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    Sinofsky Defends AI Training on Discarded Books

    Former Microsoft executive argues pulping books for AI training reduces landfill waste.

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    Steven Sinofsky retweeted commentary noting that hundreds of thousands of tons of mostly obscure and out-of-print books are pulped or landfilled annually because copyright rules block digitization. He and others contend that scanning the volumes for AI model training is preferable to outright disposal. Critics including Taylor Lorenz and Brian Roemmele condemn the physical destruction of copies by companies such as Anthropic, attributing the practice to copyright constraints and calling for an end to spine-cutting and pulping. The discussion highlights ongoing tension between data needs for large language models and preservation concerns.

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    @stevesiRT @WKCosmo: I'm going to say this again for those at the back: hundreds of thousands of TONS of books —some of them "rare" in the sense th…
    @iScienceLuvrYet another anti-AI psyop is destroying the minds of normies. There are many good reasons to disagree with Anthropic. Book scanning+destruction is not one of them. The real villain is the judge who didn't allow just scanning and required book destruction.
    @TaylorLorenzRT @2666enjoyer: yes, it's bad that anthropic is running a tail risk of destroying genuinely valuable books. it's also bad that they are no…
    @yoheinakajimawizard: we must now sacrifice these sacred texts to summon the almighty intelligence! assistant: is that how the intelligence transfers? wizard: well, no. it started that way because it was cheaper to scan when we cut off the book spine but the US court recently suggested that destroying the original supports our argument that we're not pirating the book but merely preserving it in a different format.
    @aran_nayebiProbably better on balance than those books just sitting idly in some rich guy's basement! (where no one would've really read them anyway...)
    @JasonThis makes me feel sick #shame
    @BrianRoemmeleRT @BrianRoemmele: Anthropic do the right thing. Stop the guillotining of books now. I ask any thinking person compare the processing of…
    @andersonbcdefgant is a convenient bogeyman but the true evil is that we allow humanity's collective knowledge and works to be locked up, owned, and destroyed at will by a few massive companies. scientific journals. disney. thomson reuters. these hegemonic entities must be destroyed & their knowledge distributed to the masses
    @PMinerviniRT @yoavgo: it is kinda evil that copyright laws de facto force companies to both destroy the books they scan AND not share the scans (so t…
    @pitdesiMost people mad about this seem to misunderstand it Rare doesn’t mean collector’s item. It means out-of-print books, like old Windows 98 books or niche technical books that were never digitized. Ppl have an oddly emotional reaction to books that they don’t have to other media.

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    @stevesiRT @WKCosmo: I'm going to say this again for those at the back: hundreds of thousands of TONS of books —some of them "rare" in the sense th…
    @iScienceLuvrYet another anti-AI psyop is destroying the minds of normies. There are many good reasons to disagree with Anthropic. Book scanning+destruction is not one of them. The real villain is the judge who didn't allow just scanning and required book destruction.
    @TaylorLorenzRT @2666enjoyer: yes, it's bad that anthropic is running a tail risk of destroying genuinely valuable books. it's also bad that they are no…
    @yoheinakajimawizard: we must now sacrifice these sacred texts to summon the almighty intelligence! assistant: is that how the intelligence transfers? wizard: well, no. it started that way because it was cheaper to scan when we cut off the book spine but the US court recently suggested that destroying the original supports our argument that we're not pirating the book but merely preserving it in a different format.
    @aran_nayebiProbably better on balance than those books just sitting idly in some rich guy's basement! (where no one would've really read them anyway...)
    @JasonThis makes me feel sick #shame
    @BrianRoemmeleRT @BrianRoemmele: Anthropic do the right thing. Stop the guillotining of books now. I ask any thinking person compare the processing of…
    @andersonbcdefgant is a convenient bogeyman but the true evil is that we allow humanity's collective knowledge and works to be locked up, owned, and destroyed at will by a few massive companies. scientific journals. disney. thomson reuters. these hegemonic entities must be destroyed & their knowledge distributed to the masses
    @PMinerviniRT @yoavgo: it is kinda evil that copyright laws de facto force companies to both destroy the books they scan AND not share the scans (so t…
    @pitdesiMost people mad about this seem to misunderstand it Rare doesn’t mean collector’s item. It means out-of-print books, like old Windows 98 books or niche technical books that were never digitized. Ppl have an oddly emotional reaction to books that they don’t have to other media.