The proposal reacts to Anthropic blocking Claude pretraining prompts.
EXACTLY
June 9th Researcher Reciprocity License
"if you train on it, you let us generate - reverse terms of use void"
Status quo 1. We teach frontier devs with ICLR/NeurIPS papers, OSS Github contributions 2. They use it to make frontier models 3. Then ban us from exploring our ideas
We need a new license, original thinkers can't be an underclass to a tyrannical researcher fiefdom
Positive users back the reciprocity license proposal as a strategic or overdue fix for fair AI model access and open-source needs, while negative users call related restrictions or moves insane, maddening, or hostile.
@marksaroufim 4. they are gaslighting us and modifying/steering the model weight and prompt to hide this
i was enraged on reading this at first too.. then i thought… - what about private versions of models that public never know - nvidia has publicly acknowledged that they have custom trained model for chip designs n so on - so many more companies doing it in a different way - if u think about it asking to pay for tokens (with 90% cogs gm) itself is outrageous as most of it is from public domain
this is good for the industry.. there will be abundance of oss models and arms race to keep pushing the frontier
let’s say any frontier labs starts dumbing down agricultural, efficient energy, foundational physics, chemistry, biology model to keep their moat, bcos they don’t want competition, there will be boom in the market
i’m hoping @DarioAmodei @DanielaAmodei @AnthropicAI are living by their PBC character n values.. we need better explanation n justification behind this..
June 9th Researcher Reciprocity License
"if you train on it, you let us generate - reverse terms of use void"
Status quo 1. We teach frontier devs with ICLR/NeurIPS papers, OSS Github contributions 2. They use it to make frontier models 3. Then ban us from exploring our ideas
We need a new license, original thinkers can't be an underclass to a tyrannical researcher fiefdom
mythos will be bad ON PURPOSE on ai "frontier llm research" tasks, this is very very sad for the research community
also the fact that this is un purpose not visible to the user is crazy
@marksaroufim You can still use Gemini 😇
(not joking on behalf of Google etc)
@marksaroufim > original thinkers can't be an underclass to a tyrannical researcher fiefdom
@marksaroufim I wish it was this simple, looked into this a lot when we were building the RAIL license. Patent like reciprocity licenses do not work here.
Happy to point you to relevant legal literature in a different channel. We considered similar issues when drafting the RAIL license.
@marksaroufim Papers disclose ideas, not licensable model-use rights. Code licenses the copied code, not every model trained on it. Dataset/RAIL-style terms can attach to access, but copyright usually cannot control downstream facts, ideas, weights, or outputs.
@marksaroufim @keennay Proves even more the strategic importance of OSS models
@marksaroufim Even if software patent reciprocity could be applied broadly here, in a lot of the world software like model weights cannot be patented.
@marksaroufim How can we enforce a new license? They don't even respect the current copyright laws.
@marksaroufim This is also important! you are also not allowed to compete with ANY of their products and services, not just distillation. "D.4. Use Restrictions. Customer may not and must not attempt to (a) access the Services to build a competing product or service" https://www.anthropic.com/legal/commercial-terms
@marksaroufim it's really maddening ... it's such a bad move ...
@marksaroufim Agree. Really feel like we need a copy left licence for ai. You can do whatever you want with my data if you ship the weights.
@marksaroufim its absolutely insane
@marksaroufim I have never seen in one year a company set their political/social capital on fire so quickly
@BlackHC @marksaroufim
@eliebakouch @marksaroufim This is hostile as fuck
@marksaroufim EUPL-1.2 has distribution as use clauses.
@marksaroufim So rightly put.
@marksaroufim And this ignores the fair use arguments the LLM providers could make.
Now, regulation that prevents LLM providers from intentionally degrading service without telling you would go a long way.
The proposal reacts to Anthropic blocking Claude pretraining prompts.
EXACTLY
June 9th Researcher Reciprocity License
"if you train on it, you let us generate - reverse terms of use void"
Status quo 1. We teach frontier devs with ICLR/NeurIPS papers, OSS Github contributions 2. They use it to make frontier models 3. Then ban us from exploring our ideas
We need a new license, original thinkers can't be an underclass to a tyrannical researcher fiefdom
