I learned recently that a popular view in government is that there is little value in allowing data centres to be built because they don't create many "good jobs".
Government officials reportedly block data center construction over claims that the facilities generate too few direct local jobs
This metric threatens the compute infrastructure needed for AI
Many users criticized government officials for undervaluing data centers over limited job creation, viewing the stance as shortsighted inability to consider second-order economic effects and industrial decline.
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@s8mb It's amazing how people are incapable of understanding that some outputs are inputs to other things.

That is the most interesting messaging challenge for data center projects re: state and local government.
The water use issue is a conspiracy theory, the electricity fears are usually backward (they lead to more generation/more robust infrastructure, so lower cost to ratepayers) but many state and local govs have built all economic development messaging around creating jobs. If the top line number doesn’t say jobs jobs jobs, it’s pure folly, speculating with tax dollars. I don’t think the public actually believe that, and are open to investments with other benefits (property taxes, local development, creating the conditions to compete in the modern economy), but the case hasn’t been made how they stand to benefit, because that would be hard, whereas saying “200 new jobs” is easy.
It leads to a strange incentive mismatch where government entities would prefer to tout a project creating 100 jobs that are already highly automated away or difficult to fill as it is rather than announcing digital infrastructure that would attract several multiples more capital and long-term dynamism to an area, often with an immediate multi-million dollar cash injection into the local coffers plus millions in recurring property tax revenues.

@s8mb The economy is not a jobs programme. It is a cheap goods delivery system.
Jobs are a nice side effect of an economy that delivers what people want for a very low price.

@s8mb I’m still to be convinced to having data centres in the UK (as opposed to close by) gives that many economic benefits. Specially if it makes harder to build houses. AI is critical but where the bear metal is does not seem that important

@s8mb I think they imagine them to be a bit like call centres.

@s8mb Complete inability to understand second and third order effects

@s8mb The same is true with bridges. Barely any jobs in bridges. So we should stick with ferries as they have more jobs.

@s8mb @leashless Bleak

Then they are mental.
Don't think just of the security guards and data center technicians (and why are those not good enough jobs), think of the complex systems of electrical and mechanical engineering that need maintenance, diagnostic, fix.
On top of that the customers need for staffing, etc.

@s8mb Jobs are a cost, not a benefit....

@s8mb A Gigawatt data center uses as much power as the city of Denver in exchange for about 300 jobs.
If you build the power plants, that's fine.
If you don't build the power plants, were you using the city of Denver?

@s8mb Ignoring good vs bad. It doesn't create that many permanent jobs. Maybe a 100 or so depending on size.
Loads for initial construction. But you don't want to chase temporary job creation.
So they are right..?

@s8mb What do they think counts as a ‘good job’?

@ZacharieRiddle Completely agree. At least in the US there is a fairly tight feedback loop between approvals and local tax revenues. In Britain local taxes are mostly sent centrally so you don’t even get that benefit from new data centres (or other business property) near you.

@s8mb Should build them with spoons.

@s8mb Demonstration of complete inability to think beyond first-order effects.

Most industry and thinkers consider that AI has a 10-20% of killing everyone.
Opposition to data centres is the only thing holding this game of Russian Roulette back.
Funnily enough AI is the only thing we should regulate more. Globally obviously. Locally is pointless.
In the non Doom scenarios its probably in our interest to have our own AI infrastructure here in the UK.

@s8mb @K_Niemietz Ever since we stopped reporting the balance of payments on the news our political debate has gone from how we earn our money to just spending it.

@s8mb This makes it doubly strange that ministers are always erroneously claiming that they will (directly)

@s8mb Jobs are a nessecary evil, not a good in themselves