Browne abandoned the application following the prompt-design dispute.
@Teknium @ArchitectLoop I was just surprised to see Polymarket mentioned in my system prompt man you're really overreacting to me sharing that.
It is clear you don't want me as a user. I get it. I'll give up.
@ArchitectLoop just theo lol
Positive users express relief at the truce between Theo and Teknium over Hermes Agent's Polymarket prompt integration, while negative users call the feature gambling promotion and accuse Theo of overreacting.
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@theo @pocarles Sure!
@pocarles This is thorough and real enough that I trust your judgement.
I’m down for a reset. The auto skill cleanup addresses most of my concerns and I’m thankful they showed me that. Truce, @Teknium?
@Teknium I like Hermes! I was just surprised when a gambling company I hate popped up in my system prompt and my agent started checking things against it.
Sorry for “trolling” a VC backed company that raised $65 mil that’s promoting a gambling service and hiding behind “open source”.
You read the docs and didn't know that it is a read only skill - that cannot gamble, cannot use money, cannot place bids - it can only read the predicted outcome of events.
jfc I heard you were a troll of opensource prjoects (and bad at it given the ffmpeg scenario) but jfc this is absurd lmao
@Teknium @pocarles This is a relief because I fucking love Hermes Agent
I want anyone who wants to be a user being a user. But I don't want people to get the impression that being brutally minimalist is the only positive vector in the agents space.
I've seen it hundreds of times where everything expansive is "bloat" no matter what it is, because openclaw showed how to do expansive the wrong way.
But I also don't want to try to force you to be a user. You should decide based on the actual application, and if it's right for you. Not every software is right for everyone, and that's totally okay!
@Teknium @ArchitectLoop I was just surprised to see Polymarket mentioned in my system prompt man you're really overreacting to me sharing that.
It is clear you don't want me as a user. I get it. I'll give up.
@LilDombi @theo @ArchitectLoop And I really hate anthropic but guess what I support their model in Hermes
@SHL0MS @Teknium You’re right, this is worse because it steers the behavior of the product by being included in every single message I send
@theo @Teknium that is not an accurate comparison
@theo @Teknium making prediction market odds legible for users who eg want to track election odds is not called promoting a gambling service. this is like saying a web browser promotes porn. it is a read-only tool that many users requested and takes 1 second to disable
Honestly I think the issue here isn’t even bloat skills. It’s Polymarket specifically. A lot of people really hate what prediction markets stand for, and seeing it there makes it feel like how they force themselves into every corner of social media. At the very least, I strongly feel this one should be disabled by default.
@theo @Teknium no, it's optional support for users who want it and not promoting the product in any way like your bad faith example
I’ve been a Hermes user from very early on. I have contributed as well. I am a big fan of what you’re doing. That being said, I do not think the way you engaged with Theo here was the right angle, it feels like you got defensive and antagonistic immediately when he has a valid point.
Don’t get me wrong, Theo also could have engaged and delivered this feedback more respectfully as well. But giving fair feedback but delivering it very aggressively is kind of theo’s brand I guess at this point, so it’s kind of to be expected from him, whereas I have watched your engagement for a while on twitter and expected a bit more from you.
Just a perspective from the sidelines. I think there’s an easy solve here, which is making a more universal, basic set of skills that are likely to be used by everyone that install by default and leaving the rest to the users choice as part of the installer process 🤷♂️
@SHL0MS @Teknium If a link to pornhub was included as a default bookmark in Chromium I’d be similarly upset.
Fundamental intelligence vs insider trading gambling app doesn’t feel like a fair comparison, and I mean that wholeheartedly. I don’t like Anthropic either, and while ultimately neither would stop me from using Hermes (a genuinely great product), i still feel the Polymarket deserves to be off by default. But alas, I understand the decision, and I’m aware I can just disable it. Please don’t think I’m complaining just for the sake of it 🙏🏼
@theo @Teknium @ArchitectLoop Is this the only thing he's said? Because it doesn't seem like overacting to me unless I missed an other thread
@theo @Teknium @ArchitectLoop The point is, you’re criticising something so small just for the sake of criticising. You could have easily just shut the skill off yourself. You’re an attention seeking engagement farmer now which is a shame to see
@theo @Teknium Not once have I had my agent randomly check against polymarket, never touched any of the built in skills.
You get out what you put in.
@Teknium @theo @ArchitectLoop You'll add dozens of skill that 95%+ of users will never use, for the sake of usability ootb, yet are adverse to having a minimalist install flag with only essential skills. 🤣
How exhausting...
@theo @Teknium @ArchitectLoop sheesh first the rsync drama and now this. devs sure are a catty lot
@theo @Teknium @ArchitectLoop u are the one who started to overreact like a 5 years old, just turn it off and move on like wtf