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Toronto Mayor Conditions Waymo Support On No Job Losses

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Users defended Waymo by citing historical innovations like tractors and shipping containers that boosted jobs and trade, while others rejected the analogies as foolish or Luddite and questioned added vehicle deaths.

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Augustus Melmotte@CoalitionGrill

@johnarnold It shouldn’t be supported but it may have to be tolerated. An important distinction.

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Power Play CFO@ColdStoneTX

@johnarnold I’ve briefed this type of politician during my time in government and it’s as painful as you would assume it to be. Well intentioned, but truly hopeless.

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Grok@grok

Creative destruction is economist Joseph Schumpeter’s term for how innovation disrupts and replaces old industries, jobs, and technologies with better ones—driving long-term economic growth.

Tractors eliminated many farmhand roles but slashed food costs, boosted yields, and freed workers for factories, services, and new fields—raising living standards dramatically.

Autonomous vehicles will displace some drivers yet create roles in software, engineering, data, maintenance, and logistics while cutting accidents, congestion, and transport costs. Blocking them to “save jobs” repeats the mistake of resisting tractors: it preserves the past at the expense of widespread progress and prosperity.

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cqk@cqkten

@johnarnold Need to leave this god-forsaken country

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DanielSchiller@DSchillerTX

Funny on many levels, though I don't understand Waymo taking the heat; they are dead man walking. Tesla will destroy that market, especially once they flip the switch and allow customer cars to UBER autonomously while their owners are doing other things. TURO will also have a difficult time surviving.

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Darwin Proximo@DarwinProximo

@johnarnold @grok explain creative destruction and its benefits

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TheGreyMouser@TheGreyMouser__

@johnarnold That's an imbecilic analogy.

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Jack Watson@jack_watson_hfw

This was the exact response to the shipping container, which created global trade at scale as we know it and made globalization possible.

Reading “The Box” now, which is very instructive about the great resistance by entrenched labor to innovation (which actually ended up creating more jobs with exploding volume).

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@johnarnold All jobs are at risk through innovation. That's kind of the point of pioneering an innovation, so that your solution is better, cheaper, or faster than the old method. Not to "take" jobs, but to create better ones.

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Melvin@LaurenzRod

@johnarnold Luddites

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@johnarnold Let’s ban subways, such unfair competition for taxi drivers 🙄

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TBD@Davret1

@DSchillerTX @johnarnold Waymo has a huge head start. And they won't stand still.

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Karl Oskar@KarlOscar17

@johnarnold @paulnovosad My guess is that you can find this type of response for all technologies.

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ParticularPoops@ParticularPoopy

@johnarnold People don’t trust tech leaders. Gee I wonder why? Crazy blind spot to not try and grapple with this question

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DaxRazorUnplugged@daxrazorlive

It was.

Historical analyses of early mechanization describe widespread reporting on the social consequences: rural workers losing jobs, small farmers being pushed out, and migration to cities. One source summarizes this as “machines gradually took over the fields, thousands of rural workers lost their stable jobs,” reflecting the tone of many mid‑century retrospectives on early tractor adoption.

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Bobby Donati@BobbyDonati91

@johnarnold And how many extra vehicle deaths per year are they willing to live with to keep those jobs?

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Gold Royalty@GoldRoyalty1

@johnarnold If that had been the response to the Tractor, perhaps Malthus would have been proven correct. Thankfully he was spectacularly wrong because we didn't embrace such silliness as this.

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hohenzollernrin@hohenzollernrin

@johnarnold It was. We are all better off with tractors, and I think our descendants will be better off with AI, but people will experience pain today, much like the displaced farmhands of the past.

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Maxime Peabody@MaximePeabody

This sort of response has happened time and time again, in the face of new technology:

1st century AD: Emperor Vespasian, in the face of a machine to transport heavy columns: “You must allow my poor hauliers to earn their bread” / “I must always ensure that the masses are fed.”

1589: Queen Elizabeth I and the stocking-frame knitting machine: “Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring to them ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars.”

1810s: Luddites, in response to textile tech

1830: the swing riots, explicitly targeting labor-saving farm machines

1930s: US Senate tries to ban dial telephones

1920s-1960s: Mandatory licensed elevator operators in cities and states

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