I don't really want to have to go to bat against Anthropic, but they've just been unnecessarily antagonistic to all of China, then not so subtly to open weight models, and now more broadly open AI research. What's next on the list?
Many users criticized Anthropic's antagonism toward open AI research as self-serving and dystopian after its recent funding and performance plateau, while some praised its leadership and alignment efforts.
@natolambert @Ishaank1999 This is as bad as it gets! Every day of delay in finding cures costs many lives, totally on Anthropic! They are antagonistic to humanity not just China!
@natolambert Haven't they stated that ideally they'd like to be the only ones to create superintelligence because of the risks it poses? Their actions all seem consistent with that goal.
I don't really want to have to go to bat against Anthropic, but they've just been unnecessarily antagonistic to all of China, then not so subtly to open weight models, and now more broadly open AI research. What's next on the list?
@natolambert Anthropic has never hidden their view that AI is dangerous and needs to be controlled by authorities. This is alignment for them
@natolambert so this is what they meant by permanent underclass. it's the systematic blocking of any means of catching up.
ironically, this will only force moonshot and deepseek to get even better at their game. kimi k3 is going to be a banger, and so will deepseek v4.1.
@natolambert Yeah I feel like every decision they’ve made recently has made me more unfavorable towards them. Very much anti open source and anti science IMO.
@woke8yearold @natolambert and by "authorities" they mean themselves exclusively
@natolambert codex looking nice
@woke8yearold @natolambert Blue authorities. They balked at red America control.
@BarathAnandan7 @natolambert i'm worried about fable 5.1 i think the dogs are next
@natolambert They are going after China is because Chinese models are way much cheaper while still can finish most of the tasks. Many startups have switched to Chinese models already for impl tasks (planning is still opus/chatgpt). Anthropic needs this narrative to help them ipo at $$$
@natolambert Funny how much more extreme this has gotten as soon as they 1) closed a massive funding 2) appear to have plateaued their performance and 3) see open source alternatives from even US companies accelerating. This is profit and fear driven not “safety”
@jjacky +1 is just leadership. They unironically have the best individuals
@natolambert Regarding this, OpenAI has a huge chance to jump in open model race and follow the lead of Nvidia and Chinese models
@goodhunt @natolambert Thank god my doggos are safe
@natolambert it is imho the biggest detriment to my view of anthropic
(my opinion is not representative of my employers)
@ethayarajh @natolambert What assurance do the rest of us have that they're not going to use this to benefit themselves and entrench their own position? Let's not forget the last EA-associated unicorn, FTX, whose founder stole billions of dollars from ordinary people to benefit EA
@natolambert gotta 2nd this. i love their work on character & alignment, & indeed their stance on china (as a chinese person in sg) has always been very puzzling. . . makes me wonder, hv they ever been to china? XDD lol
@natolambert look at the bright side,if task gets harder and the model starts outputting bullshit , your idea is good
@natolambert The people that you thought aligned with your values actually do not at all. OpenAI is and has been the better actor. Switch sides for now.
@natolambert Really whatever they want. Maybe next up is restrictions on model usage for cowork adjacent capabilities. They wouldn’t want a competitor to make a better tool now would they
I don't really want to have to go to bat against Anthropic, but they've just been unnecessarily antagonistic to all of China, then not so subtly to open weight models, and now more broadly open AI research. What's next on the list?