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@minilek @profgoose There's quite a bit in the report about widening the scope of grantees to individual researchers at "non-academic" institutions -- this means grants will not only go to faculty but can also go to folks at research non-profits or even companies. Also minimizing indirect fees etc.
I can’t actually figure out what it means for funding to go to individual scientists and not institutions. What does it mean? Yes grants are now technically contracts with institutions, but they’re applied for and managed by PIs who can move the grant with them if they switch institutions. So, what will change in practice?
@minilek @profgoose @IFP Previously, NSF and NIH were very overwhelmingly funding folks at traditional academic orgs so this will likely be a big shift in practice. At the moment it seems like a bit of a strange move for government to make - industry R&D labs, for eg., technically don't need public money
@minilek @profgoose Yeah, exactly - I work a bit with FAS and am familiar with this proposal; the WH report also has a lot in there about "industry R&D" recommendations from @IFP. My suspicion is that funding will be directed towards these types of orgs & that they will be more instutiton-agnostic.
@minilek @profgoose Yeah, exactly - I work a bit with FAS and am familiar with this proposal; the WH report also has a lot in there about "industry R&D" recommendations from @IFP. My suspicion is that funding will be directed towards these types of orgs & that they will be more instutiton-agnostic.
Independent nonprofits, which aren't institutes of higher ed, have already been eligible to apply for grants...so now is the difference just that they'll prioritize funding them more? I guess this is what the NSF X-Lab push was all about (I think based on the model at https://fas.org/publication/focused-research-organizations-a-new-model-for-scientific-research/). Fusing frontier research production with education has had good synergy for pipeline production, so I wonder what they're envisioning to make sure that pipeline is preserved under a new model.
@minilek @profgoose @IFP + I'm not as convinced by the FAS/IFP arguments that some of these "moonshot" research orgs are as effective as they seem - we've seen great successes, ofc, but I also remember things like Google X, which had a mixed bag of impact and a clear reluctance for super long-term bets.
@minilek @profgoose @IFP Previously, NSF and NIH were very overwhelmingly funding folks at traditional academic orgs so this will likely be a big shift in practice. At the moment it seems like a bit of a strange move for government to make - industry R&D labs, for eg., technically don't need public money
Independent nonprofits, which aren't institutes of higher ed, have already been eligible to apply for grants...so now is the difference just that they'll prioritize funding them more? I guess this is what the NSF X-Lab push was all about (I think based on the model at https://fas.org/publication/focused-research-organizations-a-new-model-for-scientific-research/). Fusing frontier research production with education has had good synergy for pipeline production, so I wonder what they're envisioning to make sure that pipeline is preserved under a new model.