Databricks' Yuchen Jin argues open-source AI creators may abandon open licensing after surpassing the Mythos model

@Yuchenj_UW They are going to ban open source using the national security card.

@Yuchenj_UW No, the worst case is the US government also bans open source.

@schwepervezence @Yuchenj_UW Of course, it can. The weights are open, running the model is not free. Everyone is dependent on hardware, and the consumer is classed out entirely. If there are mythos-capable open models, they will be controlled just like a close-source mythos.

@SilverYogensha @Yuchenj_UW No such thing as banned when it comes to open-source

@Yuchenj_UW Good luck getting any meaningful market share outside of china for closed-source LLMs. Alibaba tried with Qwen and I don’t know a single person/corp in the western hemisphere using it, even though

@Yuchenj_UW I don't think China will start going closed source this early. They would want to top up models better than American labs and prove a point before going closed source.

@Yuchenj_UW im facing this dilemma myself since my company does ultimately need to protect its business logic

@Yuchenj_UW worst-er case: OCC *could* surpass Mythos, but never gets the chance.

instead closed labs and USG hit AGI and go full scifi dystopia. and even worst-er-er: ASI with the power and will to end that dystopia never materializes.

gotta think bigger. it can always be worse.

@Yuchenj_UW "Decides"

@Yuchenj_UW How could OSS decide to stop being open-source? Ie Chinese labs go closed-source?

@Yuchenj_UW this take is so real, oss winning doesnt even guarantee oss stays oss

@Yuchenj_UW Worst case of the best case: OSS surpasses Mythos… then discovers recurring revenue and starts charging $200/month for access.

Best case of the worst case: OSS goes closed source… but releases a better model than mythos with super cheap api pricing

@Yuchenj_UW even worst. OSS surpasses Mythos and stop serving

@Yuchenj_UW lowkey worst case already happened with like three other projects so not exactly hypothetical at this point

@Yuchenj_UW right now, OSS would almost certainly stop being open source! you can make a ton of profit by having a Mythos-level model. in two years, probably gonna be open source

@Yuchenj_UW best case: the good guys learn how to iterate & make the open models better independently of the closed labs

@Yuchenj_UW You think just because it’s open source it can’t get banned?

@Yuchenj_UW @DavidOndrej1 Don’t want to be a party pooper but worst case seems more likely imo

@Yuchenj_UW When china stops with OSS, it's game over for OSS

@Yuchenj_UW No worse case is, KYC rules roll out, limited to US enterprise only, huggingface is banned. No AI unless you submit a form for intent of why you must use the model. It keeps plebs poor