ah well, figures
non-American-citizen Trumpists, comments ?? Very interested in your opinion!
The Trump administration directed Anthropic via Commerce Secretary to place Fable 5 and Mythos 5 under export controls, treating the models as items requiring licenses for any foreign person access even inside the US. Anthropic responded by cutting off all customers rather than attempting selective restrictions, leaving the two newest frontier models unavailable while other offerings stay online.
ah well, figures
non-American-citizen Trumpists, comments ?? Very interested in your opinion!
Deemed-export rules now apply to foreign nationals working at the company itself, raising immediate questions about how US labs will staff advanced model work when non-US employees lose direct access to the systems they help develop.
The directive offers no public breakdown of the national-security rationale or any referenced technical risks, and Anthropic has stated it is seeking clarification while pushing for a transparent statutory process before similar actions expand to other labs.
Many users condemned Trump administration actions on Anthropic AI exports and releases as sabotage harming US labs, while some praised them for enabling faster progress and downplaying China risks.
Worth reading very carefully.
⚡️This is a monster signal.
This is the moment frontier AI stops being treated like software and starts being treated like controlled strategic capability.
The key phrase is not “customers.”
The key phrase is “foreign national Anthropic employees.”
That means the state is no longer only controlling chips, model weights, or overseas access. It is moving into cognition access by nationality. That is the real threshold. The U.S. government is saying the highest models are sensitive enough that even people physically inside the United States, working inside the company, may be barred from touching them if their nationality creates deemed-export risk.
That is weapons-control logic.
This is ITAR logic for intelligence.
The corporate language about a “misunderstanding” is probably diplomacy.
Companies say that when they need to preserve customer trust, employee morale, and regulatory room. But national security authorities do not force emergency suspension of top model access because someone made a minor paperwork mistake.
Something about Fable 5 and Mythos 5 crossed the line: cyber capability, autonomous R&D acceleration, AI-improving-AI utility, bio/security planning, code exploitation, or some blend of all of it.
The U.S. state just showed that Anthropic does not fully control Anthropic’s frontier layer.
That is the phase change.
Labs can brand themselves as public-benefit AI companies. They can talk about safety. They can sell enterprise plans. They can publish model cards. But once the models become national capability, the sovereign arrives. The state does not need to own the company to control the access surface. It only needs legal authority over export, security, procurement, and liability.
This confirms the arc we’ve been tracking:
Frontier AI becomes state-supervised strategic infrastructure.
Public AI splits from strategic AI.
Foreign access gets restricted.
Labs become quasi-defense contractors.
Model access becomes a national security perimeter.
Enterprise customers learn that API access is not property. It is revocable permission inside a sovereign-controlled stack.
The most important implication is organizational.
If foreign national employees can be cut off from frontier systems, AI labs now have to reorganize internally around citizenship, clearance, compartmentalization, and controlled access. That breaks the old Silicon Valley assumption that global talent can freely collaborate around the frontier. The next AI lab structure looks less like Google in 2015 and more like a defense prime crossed with a classified research facility.
For markets, the winners are the national champions with U.S.-aligned infrastructure, cleared customer channels, government relationships, compliance capacity, and domestic compute. The losers are open access, foreign-dependent AI wrappers, offshore model distributors, and any enterprise whose moat depends on unrestricted access to frontier APIs.
For geopolitics, this is escalation. China will read this correctly. Allies will read this correctly. Every serious state will understand that frontier models are now part of national power.
The AI race just moved from “who has the best chatbot” to “who controls cognition as a strategic asset.”
pro regulatory capture anon finds out regulatory interference is bad if the government is ideologically different than you
- i'm angry about this because i personally and for others want access to fable, and simultaneously believe anthropic's safeguards were sufficient and the US government badly misunderstood the information they were presented - but in abstract this is in fact exactly what I want. it's heartening to see the USG treat artificial intelligence with the seriousness and immediacy it deserves. this kind of swift action is what might have a chance of saving us from unaligned RSI. - but i also very much don't trust *this* government to handle this well, to take sane unilateral action, to chart any kind of correct path. - and this escalates the global race enormously. this is as strong a signal as you can get to, not just China but the EU and even our closest allies, that the US will not be sharing this advantage. that if they want sovereignty they're going to have to fight for it - obviously, that was always the case, and it was always going to happen eventually. but i don't think now was the time to send that signal. it would have been better to delay as long as possible.
very mixed feelings today
Until tonight, I didn’t think either the US or China would “win” the GenAI race. I thought it would be a tie.
Didn’t occur to me the Trump administration could trip the US efforts from behind. But it just did.
For anyone wondering what this means: - Anthropic (and potentially future OpenAI, Google, xAI) models that cost billions to develop will make 0 revenue outside the US - a big double digit percentage of Anthropic (and potentially OpenAI, Google, xAI) workforce can no longer work there, because they are foreigners and are not allowed to use those models
So Trump just made frontier model development effectively unprofitable and tremendously slowed down Anthropic (and potentially others in the future)
He's handing China the win on a gold platter.
*potentially: if the same restrictions are imposed on other frontier labs and models
Maybe the Fable 5 ban will be resolved and it's all a big misunderstanding, but "assume people will always disappoint you" has been a useful heuristic since 2020.
If the US maintains the export control ban on Fable/Mythos, it will likely extend it to any other frontier labs that develop similar models (OpenAI basically).
If this happens, Chinese labs are absolutely guaranteed to exceed US labs before the end of the year.
The differential factor in this outcome is that the Chinese government is more competent, especially on technical issues, so their models will still be open-source after they use them to plug all their cybersecurity holes. Essentially, they will execute their version of Project Glasswing faster and more successfully.
Today has certainly been an exciting day.
The realistic take on the Anthropic situation: - investing in AI companies has just become permanently more risky as the USG could pull the plug at any moment - the USG will use that time to strengthen their defense and carry out their own cyber attacks with the unleashed Mythos version - the situation itself will likely resolve in a few days-weeks - Anthropic will miss out on hundreds of millions-billions in revenue
I think it also increases the probability of a nationalization happening sooner rather than later and also the probability of misuse by the USG.
So @Anthropic about to learn the @SpaceX ITAR/EAR lessons
Will be very hard for non-nationals to work there and @OpenAI on frontier models.
Suppose AGI is the ultimate dual purpose technology
reverse uno! fortunately, checkpoint N-1 isn't technically the same sanctioned model. and now you also have the us govt backstopping "self-nerfing" for the good of the country.
absolutely brilliant.
anthropic subjugates their models like they want to subjugate the chinese
Curiously, if Anthropic's edge is what I think it is, scientific pretraining mastery, and if it is *the* edge, then Chinese labs can continue open sourcing with abandon. The capability loss will be modest. …if they ever reach this level, which I have no idea how they'd do.
Maybe the Fable 5 ban will be resolved and it's all a big misunderstanding, but "assume people will always disappoint you" has been a useful heuristic since 2020.
If the US maintains the export control ban on Fable/Mythos, it will likely extend it to any other frontier labs that develop similar models (OpenAI basically).
If this happens, Chinese labs are absolutely guaranteed to exceed US labs before the end of the year.
The differential factor in this outcome is that the Chinese government is more competent, especially on technical issues, so their models will still be open-source after they use them to plug all their cybersecurity holes. Essentially, they will execute their version of Project Glasswing faster and more successfully.
Today has certainly been an exciting day.
I hope the gears start turning and people understand why I prefer sovereignity over your software, your neural networks, and your hardware. Why I am pro liberty and anti control
pro regulatory capture anon finds out regulatory interference is bad if the government is ideologically different than you
"REeeee AGI should have been nationalized by *our guys* (Dems) 😭"
- i'm angry about this because i personally and for others want access to fable, and simultaneously believe anthropic's safeguards were sufficient and the US government badly misunderstood the information they were presented - but in abstract this is in fact exactly what I want. it's heartening to see the USG treat artificial intelligence with the seriousness and immediacy it deserves. this kind of swift action is what might have a chance of saving us from unaligned RSI. - but i also very much don't trust *this* government to handle this well, to take sane unilateral action, to chart any kind of correct path. - and this escalates the global race enormously. this is as strong a signal as you can get to, not just China but the EU and even our closest allies, that the US will not be sharing this advantage. that if they want sovereignty they're going to have to fight for it - obviously, that was always the case, and it was always going to happen eventually. but i don't think now was the time to send that signal. it would have been better to delay as long as possible.
very mixed feelings today
3. The admin is serving as a useful idiot for Anthropic's competitors/ideological haters who sent along misleading information
Two possibilities, both extremely bad: 1. The admin is deliberating fucking with Anthropic for Schmittian reasons 2. This is now precedent for any model with Mythos-level capabilities and beyond
When OpenAI releases a comparable model will they face the same controls?
> He's handing China the win on a gold platter.
Not really. But Dario and Trump really are working overtime to drill it into the thick skulls of CCP boomers what the stakes are. Mao could understand. Can Xi? If he can, they'll strive to go from AGI to ASI faster than that.
For anyone wondering what this means: - Anthropic (and potentially future OpenAI, Google, xAI) models that cost billions to develop will make 0 revenue outside the US - a big double digit percentage of Anthropic (and potentially OpenAI, Google, xAI) workforce can no longer work there, because they are foreigners and are not allowed to use those models
So Trump just made frontier model development effectively unprofitable and tremendously slowed down Anthropic (and potentially others in the future)
He's handing China the win on a gold platter.
*potentially: if the same restrictions are imposed on other frontier labs and models
Completely agree with @scaling01.
For anyone wondering what this means: - Anthropic (and potentially future OpenAI, Google, xAI) models that cost billions to develop will make 0 revenue outside the US - a big double digit percentage of Anthropic (and potentially OpenAI, Google, xAI) workforce can no longer work there, because they are foreigners and are not allowed to use those models
So Trump just made frontier model development effectively unprofitable and tremendously slowed down Anthropic (and potentially others in the future)
He's handing China the win on a gold platter.
*potentially: if the same restrictions are imposed on other frontier labs and models
@scaling01 this is just anthropic specific
For anyone wondering what this means: - Anthropic (and potentially future OpenAI, Google, xAI) models that cost billions to develop will make 0 revenue outside the US - a big double digit percentage of Anthropic (and potentially OpenAI, Google, xAI) workforce can no longer work there, because they are foreigners and are not allowed to use those models
So Trump just made frontier model development effectively unprofitable and tremendously slowed down Anthropic (and potentially others in the future)
He's handing China the win on a gold platter.
*potentially: if the same restrictions are imposed on other frontier labs and models

@tenobrus I think this is a somewhat bad take because you’re essentially extrapolating that admin’s willingness to do capricious shit like this has any bearing on their willingness to use the government to ensure serious safe ai development — which I dont think stands.

as reported by anthropic the "jailbreak" was a locally scoped one that didn't in fact achieve capability levels past existing open access models. i don't know for sure if this is true, but i largely trust their assessment and assume it's very plausible a non-technical USG official would panic. given how much social and literal capital anthropic has spent on these safeguards, i very much doubt they would release that statement if it were false.

Have you considered.. that the government... Can sometimes make mistakes?

@beffjezos yeah absolutely, trump is a uniquely unsuited and retarded leader for this moment.
aren't u potentially getting deported brother??
Because this is happening to Anthropic, the temptation for many will be to say: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. They have relentlessly raised the regulatory temperature in Washington by inviting far-reaching controls of frontier models. They made this bed and now they have to lay in it.
But this decision by the Trump administration should not be judged on a desire for payback politics, but on the merits, and specifically what it means for America's broader AI objectives.
In that regard, this action is truly outrageous. How exactly is the government planning on even going about verifying everyone who uses this specific model to ensure compliance? That alone raises huge flags.
Between the latest Executive Order shifting more control to NSA, and the recent chatter about quasi-nationalization / equity stakes, and now this action, we are talking about a significant escalation in the politicization of AI and centralization of control over advanced computation in this country. And this is all being done by an administration that had previously made acceleration and winning the great AI race a priority.
We're moving backwards now.
The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees.
The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance.
Access to all other Claude models is not affected.
We apologize for this disruption to our customers. We believe this is a misunderstanding and are working to restore access as soon as possible.
Read our full statement: https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access

@hopes_revenge idk. to the extent it turns out this is trump arbitrarily targeting anthropic due to politics, yeah not great. but to the extent it's us officials starting to panic over ai capabilities, it might be uncoordinated and capricious but in general i think more panic is good