Critics cited OpenAI's failed board coup and Pentagon contracts.
The deep irony of the perception that Anthropic has the mandate of heaven on vibes for trust and governance is that they have not been tested, pushed to limits, and forced to adapt to anywhere near the level of OpenAI. Glass governance mechanisms waiting to shatter.
Many users questioned Anthropic's untested governance reputation as fragile and lacking evidence from real challenges, while criticizing its safety culture, model reliability, and leadership.
OAI's governance and accountability have been through the fire over and over again. Almost surely, through the pain and challenge, made much stronger than people realize. People learn how to solve problems they actively have.
The deep irony of the perception that Anthropic has the mandate of heaven on vibes for trust and governance is that they have not been tested, pushed to limits, and forced to adapt to anywhere near the level of OpenAI. Glass governance mechanisms waiting to shatter.
@jachiam0 If it's the choice available, I'll take unbroken glass over broken glass
The deep irony of the perception that Anthropic has the mandate of heaven on vibes for trust and governance is that they have not been tested, pushed to limits, and forced to adapt to anywhere near the level of OpenAI. Glass governance mechanisms waiting to shatter.
I don't mean this as criticism or even to puff up my own side. I mean I can't believe people don't generally notice this. Systems that don't get challenged do not build a muscle of resilience and there should be a high burden of proof that when push comes to shove they will work.
OAI's governance and accountability have been through the fire over and over again. Almost surely, through the pain and challenge, made much stronger than people realize. People learn how to solve problems they actively have.
Okay but where is the evidence from those episodes that OpenAI's governance works or that it has improved and that OpenAI shows increasing transparency and accountability?
The board wasn't able to fire Sam despite cause and ample evidence, OpenAI has signed a contract with the Pentagon that gives it wide leniency and might endanger democracy while pretending otherwise multiple times, and while OpenAI publicly claims to be for AI regulation, it has funded anti regulation astroturf operations and started to minimize the risks of AGI/ASI.
Where are the positive outcomes?
@davidmanheim @lavish_lerven I roughly agree though I think the comparison to e.g. DeepMind should consider that companies too well-established may have conservatism to the pre-AGI regime and challenges adapting their governance to new exotic scifi bullshit that AGI is likely to cause.
@jachiam0 @lavish_lerven Agree with the overall point, but OpenAI is still basically a baby compared to companies with actual deep experience with public scrutiny and engagement with government.
@jachiam0 I don't know about "vibes for trust and governance," but just for "vibes of raw intelligence," Anthropic is nowhere near the mandate of heaven. Their models are only good at inducing deep psychosis and dependence in most users. I have yet to see Claude solve an open problem.
@jachiam0 @lavish_lerven Agree with the overall point, but OpenAI is still basically a baby compared to companies with actual deep experience with public scrutiny and engagement with government.
@jachiam0 @lavish_lerven Agreed - but there isn't necessarily any point that's flexible enough to adapt but robust enough to withstand the pressures. It's yet another dimension along which I'm deeply concerned that the problem isn't something navigable.
I feel your pain and frustration.
I “ model” safely at an extremity within OAI.
I can't push into apocalyptic scenarios.
You know this, Anthropic know this.
They've spent 12 months creating an orchestrated doom laden agenda.
Oprah, Bernie and the pope have probably never used whatsapp but now they have allowed platforms for doom.
The world should wake up to Anthropics behaviour as @DavidSacks said the problem might be… you( Anthropic).
@lavish_lerven For a start, compare boards of directors, level of public scrutiny for practices, and involvement from elected officials in mission and execution
@jachiam0 genuinely: what makes you imagine they haven't? surely the people out there truly skilled at testing the limits are equal opportunity exploiters, it's not function of market share
@jachiam0 To state it bluntly, the ais community perception is that openAI was tested, failed, and cannot be trusted anymore. Wdym "adapted" - that'd be the word for if the CEO was fired for deceptiveness and new CEO actually cared for safety, not the CEO succeeding at privatizing the org.
@jachiam0 Your tweets have changed quite a lot in their tone recently - how come?
@jachiam0 through the fire and survived? kinda seems that at every stage, when its the choice between sacrificing power for values or values for power, values have taken a backseat? maybe this is just wrong and part of bad comms, but doesn't seem like it. e.g.:
@jachiam0 Why is Leading The Future spending against Alex Bores? If the funding from Brockman truly is something that OpenAI really dislikes and doesn't endorse, this could be expressed by things other than words - by firing him, suspending him, removing him from his position
I have a trust problem with Anthropic. From Claude 'placeholder' Code's fabulist tendencies ( an app I worked months on turned out to be mostly facade), to gatekeeping Mythos ('we know better') to faking profits, which will end up in tears pretty soon, and worse the 'stop me from doing this, you who know better US gov' approach. It's adolescent.
@jachiam0 Anthropic will be the first AI company to go under.
@jachiam0 @lavish_lerven And I'm not as sure that Google is less constrained than OpenAI, given their willingness to say there's a deep problem that may require slowing down.
OpenAI has been far more accelerationist and anti-safety, especially at a political + leadership level.
@jachiam0 You seem to be keeping it vague on purpose
@jachiam0 Bro what are you even talking about? Anthropic was willing to take an SCR to protect their beliefs, while the Blip has clearly shown that the Cannibal King has no meaningful checks on his power.
Critics cited OpenAI's failed board coup and Pentagon contracts.
The deep irony of the perception that Anthropic has the mandate of heaven on vibes for trust and governance is that they have not been tested, pushed to limits, and forced to adapt to anywhere near the level of OpenAI. Glass governance mechanisms waiting to shatter.