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    OpenAI vs. Anthropic: capital efficiency and token costs

    A post quotes Atreides Management CIO Gavin Baker arguing that Anthropic has a “dramatically lower cost per token” than OpenAI and burned “maybe 80% less.”

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    A post shares remarks attributed to Atreides Management CIO Gavin Baker from the YouTube channel “Invest Like The Best.” Baker argues that OpenAI and Anthropic differ sharply in capital efficiency. He claims Anthropic has a “dramatically lower cost per token” and burned “maybe 80% less” than OpenAI, saying the businesses have very different structural returns on invested capital.

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    Rohan Paul@rohanpaul_ai"OpenAI and Anthropic are pretty different animals from a capital efficiency perspective. And Anthropic clearly has a dramatically lower cost per token than OpenAI. They burned maybe 80% less than OpenAI. So as businesses, they clearly have very different structural ROICs." - Gavin Baker (@GavinSBaker ), U.S. hedge fund manager and Chief Investment Officer of Atreides Management. --- From "Invest Like The Best" ( @InvestLikeBest ) YouTube channel, (link in comment)20d
    Andrew Mayne@AndrewMayneThis is like the analysts confused why Bezos kept building data centers or Elon Tesla factories. They claimed Teslas actually cost ~$200k because they were accounting for factories that were being built and counted that cost against current cars. OpenAI models are much more token efficient. To count the costs of spending on future products (devices, chips, robotics etc) or data centers against current token cost is silly.20d
    Teortaxes▶️ (DeepSeek 推特🐋铁粉 2023 – ∞)@teortaxesTexhuh It's obviously true for garbage tier models like Haiku and Sonnet, which Anthropic neglects. OpenAI cares a lot about the economy tier (thanks btw). But is this true even for Fable/Mythos though? Is Ant eating lower margin on Fable, compared to eg Astra? Hard to believe.18d

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    Rohan Paul@rohanpaul_ai"OpenAI and Anthropic are pretty different animals from a capital efficiency perspective. And Anthropic clearly has a dramatically lower cost per token than OpenAI. They burned maybe 80% less than OpenAI. So as businesses, they clearly have very different structural ROICs." - Gavin Baker (@GavinSBaker ), U.S. hedge fund manager and Chief Investment Officer of Atreides Management. --- From "Invest Like The Best" ( @InvestLikeBest ) YouTube channel, (link in comment)20d
    Andrew Mayne@AndrewMayneThis is like the analysts confused why Bezos kept building data centers or Elon Tesla factories. They claimed Teslas actually cost ~$200k because they were accounting for factories that were being built and counted that cost against current cars. OpenAI models are much more token efficient. To count the costs of spending on future products (devices, chips, robotics etc) or data centers against current token cost is silly.20d
    Teortaxes▶️ (DeepSeek 推特🐋铁粉 2023 – ∞)@teortaxesTexhuh It's obviously true for garbage tier models like Haiku and Sonnet, which Anthropic neglects. OpenAI cares a lot about the economy tier (thanks btw). But is this true even for Fable/Mythos though? Is Ant eating lower margin on Fable, compared to eg Astra? Hard to believe.18d