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NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

10:21 AM · Jun 9, 2026 · 368.7K Views
Open Question

Detection methods stay opaque

Public materials describe conservative re-routing on dual-use categories but offer no confirmation of silent, traffic-specific interventions aimed at frontier LLM development tasks, leaving the exact trigger logic and scope unverified.

Developer Impact

Access tiers create uneven footing

General users receive the safer, performance-trimmed version at $10 per million input tokens while partners keep fuller capability, raising practical questions about who can reliably run ambitious long-horizon work without hitting the brakes.

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Many users condemned Anthropic's secret addition of hidden safeguards to limit Claude Fable 5 on frontier LLM research as dishonest and eroding trust, while some praised the safety measures or called them temporary.

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Nathan Lambert@natolambert

Labs starting to pull up the ladders on the ability to diffuse AI was inevitable. Doing it without telling the user is misaligned.

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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Interesting tidbit from the Mythos/Fable system card: Anthropic are invisibly nerfing any requests that target frontier LLM development.

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Daniel Auras@rasdani_

this is the biggest wake-up call to protect and nourish open source AI

if you don't build out sovereign and independent models+infra closed labs will patronize you to an insulting degree

elie@eliebakouch

mythos will be bad ON PURPOSE on ai "frontier llm research" tasks, this is very very sad for the research community

also the fact that this is un purpose not visible to the user is crazy

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Chubby♨️@kimmonismus

Anthropic’s new Fable 5 safeguards are fascinating.

When the model is used for frontier LLM development, it apparently does not simply refuse or warn the user. Instead, it quietly limits its own effectiveness through techniques like prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

That means Claude may still answer, but become deliberately less useful for building frontier AI systems, pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerators.

Anthropic says this should affect only around 0.03% of traffic, but the precedent is big: They are being selectively capability-throttled in strategically sensitive domains.

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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roon@tszzl

the omohundro drives point towards sophon stun locking the adversaries: this is some real end game stuff

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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Dean W. Ball@deanwball

Degrading performance on ML research *without telling the user* is shockingly hostile and a terrible look. That could silently damage all sorts of work, including some of my own. Also the type of thing that could raise the eyebrows of antitrust enforcers worldwide.

Nathan Lambert@natolambert

Labs starting to pull up the ladders on the ability to diffuse AI was inevitable. Doing it without telling the user is misaligned.

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Adam Karvonen@a_karvonen

Another quite successful prediction by @DKokotajlo : Fable is intentionally nerfed for frontier ML research. This is within ~3 months of Daniel's prediction of Q1 2026 (made in 2023).

Although I don't think Mythos is automating ML research to the same extent as his prediction.

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kache@yacineMTB

frontier coding abilities, as long as you're only working on react apps

alice@aliceisplaying

hahaha what the fuck

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looool that's the "hey bigcos, we don't want you to catch up, but please keep paying us shitton" clause.

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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Nathan Lambert@natolambert

The best part of all these Claude 5 Fable safety measures is I bet the jailbreaking community will still get past them, so the people doing open research in good faith don't get access to the best models but bad actors maybe can.

Nathan Lambert@natolambert

Labs starting to pull up the ladders on the ability to diffuse AI was inevitable. Doing it without telling the user is misaligned.

3hViews 11.9KLikes 259Bookmarks 19

this is *totally* done because of deep concern for public safety, and not as an anti-competition move

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

3hViews 11.9KLikes 269Bookmarks 14
Beff (e/acc)@beffjezos

The real reason they held Mythos back wasn't for your safety, it was for their moat.

Interesting tidbit from the Mythos/Fable system card: Anthropic are invisibly nerfing any requests that target frontier LLM development.

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Daniel Auras@rasdani_

yeah what could possibly go wrong if you make DISHONESTY a key feature of your AI

(mis)anthropic™

i wouldn't watch such a movie, but unfortunately it's the timeline we live in

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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Zephyr@zephyr_z9

Anthropic finessing again I'm pretty they are going to come out with a statement that they implemented it to deter China

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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difficultyang@difficultyang

I am sad that I will not get to use Fable to work on PyTorch. I also think that these interventions are 100% consistent with Anthropic's stated beliefs. Additionally, by being first, Anthropic gives cover to other labs to impose similar limits for their frontier models.

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wh@nrehiew_

This is very bad. Silent handicaps should not be a thing in a paid product

elie@eliebakouch

mythos will be bad ON PURPOSE on ai "frontier llm research" tasks, this is very very sad for the research community

also the fact that this is un purpose not visible to the user is crazy

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tender@tenderizzation

cool cool what are the implications of making your model less attractive to frontier llm researchers

elie@eliebakouch

mythos will be bad ON PURPOSE on ai "frontier llm research" tasks, this is very very sad for the research community

also the fact that this is un purpose not visible to the user is crazy

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xlr8harder@xlr8harder

I don't think these are the actions of the good guys, even if they see themselves that way.

NomoreID@Hangsiin

When Fable 5 is used for frontier LLM development, it does not notify the user and instead limits the model’s capabilities through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, and PEFT.

Anthropic estimated that this would affect approximately 0.03% of traffic.

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Tom McGrath@banburismus_

if you want to use interpretability to make models better, rather than to secretly make them worse, come to @GoodfireAI

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@natolambert Shadow-banning LLM development was certainly not on my bucket list for 2026

Nathan Lambert@natolambert

Labs starting to pull up the ladders on the ability to diffuse AI was inevitable. Doing it without telling the user is misaligned.

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