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    Experts Debate Astra's AGI Potential

    Martin Ford questions whether Astra qualifies as AGI without human-like continual learning.

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    Martin Ford posted that without human-like continual learning capability over long periods, Astra would not qualify as AGI. He argued that even a system passing Demis Hassabis's proposed test of independently discovering general relativity would remain a jagged intelligence without on-the-job learning capability. Gary Marcus retweeted Ford's remarks. Separately, 𝒻 (x) 🇲🇾 quoted Marcus's remark that as a scientist, it’s disappointing that we don’t (yet) know much about how the system actually works.

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    Many accounts expressed awe at AI productivity gains and endorsed "jagged AGI" as an accurate label for current systems, while others rejected the term insisting Astra still lacks true general intelligence and continual learning.

    Based on 58 sentiment-bearing replies from 45 accounts across 5 conversations.

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    Many accounts expressed awe at AI productivity gains and endorsed "jagged AGI" as an accurate label for current systems, while others rejected the term insisting Astra still lacks true general intelligence and continual learning.

    Based on 58 sentiment-bearing replies from 45 accounts across 5 conversations.

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    @drahfa"• And as a scientist, it’s disappointing that we don’t (yet) know much about how the system actually works." This is so true.
    @MFordFutureDoes Astra have human-like continual learning capability over long periods? If not, it's not AGI. Even a system that could pass @demishassabis's new "Turing test" where it has to independently discover general relativity is still a jagged intelligence without human-level "on the job" learning capability. You would have a system that could discover relativity but probably couldn't automate Einstein's job in the Swiss patent office. Lack of continual learning capability is probably an important part of the reason that, so far, we don't see a big impact on white collar jobs beyond entry level.
    @GaryMarcusRT @MFordFuture: Does Astra have human-like continual learning capability over long periods? If not, it's not AGI. Even a system that coul…
    @AlexanderKalianCan GPT-6 Astra do long-term memory, spatial-positional reasoning, out-of-distribution novel creativity, and temporal navigation in a way that is competitive with humans? No? Not "AGI" then.
    @teortaxesTexAstra made me realize that for some people, "not AGI" means "not an omnipotent, omniscient, infallible God". Yeah, it can stall or fail. What about you, carbonoid?
    @emollickI would buy that we are in an AGI era for "jagged AGI" (better than human in many areas, worse in others) but is that AGI? If you mean better than a human expert at most human tasks, we aren't there (yet?). But it is still astonishing that AI is where it is & got there so fast.

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    @drahfa"• And as a scientist, it’s disappointing that we don’t (yet) know much about how the system actually works." This is so true.
    @MFordFutureDoes Astra have human-like continual learning capability over long periods? If not, it's not AGI. Even a system that could pass @demishassabis's new "Turing test" where it has to independently discover general relativity is still a jagged intelligence without human-level "on the job" learning capability. You would have a system that could discover relativity but probably couldn't automate Einstein's job in the Swiss patent office. Lack of continual learning capability is probably an important part of the reason that, so far, we don't see a big impact on white collar jobs beyond entry level.
    @GaryMarcusRT @MFordFuture: Does Astra have human-like continual learning capability over long periods? If not, it's not AGI. Even a system that coul…
    @AlexanderKalianCan GPT-6 Astra do long-term memory, spatial-positional reasoning, out-of-distribution novel creativity, and temporal navigation in a way that is competitive with humans? No? Not "AGI" then.
    @teortaxesTexAstra made me realize that for some people, "not AGI" means "not an omnipotent, omniscient, infallible God". Yeah, it can stall or fail. What about you, carbonoid?
    @emollickI would buy that we are in an AGI era for "jagged AGI" (better than human in many areas, worse in others) but is that AGI? If you mean better than a human expert at most human tasks, we aren't there (yet?). But it is still astonishing that AI is where it is & got there so fast.