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Compositional Muon Optimizer Extends Muon to Transformer Circuits

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Introducing Compositional Muon, an optimizer that extends Muon from individual matrices to composed transformer circuits.

Modern optimizers usually draw trust regions around individual parameters. But in attention, the loss often sees compositions like QK^T and OV. Updating each factor independently can therefore control the wrong object. Compositional Muon closes this gap by deriving partner-whitened update rules. Each factor鈥檚 update is shaped by the spectral geometry of the matrix it is composed with, producing more stable composed updates and better effective learning-rate allocation across heads and layers.

For QK, this gives a head-local half-split rule. For OV, the circuit geometry selects a hybrid rule: (V) is optimized per-head, while (W_O) is optimized as the single matrix that aggregates all heads back into the residual stream.

CM improves over Muon at 340M and 1B scale, transfers to the modded-nanoGPT optimization benchmark, and can be approximated cheaply as partner-rescaled Muon via the isotropic rule.

The broader point is optimizer-architecture co-design: better optimizers should not only ask how to update a parameter, but what composed circuit that parameter participates in. CM is one step toward optimizers that respect the functional structure the loss actually sees.

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I'd say TildeResearch has the best taste

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Xidulu@xidulu

@tilderesearch This reminds me of Quack from @laurence_ai and @benaibean : https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.21377

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Tilde@tilderesearch

Read the full post here: https://blog.tilderesearch.com/blog/compositional-muon

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nor@norxornor

cool work! i was recently working on understanding the behavior of deep linear subnetwork reparameterization of linear layers - typical optimization with them (e.g. with weight decay) leads to something resembling a nuclear norm penalty on the weights (the visible spectral gap can be seen as an artifact of that) and also makes updates slower than they can be (bounds using single layer worst case twice are weaker than actual steepest descent bounds), and keeping in mind the factorized structure can help improve both, as in this approach

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stochasm@stochasticchasm

@xidulu @laurence_ai @tilderesearch @benaibean i have too many optimizer things to read

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tom@thomasp_19

@tilderesearch tilde locked in

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Oleg kAI@oleg_kai

@tilderesearch buried beat is composition-aware optimization is the missing layer between adam independence and full joint updates. current tensor cores resist it. software-hardware co-design becomes the training-cost bottleneck before architecture does.

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Guilherme O'Tina@guilhermeotina

the tension is real: adam updates Q and K independently but the loss only sees QK^T. gradient components that cancel in the product are invisible to the loss yet consume update budget. the practical question is whether jacobian recomposition per circuit block buys enough to justify the extra compute vs just tying lr ratios between paired matrices

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Grigory Evko@GrigoryEvko

@tilderesearch can't unsee it now

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