Chelsea Sierra Voss points out Apple Guideline 4.5.4 already bans promotional push notifications without explicit consent · Digg

Chelsea Sierra Voss points out Apple Guideline 4.5.4 already bans promotional push notifications without explicit consent · Digg

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Sheel Mohnot@pitdesi

@bscholl Wondering how many pool owners yelp is targeting in San Francisco

Blake Scholl 🛫@bscholl

Should Apple have an App Store rule that transactional and advertising push notifications must have separate opt-ins?

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Chelsea Sierra Voss@csvoss

@bscholl They already do; it’s App Review Guideline 4.5.4, and you can report violations of it here: https://developer.apple.com/contact/app-store/?topic=report-an-app

Blake Scholl 🛫@bscholl

Should Apple have an App Store rule that transactional and advertising push notifications must have separate opt-ins?

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Chris DeWeese@chrisdeweese_

@bscholl YES! Uber and DoorDash are also huge violators of this, it’s ridiculous

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Chelsea Sierra Voss@csvoss

@bscholl The guideline: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#:~:text=Push%20Notifications%20should%20not%20be%20used%20for%20promotions%20or%20direct%20marketing%20purposes%20unless%20customers%20have%20explicitly%20opted%20in

Chelsea Sierra Voss@csvoss

@bscholl They already do; it’s App Review Guideline 4.5.4, and you can report violations of it here: https://developer.apple.com/contact/app-store/?topic=report-an-app

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Adam 💻@i_spy_coffee

@bscholl They should borderline be banned. It’s not a notification. It’s an ad. I don’t want ads on my Home Screen.

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Jerome Israel@jerome_fletcher

@bscholl It's their loss.. people are going to turn off notifications but I also think these companies should provide a way for users to opt out of promotional notifications within their app.

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Andrew Kelly@andrewkphotos

@bscholl I hate those! I opt into notifications for ride status alerts not for them to try and sell me a ride I don’t need.

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Andrew Kelly@andrewkphotos

@TomcatJunkie @bscholl I hate that too. Dropped a friend off at DIA the other day and got uber and Lyft begging for a ride. I have location services for both apps set for “while using”, and neither were open at the time.

Not good!

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TomcatJunkie🏴‍☠️@TomcatJunkie

@andrewkphotos @bscholl And how I opt out of location tracking unless the app is open and yet they always know when I’ve landed at a new airport…

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Martin Price@pull_gs

@csvoss @bscholl This doesn't read (to me) like you need to provide separate opt-out, so apps bundle the pushes I really want with absolute garbage that I don't. Since the pushed I want aren't "required for the app to function" they can apparently get away with this.

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Martin Price@pull_gs

@csvoss @bscholl oooo good to know, thanks

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braai engineer@BraaiEngineer

@bscholl yeah same for @UberEats just turned of ALL their notifications. I’ll check the all thanks

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Moshe@Moshe_Grunwald

At this point all I want is to be able to have an LLM in the loop. Before a notification is delivered it should run through an LLM filter, which I can prompt. So I can describe exactly what I want:

- Instant delivery with a ping - silently deliver - add to daily summary - reject/block

It would also be nice for the system to manage the prompt as well. So if I get such a notification, I can tell it not to show me these again, explain what I don’t like about it, and it can learn for the future.

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Chelsea Sierra Voss@csvoss

@pull_gs @bscholl This is true; the vast majority of these apps *do* split out their opt-outs into separate toggles, since they’re incentivized to want you to still be able to opt into transactional notifications — and then they blatantly violate their own toggles, which you can report them for

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Chad Etzel@jazzychad

@bscholl These are already against the developer TOS, but Apple (to my knowledge) have never enforced these violations.

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DarthKeidran@DarthKeidran

I agree with this sentiment. I also feel like Apple should make a rule that advertisements must contain actual in-app footage that represents more than 50% of the typical experience from the app, and may not misrepresent the in-app experience (say goodbye to all those crappy ads that falsify the app/game experience), that they may not automatically open the App Store or web browser, and that if someone taps anywhere within 1/32 of the display’s total surface area in the vicinity of the skip or x buttons, that the skip or x buttons must register a tap.

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Jonathan Chen@jonathanchen77

@bscholl Yes this shit is intolerable

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Jag Gandhi@JagadishGandhi

@bscholl 100%. Apple should require apps to provide more granular opt-ins. I see a number of apps trying to push targeted advertising as transactional priority notifications. I usually disable notifications altogether for such apps. Unfortunately, need notifications for Uber and Lyft.

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TomcatJunkie🏴‍☠️@TomcatJunkie

@andrewkphotos @bscholl Same😑

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Matt Squire@msqu1re

@bscholl Definitely, makes the experience worse when constantly bombarding the user with fluff notifications they don’t want.

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