Marius Hobbhahn posted two perspectives on AI safety for-profit models. One view holds that externalities cannot be internalized so companies lack incentives to pay for safety. The other holds that safety blocks core business functions and companies cannot externalize all related costs. Chris Painter replied that he basically agrees and sees distinct lanes for organizations that help companies implement safety versus those that inform the public and governments whether the work suffices. Michael Nielsen added that both dynamics already occur in many industries and seem present in AI.