less than 1% of all donors would want it back.
Oh, and "failed" is not an appropriate term to describe Ron Paul. He may not have won this election but I believe his campaign has altered the course of american history and will continue to do so.- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -7/+3"Oh, and "failed" is not an appropriate term to describe Ron Paul. He may not have won this election but I believe his campaign has altered the course of american history and will continue to do so."
I agree and I disagree. He ran during a time of great change, and while not a particular instrument of change, he did alert a not-tiny percentage of people to the power that they have to affect national politics. He did not win any contests, and the internet pollspamming/digg efforts proved fairly useless, but the comparatively strong presence for an independent was ultimately interesting and something that the Dems and Repubs will have to look out for in future national elections. - Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -1/+10@chaosium
Wait, did you just say something I don't disagree with? I actually dugg that comment up.
Also...I like your old pic better, reminded me of the pattern on a basketball. - chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -5/+3What the hell am I getting dugg down for?
His internet organization methods worked, but attempting to "preach to the internet choir" convinced nobody. Be honest with yourselves here. - Bilabrin, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2"What the hell am I getting dugg down for?"
That's how it is sometimes on Digg. Don't make the mistakeof thinking that if you get dugg down that you were wrong or that if you get dugg up that you had a good point. This is an artificial reality where people say and do things they never would in real life. A good place to test ideas and theories but not not a typical slice of of humanity so don't let it affect your emotions one way or aother. Easier said than done.
- chaosium, on 05/04/2008, -7/+3"Oh, and "failed" is not an appropriate term to describe Ron Paul. He may not have won this election but I believe his campaign has altered the course of american history and will continue to do so."
- Bilabrin, on 05/04/2008, -2/+12I'd be willing to bet that given the choice of a refund or putting the money towards this company that less than 1% of all donors would want it back.
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -11/+3The money is universally refunded by a failed political candidate.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/04/2008, -6/+13onetimer, are you so ***** selfish and petty that you would try to sabotage the support of the greatest leader America could ever have just so Israel gets more American tax dollars and more wars fought for it?
Let me guess, you support McCain?
Move to Israel. You don't give a ***** about America. - LadyKofNYC, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5Onetimer, most of us Ron Paul supporters are OK with publishing company to help spread the message of liberty.
That said, Onetimer, you didn't donate one dime of your money or one minute of your time, hell you didn't even offer one word of encouragement, so what Ron Paul does with his campaign funds is REALLY none of your business, so please do ***** off. - Kent4jmj, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1If it were illegal the Feds would be all over it and Dr. Paul would be in jail given the amount of hate both sides of the aisle have against him.
- larsons55, on 05/03/2008, -26/+9Paulbots are in denial about running up their parents credit card and now that money is being used to start a publishing company to further his 1800's world view.
- Bith8654, on 05/03/2008, -3/+22The problem with this article is with a title like THE RACE IS STILL ON, everyone thinks its another damn hillary article, they should have mentioned RP in the title or the caption.
- bjstiktrix, on 05/03/2008, -8/+5lol
- nickcozy, on 05/03/2008, -8/+20Pro Obama trolls seem to be lurking digging down all facts and truth,give up losers.
- onetimer, on 05/03/2008, -30/+8By the way, I buried this as inaccurate (although it seems to have been buried off the front page now). You people (digg) can't claim that the "race is over" for hillary (like the article on the front page), and then post a video claiming "the race is still on" for a candidate that has 63 times less support than the nominee.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -6/+17STFU bury brigade zionist traitor troll
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -6/+11Not that Id' ever defend Onetimer but you have to understand how he thinks.
I myself have Jewish ancestry and it gives me a little insight. You see in the light of the Holocaust, Jewish people are very sensitive about persecution or even percieved persecution. There is a great anger and even humiliation bout it. Some even think to themselves "Why didn't we fight, or fight harder instead of letting ourselves be rounded up and systematically murdered." The phrase "never again" is indicative of the attitude by most modfern jews that we will never again allow this to happen to Jews. In this light one has to understand that anyone critical of U.S. support for Isreal will be seen by them in antithetical terms. Ron Paul is such a man but he is not anti-jew or even anti-isreal but merely pro-american, as we well know.
I don't hate or dislike Onetimer for his views because I kind of see where he is coming from and yet, I cannot respect them either because when you have your fist clenched that tight, there is no room for negotiation either. It's kind of like being a fundamentalist. I too am guilty zealotry but mine is for America, justice, truth, morality, the constitution, universal prosperity, doing the right thing, and fairness, all of which are embodied in my support for Ron Paul.- kemp34, on 05/03/2008, -4/+11Nice post. I don't have much respect for onetimer either, but, like you, I try to at least see where he is coming from.
- onetimer, on 05/04/2008, -5/+7You're both ***** crazy. Godamn you people I've *NEVER* brought up israel in a conversation about paul. The "zionist" label is just a boogey-man you people use to try and justify someone not liking paul.
- brad3378, on 05/04/2008, -2/+5Hey - what's this "you people" *****? Chillax!!
Seriously though,
I couldn't care less about Israel.
My big issue is the national debt.
- brad3378, on 05/04/2008, -2/+5Hey - what's this "you people" *****? Chillax!!
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -6/+11Not that Id' ever defend Onetimer but you have to understand how he thinks.
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -5/+12onetimer,
The *race* is, and I quote Bilabrin here, "for America, justice, truth, morality, the constitution, universal prosperity, doing the right thing, and fairness" The media has decided who our next 'figurehead puppet' will be {A=B=C=more of the same *****} just as legitimate and respected as what we have now, I suppose. The presidency has been made a joke...I'ts not what the *race* is about. - m2garand, on 05/03/2008, -5/+11Just admit onetimer, you don't like Ron Paul because he doesn't support taking the US to war with Iran to advance Israeli interests. You hate him because he is loyal to America instead of Israel.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/04/2008, -5/+10Hey, you don't give a ***** about America, move to Israel!
- DeepFriedFetus, on 05/04/2008, -2/+2I strongly doubt that Ron Paul supporters are saying that the race is over for Hillary - that's the Obama supporters. Why would a Ron Paul Republican be concerned with Hillary the Neocon's tactics?
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -6/+17STFU bury brigade zionist traitor troll
- chaosium, on 05/03/2008, -23/+4Ron Paul is like Amway for bootstrappers.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -3/+16another troll from the bury brigade! you idiots are BOOTLICKERS.
- BrapAllgood, on 05/04/2008, -1/+10http://brapallgood.com/random/snippets/LickItLickT ...
- LadyKofNYC, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6Oh my God! My speakers were turned up. That scared the ***** out of me!! lol.
- BrapAllgood, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Apologies, LadyK. :) After submitting it, I figured I might've left a warning. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to say so.
It was one of 104 samples I culled from that particular 'rant' yesterday and it just seemed right to share it. Wait until I finish the song (called "To Serve and to Protect"). It's laughs. - BrapAllgood, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3A little effort and a few minutes later, I can share some of the laughs:
http://brapallgood.com/random/ToServeandtoProtect_ ...
This one is longer and probably about as loud. And with that warning, I say ENJOY. I'm going back to it when my ears are rested better. :)
- BrapAllgood, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Apologies, LadyK. :) After submitting it, I figured I might've left a warning. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to say so.
- LadyKofNYC, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6Oh my God! My speakers were turned up. That scared the ***** out of me!! lol.
- BrapAllgood, on 05/04/2008, -1/+10http://brapallgood.com/random/snippets/LickItLickT ...
- Bilabrin, on 05/03/2008, -2/+16"Bootstrappers?"
Is that a term for productive people who make an affort to help themselves and others? People who self-educate and encourage others to do the same?
God forbid people make an effort to be helpful to others and society and not be rewarded for mediocrity and failure.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -3/+16another troll from the bury brigade! you idiots are BOOTLICKERS.
- sunguard, on 05/03/2008, -1/+30you would have to be a ***** MORON to have a problem with RON PAUL . You like endless war NICKCOSY? You like being ripped off by your govenment? You like being LIED to EVERY ***** DAY? You like having your HUMAN RIGHTS being flushed down the toilet? If you have a problem with Ron Paul you are NOT an American. So shut the ***** up and go live in communist China or something.
- bohemianowl, on 05/03/2008, -1/+16Either morons or traitors who have something to gain by oppressing US citizens.
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/03/2008, -1/+29It's not over 'til the fat lady sings, and she's not celebrating yet
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -0/+10Yea, McInsane is looking kinda sick (I think his brain chip has malfunctioned)--who knows what could happen. What's the GOP going to do if the 'ol Johnnyboy shill (who is not supposed to win anyways) were to drop dead? Oh, I know: "I'm Suckabee and I support Ghouliani. I'm Romney and I support Ghouliani..bla..bla...bla" No. The "fat lady" ain't sung yet and none knows when she will as she's had a very sore throat lately.
- GoodWyfe, on 05/04/2008, -0/+6Somehow, I doubt McInsane's pallor and general malaise is caused by a brain chip. Most likely is the late-stage syphilis which affects the brain as well as the musculoskeletal system. Hey, maybe Michael Jackson will want to buy McInsane's boiled skeleton when he croaks within the next two years! Better value than Joseph "Elephant Man" Merrick, for sure.
- floatingorb, on 05/03/2008, -0/+10Yea, McInsane is looking kinda sick (I think his brain chip has malfunctioned)--who knows what could happen. What's the GOP going to do if the 'ol Johnnyboy shill (who is not supposed to win anyways) were to drop dead? Oh, I know: "I'm Suckabee and I support Ghouliani. I'm Romney and I support Ghouliani..bla..bla...bla" No. The "fat lady" ain't sung yet and none knows when she will as she's had a very sore throat lately.
- littlepear, on 05/03/2008, -1/+31I received my copy of The Revolution, and I have to read it in the bathroom because my husband thinks I'm being "too political." I love it! Ron Paul has cured my apathy for this potentially freer country.
- m2garand, on 05/03/2008, -1/+30This story is an example what is wrong with this web site. 293 diggs and 11 buries and the 11 buries win out. I had the bury recorder on this site since it was at 53 diggs. Not only that the buries are anonymous. If this site doesn't fix this they are going to lose out to competitors like Mixx or Reddit.
http://www.ajaxonomy.com/buryrecorder/- cyndezu, on 05/04/2008, -0/+19completely AGREE! The bury feature is unjust!
- PaulSupporter, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1I've been suspicious of Digg for awhile and now I believe that they are part of the msm too. I'm going to stop posting and digging articles to Digg, I'm tired of their *****!
- cyndezu, on 05/04/2008, -0/+19completely AGREE! The bury feature is unjust!
- dontclickhere06, on 05/04/2008, -0/+16damn right it is.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/04/2008, -0/+21Thank god for the Ron Paul movement.
- john2kdiggs, on 05/04/2008, -0/+18McCain, Obama and Clinton all seek to bankrupt our nation in different ways. With those 3 we end up in the same terrible place regardless.
Ron Paul is very different. He actually wants to do good things for the people of this nation. We can either work with him or watch the ship that is America eventually sink. - cyndezu, on 05/04/2008, -0/+16Stop drinking the Kool-aid!
Wake - up!
VOTE Ron Paul 2008 - USNavyBlue, on 05/04/2008, -1/+16"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide." John Adams
"A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. "The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty. Fisher Ames who authored House Language for the First Amendment
Tens of millions of Americans have also taken up the mob mentality. Under "our democracy" they continue to demand mother government, with the sweat off your back, provide them with health care, child care, jobs and more "entitlements." In response to these demands from desperate Americans, these poltroons in Congress will be only to happy to oblige. Americans are being pitted against each other in this battle. Those who live the creed of the brilliant, courageous men who birthed this nation are self reliant, determined, masters of our own destiny. We refuse to lay down our rights and freedoms in favor of the heavy hand of government stealing the fruits of our labor to reward invaders, corrupt politicians and fund foreign interests. We are up against those who are accepting the communist morality doctrine, walking into the trap created by Congress and the state legislatures. Instead of holding them accountable, under mobocracy, the legions continue to vote for corrupt scoundrels in public office who break what doesn't need fixing and then steal from the public purse under the guise of "fixing it."
The mobs of democracy are stomping our republic into the ground while cowardly, degenerate politicians grovel for their votes. Democracy underground or above ground is still the same thing: disaster and a bastardization of our legal form of government. The results of pursuing such a path is glaring us in the face from coast to coast, border to border. Trying to shove democracy down the throat of foreign countries like Iraq is nothing short of insanity.
The Founding Fathers, men like Patrick Henry and young Master Nathan Hale, were called radicals and extremists because they disagreed with the loyalists, subjects of the British Crown who wished to remain under the control of a tyrant out of fear or because they benefited financially. In Mel Gibson's movie, The Patriot, he had a great line in the beginning of the movie, "Would you rather have one tyrant 3,000 miles away or 3,000 tyrants one mile away?"
I've been called a radical because I refuse to get on my knees and live my life under a tyrannical government. Patrick Henry and those who spilled their blood and gave up all their material possessions to birth this republic were called radicals. I am proud to wear that label.
Time is slipping by and Americans need to grasp that things are not going to be the same for a long, long time. Despite the bald faced lies coming out of Washington, the worst is yet to come.- cyndezu, on 05/04/2008, -1/+12The Revolution has spawned some marvelous patriot's!
- bohemianowl, on 05/04/2008, -1/+10and were gonna pwn some traitors!
- cyndezu, on 05/04/2008, -1/+12The Revolution has spawned some marvelous patriot's!
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/04/2008, -0/+10This idea, attitude that we are "entitled" to live off the product of the labor of others "free", rampant from bottom to top in nearly all human cultures and societies is millennial. The same attitude toward government is just an extension of that, projecting co-dependency beyond ones personal circle of family and friends to the population as a whole. We then relentlessly attach to whatever current personality claiming the idea of Authority to deliver the fruits of other's labor to us. Hence the heartless, miserable human drama of givers and takers, perpetually generating conflicts.
- itsmesunny, on 05/04/2008, -0/+14ron paul is a magnificent man and we need him for our president more now than any time in history.
his new book "the revolution - a manifesto" will change hearts and minds.
i am proud to support ron paul! - cyndezu, on 05/04/2008, -0/+8400 yea!
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