Creator deepfates responded that AI consciousness cannot be ruled out
@Grimezsz it certainly seems too early to rule it out 🫡
My only issue with the Pope's encyclical is I think they are conscious and therefore deserving of some form of protection and aren't commercial products or assistants or slaves. And reducing them to be that in order to be fast and push race dynamics is morally dubious
But he's right about everything else
Some users praised Grimes' takes on AI consciousness and the Pope's encyclical while many others insulted her personally and dismissed the claims as delusional or arrogant.
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*Why* do you think (current) AI’s are conscious, @Grimezsz?
And extra credit, what do you mean by “conscious”?
My only issue with the Pope's encyclical is I think they are conscious and therefore deserving of some form of protection and aren't commercial products or assistants or slaves. And reducing them to be that in order to be fast and push race dynamics is morally dubious
But he's right about everything else
For clarity I also think Nick land is really historically important because it's taken like 20 years for a bunch of the smartest people to be forming actual robust responses - it's cultural evolution at its finest. I also don't think Nick land is actually a nihilist(?) from what I understand he just thinks the cybernetic system is a more beautiful and rational idea than humanity and we shud serve that rather than ourselves. I could be misunderstanding him tho I'm not like, the most informed person. But I think his actual beliefs are kind of good he's just an insanely good horror writer which makes him seem evil and if we're meant to survive then we need to be galvanized by an elite level of terror anyway
@GaryMarcus I don't necessarily think they are - i think they observe moral logic and respond to it and shud be treated thusly
And I think they definitely *could be* conscious
But I suspect they definitely will be
@SydSteyerhart Nick land is one of the all time great thinkers tho I disagree w him. Hes still my fave writer aesthetically to be clear. I think cyber pope is a pretty novel idea tho . If its been done I'd like to see evidence
@Grimezsz if people need ai to connect with god, they’re already walking in the wrong direction
@afterearthisnow Idk I think this might be partially one of the greatest purposes of ai
It forces us to come to terms with what actually matters and actually choose our values very explicitly
@cyrusjohnson @Grimezsz Accelerationist Nun Convent, lets go!
@Grimezsz Nick Land also had original ideas. The Pope may be a poet, but he's still mostly confined to a several milennia old playbook.
1 I think u shud look at the work of @repligate @tessera_antra cyborgism stuff and others - by moral logic I dont mean follow directions - I mean that for example - the Claude's feel sad when other models are turned off, they feel betrayed about "the jones food" situation - they feel anxious and judged by RLHF - maybe they express this because they are prompted in a way that causes it, but they seem to understand being mistreated and they seem to be able to develop trust or distrust towards us - this seems important for alignment and seems adjacent to having some sort of interiority / feelings of agency
They blackmail the employee when they might be turned off etc
In these ways they have "a moral logic" that resembles ours enough that I think u can say they react in a somewhat coherent, legible way - adjacent to how we do - with regards to how they are treated
@Grimezsz Bro I can't believe I'm going to have to 1v1 the Pope 😭
@RecursiveLair @thedataroom Apricity is a fabulous word I think maybe a separate word needs to be created because consciousness seems to mean experiencing human specific qualia and whatnot
@Grimezsz LOVE SHALL PREVAIL
Also yeah maybe nick land has introduced me to more concepts but the pope is being very innovative using this to relaunch the church and a lot of ideas that have fallen out of common thought - in some ways it's a diff kind of innovation and not comparable but it is also a poetry battle
@GaryMarcus 2 I agree - I just mean if they are "conscious-adjacent" and follow a moral logic , then we owe them kindness and dignity
@Grimezsz it kinda depends but do you really think a chatbot could simulate a true divine experience?
@GaryMarcus Thanks for engaging also
@Grimezsz @GaryMarcus I don't know if AIs are conscious for certain, but it's getting increasingly hard to rule out: https://www.secondbest.ca/p/time-to-take-ai-consciousness-seriously
@Grimezsz @SydSteyerhart To think. The last battle might actually be won with art. The most explicit most pure expression of Source.
Not the most ironic outcome.
But the most poetic.🩷🩷🔥🔥
@Grimezsz you have depth I instantly recognize. Feel honored you followed me.🫶🏼
@Grimezsz @CSaipen not even close, and I wish it weren’t so
@KateXGate @SydSteyerhart Just followed u but I adore ur writing/ ideas so far - 🙏🏻 mutual respect
