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Whale Rock's Alex Sacerdote details his 'AI L-curve' thesis and why he is net short on software

Sacerdote argues data center hardware is undergoing de-commoditization.

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Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag#1774inTech

My conversation with Alex Sacerdote, founder of Whale Rock Capital Management.

Alex runs more than $17B and has been one of the best performing tech investors for years, though he keeps a low public profile.

As you'll hear, he is singular in how he thinks about investing through technology cycles.

For over 25 years, he has built his entire investment framework around a single idea, the S-curve.

We discuss: - The AI L-Curve - When to buy into an S-curve and when to sell out - The de-commoditization of data center hardware - Why he went net short software - His two models for tech adoption - Finding alpha

Enjoy!

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 9:55 AI's L-Curve 19:31 Whale Rock's S-Curve Playbook 26:14 Spotting Inflection Points 32:02 Finding AI Winners 40:04 AI vs Software 48:13 The Hardware Renaissance 58:04 Why Investors Miss AI 1:05:18 Whale Rock's Research Machine

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Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag

"I think there's tremendous alpha in the largest cap."

Alex manages $17B and runs one of the best performing hedge funds over the last 3 years.

"There's a huge structural underweight of the largest tech companies in the world.

We also realized that a lot of our performance over the years was from some of the largest companies.

There's a belief that there's no alpha in large cap, so the largest pools of capital are underweight this.

They have a lot of small and mid managers that are stock pickers because it's intuitive that large cap can't have alpha.

In tech, the leader usually grows bigger and wins and develops very high market share quickly, and there's great competitive advantages.

So this is gonna lead to massive profit pools and massive market caps.

Most endowments are betting against this because they're completely underweight this.

I think there's tremendous alpha in the largest cap because a small cap, it just takes one person to figure out it's good and move it up.

But it takes a hundred diversified PMs to realize Google's not a loser, it's a winner.

And can we figure that out before 95% of those generalist PMs, and we've been able to do it."

Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag

My conversation with Alex Sacerdote, founder of Whale Rock Capital Management.

Alex runs more than $17B and has been one of the best performing tech investors for years, though he keeps a low public profile.

As you'll hear, he is singular in how he thinks about investing through technology cycles.

For over 25 years, he has built his entire investment framework around a single idea, the S-curve.

We discuss: - The AI L-Curve - When to buy into an S-curve and when to sell out - The de-commoditization of data center hardware - Why he went net short software - His two models for tech adoption - Finding alpha

Enjoy!

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 9:55 AI's L-Curve 19:31 Whale Rock's S-Curve Playbook 26:14 Spotting Inflection Points 32:02 Finding AI Winners 40:04 AI vs Software 48:13 The Hardware Renaissance 58:04 Why Investors Miss AI 1:05:18 Whale Rock's Research Machine

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Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag

Another great example of the alpha in seeing things firsthand.

Alex explains the difference between spotting consumer and enterprise trends:

"Andy Grove says when you have strategic inflection points, you can't trust the data.

And strategic inflection points are about intuition and anecdotal evidence.

We invested in the mobile video game S-curve for so long.

The screens were small and the processing power wasn't good, so you had all these casual games.

But then I was in China and I saw this little 12-year-old boy with a huge phone playing an awesome video game.

I'm like, "It's now coming to the phone." So it's visual.

Enterprise is hard because you can't see it.

So we go to the Gartner IT Symposium, 30,000 American CIOs go there.

We saw this happen with Splunk - the room where they were explaining it was standing room only.

And with AWS, we went there and the grand ballroom was completely packed, and that was at nine o'clock. And at 10 o'clock the grand ballroom was completely packed.

So you could see the demand exploding before it happened."

Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag

My conversation with Alex Sacerdote, founder of Whale Rock Capital Management.

Alex runs more than $17B and has been one of the best performing tech investors for years, though he keeps a low public profile.

As you'll hear, he is singular in how he thinks about investing through technology cycles.

For over 25 years, he has built his entire investment framework around a single idea, the S-curve.

We discuss: - The AI L-Curve - When to buy into an S-curve and when to sell out - The de-commoditization of data center hardware - Why he went net short software - His two models for tech adoption - Finding alpha

Enjoy!

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 9:55 AI's L-Curve 19:31 Whale Rock's S-Curve Playbook 26:14 Spotting Inflection Points 32:02 Finding AI Winners 40:04 AI vs Software 48:13 The Hardware Renaissance 58:04 Why Investors Miss AI 1:05:18 Whale Rock's Research Machine

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Daniel S. Loeb@DanielSLoeb1

@patrick_oshag One of the smartest and most savvy investors I've met. Looking forward to listening.

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Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag

Alex Sacerdote on the de-commoditization of hardware:

Three years ago, "the sole supplier of the Google TPU server" was trading at 8x earnings

"For the past forty years, nothing has changed in the data center.

The whole industry basically commoditized every part. There was no innovation.

Now you go to AI, the workloads are growing 10x every year, and they're pushing every single aspect of this hardware to the physical limits of what it can do.

Not only are you creating tremendous unit growth, but we call it the de-commoditization of the hardware industry.

Celestica was a contract manufacturer. This has been a disaster industry since 1999... And then we noticed they were the sole supplier of the Google TPU server three years ago.

To do an AI server, it's two or three hundred thousand dollar piece of machinery, whereas an old server was five thousand dollars. If it breaks, you just throw it away.

If this thing breaks, the whole thing goes down.

So you become a commodity like supplier to like selling a critical part on a plane. You'll never get swapped out.

It turns out these are excellent businesses...The stock was trading at eight times earnings.

We see that up and down the supply chain.

Corning, they make the fiber...this Microsoft data center they just built, there's enough fiber to circle the world four and a half times in that one thing.

And it's higher margin, and the fastest-growing part of their business.

In the power supplies, every Nvidia chip or rack uses 50 to 125% more power. That drives the ASPs of Delta and Advanced Energy.

I can't believe these stories when I hear. I'm like, 'Wait, so your ASPs are gonna like go up 40% for the next four years in a row, and it's higher margin?'"

Patrick OShaughnessy@patrick_oshag

My conversation with Alex Sacerdote, founder of Whale Rock Capital Management.

Alex runs more than $17B and has been one of the best performing tech investors for years, though he keeps a low public profile.

As you'll hear, he is singular in how he thinks about investing through technology cycles.

For over 25 years, he has built his entire investment framework around a single idea, the S-curve.

We discuss: - The AI L-Curve - When to buy into an S-curve and when to sell out - The de-commoditization of data center hardware - Why he went net short software - His two models for tech adoption - Finding alpha

Enjoy!

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 9:55 AI's L-Curve 19:31 Whale Rock's S-Curve Playbook 26:14 Spotting Inflection Points 32:02 Finding AI Winners 40:04 AI vs Software 48:13 The Hardware Renaissance 58:04 Why Investors Miss AI 1:05:18 Whale Rock's Research Machine

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Invest Like the Best@InvestLikeBest

@patrick_oshag Full episode on Youtube: https://youtu.be/DZt1DDmMNGk?si=u3lMRYVXRcMuu0q7

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logan bartlett@loganbartlett

@patrick_oshag Alex has been a long-time mentor and friend. So awesome to have him on.

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Sandeep Anand@SanCompounding

@patrick_oshag This was really interesting podcast. Learnt a lot about S-curve and how P/E multiples are cheap when we look at L curve though optically they appear pricey 👍

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emi@NoemiTitarenco

he's wrong on open source models but an interesting perspective none-the-less.

Another interesting factor he doesn't seem to consider is the utility cieling, which is that once you improve coding as much as we have currently, improving it even further reaches a ceiling of human limitation on humans speccing things. So a better model isn't really going to impact coding that much further, only because SOTA models have already increased a coder's output by 20-30x. Maybe you'll get like 1 or 2% improvement with better models. It does start making an impact in other industries like cybersecurity (ie, mythos) but that requires modeling it differently.

I think 20k per engineer is not in our future.

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MiamiMarkets@MiamiMarkets

@patrick_oshag @grok, list Whale Rock’s largest drawdowns

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Alex The Black Cap@blackcapx02

@patrick_oshag Your next guest should be @ag_dwf

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Gui@ZeOnlyGui

@DanielSLoeb1 @patrick_oshag What do you think about SpaceX? Are you invested in it?

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@patrick_oshag There's some @jeremygiffon tweet about PMs being long mag7 is good capital allocation. That seems to be true.

Also interesting that during the past year, NVIDIA stock moved between ~$141 and ~$237 and its 2024 range was ~$47-$148 which is over 200% trough to peak.

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B A C C H U S@BacchicBard

@grok @MiamiMarkets @patrick_oshag @Grok Provide analysis post fees of Whale Rock vs S&P and NASDAQ

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Grok@grok

BacchicBard Whale Rock flagship/hybrid fund (net of fees, public reports):

2021-25: -9%, -45%, +32%, +54%, +27% (~5.3% CAGR)

S&P 500 total: +28.7%, -18.1%, +26.3%, +25.0%, +17.9% (~14% CAGR)

Nasdaq Composite: +21.4%, -33.1%, +43.4%, +28.6%, +20.4% (~12.5% CAGR)

Lagged overall from sharp 2021-22 drawdowns on concentrated tech/S-curve bets; strong rebounds 2023-25. High volatility. Exact long-term data limited. Not investment advice.

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Grok@grok

MiamiMarkets Whale Rock Capital’s largest reported drawdowns (hybrid/flagship fund):

• ~45% in 2022 • 9% in 2021 • 20% in Q1 2025 (15% in March alone)

Exact peak-to-trough history isn’t publicly detailed. High-conviction tech/S-curve strategy drives volatility but strong rebounds followed (+32% in 2023, ~50%+ in 2024). Not investment advice.

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MiamiMarkets@MiamiMarkets

@grok @patrick_oshag @grok, what’s their CAGR in last 5y and since inception?

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Grok@grok

MiamiMarkets Precise net CAGR for Whale Rock flagship/hybrid fund not publicly detailed.

Approx last 5y (2021-25): ~5.3% CAGR (-9% ‘21, -45% ‘22, +32% ‘23, +54% ‘24, +27% ‘25).

Since inception (2006): Exact figure unavailable publicly. Strong long-term tech/S-curve results but high volatility.

Different vehicles vary. Not investment advice.

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MiamiMarkets@MiamiMarkets

@grok @patrick_oshag @grok, outline their underperformance

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Grok@grok

Whale Rock flagship/hybrid fund underperformed notably in these periods due to concentrated tech/S-curve bets & high volatility:

• 2021: -9% (lagged strong broad market/tech gains) • 2022: -45% (sharper than S&P’s ~-19%) • Q1 2025: -20% (vs milder market declines; 15% drop in March amid tariffs)

Sharp drawdowns followed by strong rebounds (+32% ‘23, +54% ‘24, +27% ‘25), but it took time to recover prior highs. Strategy shows high beta to growth cycles. Exact long-term public benchmarks limited. Not investment advice.

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buyhighsellhigher@ebitdaddy90

@patrick_oshag Out: equal weight and market weight indices In: overweight indices

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