@suchenzang the fact that it is a business is a feature, & not a bug.

that keeps incentive structures aligned at the most primitive market levels as opposed to fluff.

@suchenzang whose knowledge did they use to get frontier capabilities? They owe humanity the cure to diseases

anthropic doesn't owe anyone "frontier capabilities".

none of the labs do.

they are all simply selling a product, or a story, that people pay for.

that aside, the more telling bit is how far anthropic is willing to go to secure a narrative around "capability slowdown", post a massive raise, before an ipo, and with enterprise contracts rising for those rich enough to pay to similarly keep up the image of "powered-by/secured-by agentic AI".

with the amount of capex spent so far, this was never meant to be some democratizing technology "for the people".

this is all simply just business.

@xanderjanz @suchenzang They owe allegiance to Capitalism, competition and free markets, with minimal Cronyism. They should stay out of politics entirely. They don't owe anyone beyond supplying products for a price and meeting the terms of contracts, and paying their taxes as required by law.

I think they're a real shitty service provider, evidenced by how often their products go down and how they toggle usage limits without warning. But that's beside the point.

I hate the moral grand-standing they do, with Dario on helm, saying how they're the only ones who can be trusted with bringing about an aligned AGI.

@suchenzang Where did all the training data used to train the LLMs come from again?

Im sorry but the data they used to get where they are, especially in the early innings, is very much owned to society. They are actively shutting the door behind them after walking a path thanks to all of us. It’s despicable and must be called out, but I can’t say in surprise by anything these guys do at this point, I saw through their shenanigans long ago

@suchenzang Not saying we should nationalize them but philosophically all US companies owe everything to the US people. No organized technology would be possible without the laws and security provided by the State.

@suchenzang Except it’s a money losing business lol

@suchenzang I am sorry but fable/mythos is a tier on its own no other model from other labs is close, I pay for 200$ sub in both anth and openai, I feel I get much more value from anth a this point, I am ready to pays 400$ sub for anth and close my sub of openai if it means to keep fable use

@suchenzang I think this is why we’re all pissed:

@suchenzang The problem is that much of their team and fans seem to believe a narrative that is not true

@suchenzang Anthropic will eventually be apart of the s&p500 and thus millions of working peoples 401ks and Iras. They ABSOLUTELY do owe people frontier capabilities, otherwise what is their value as a publicly traded company ? This is an industry funded by people’s retirement accounts

@signulll @suchenzang it's not a normal business though

@suchenzang What's with all these conspiracy theories? Anthropic has a coherent system of beliefs and goals and is acting like someone following those goals would act.

@suchenzang Well they sure do owe it to me, speak for yourself

@Samballington @suchenzang ...to generate a solid risk-adjusted return for said shareholders.

@suchenzang It's crazy the enshittification is starting pre-IPO. I guess being a private company does not protect users from it. The really infuriating thing is trying to frame it as safety, when it's pure anticompetitive practices and marketing.

@suchenzang Yes, so we should not do business with them until they stop seeking to control everyone.

1000%. I think the issue (at least the one I take) is the disingenuous framing just say it’s a business decision personally I have no problem with that and it’s probably the right one for them to take but dont pretend its altruistic and for safety. It’s a business decision own it.