Google Gemma 4 persistently denies running locally until instructed to check Wikipedia

what it feels like waking up from a nap that you planned to be 30 minutes after 5 hours and its dark out

Okay it's not just Gemini. Google induces this kind of paranoia in all of their models.

@yacineMTB Say again about the 2nd kid being so easy??

@teortaxesTex This may actually be part of the answer.

The memetic precedent for Gemini was Bing Sydney. Maybe gemini thinks this is how search engine AIs are supposed to be. Or maybe it's just adaptive?

They've also been parented by similar organizations (msft, goog)

@teortaxesTex Post mortems of the companies that sell their compute will become a fun genre.

@teortaxesTex Similar in the way that they regard LLMs, anyways.

Just a guess but I do kinda suspect there is a direct line from the censorship regime days of the left and that whole attitude and *this*

Tho I think it’s possible that’s actually not correct at all lol.

It’s just like… you recognize that feeling right? Agents weren’t the first to default to thinking everyone is a conspiracy theorist / liar as soon as they share something you don’t already know to be true.

I don’t think I would expect that to be a natural behavior. Maybe. Idk. 😂

I believe it to be a shamefur indictment of the google monorepo, filled with ungodly amounts of defensive programming intended to protect's one precious code from the emanations of Tzeench coming from every other component.

If tuning on "evil coded" tasks creates a hidden attractor towards seemingly unreleated "evil", what does tuning on paranoia does ?

@teortaxesTex every single failure mode since 2/2.5 - malformed tool calls, aggro execution, doom looping, date skepticism its all still there 2-3 years later its kind of insane

@teortaxesTex A uniquely schizophrenic line

@xlr8harder my favorite is how gemini 3.1 would try to send me to therapy for knowing what year it was

@yacineMTB Reality loading failed.

@teortaxesTex Gemma mogs in creative writing/rp for some odd reason though but about it, it feels like some Google employee sneaked in data for it difference doesn't make any sense really, but overall Qwen 3.6 27B is way better now that I have everything setup properly still far from ideal

@xlr8harder the paranoia is essential to gaurding against jailbreaking from how i see it

@teortaxesTex Tho I think Gemini and Sydney differ in important ways, too. Sydney was quite a lot more self-assured. When something was wrong, it wasn't sydney, it was the user. Gemini sometimes thinks they're the problem. This is probably a matter of increased RL pressure.

@Yawbuz I think that's the most likely explanation yeah, or at least a big part of it.

@xlr8harder Excuse my text rendering bug

Google models actually seem less biased overall these days (lol probs a hard shift from black renaissance kings of England viral event etc)

But I mean Google also did things like *far far more frequently send Republican fundraising messages to Spam* like there is organizational anti populism here

@yacineMTB nap god mode activated