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    DeepSeek’s claimed cost advantage and the debate over frontier AI labs

    One post estimates DeepSeek v4.1 Flash cost $10 million to train, 100x less than GPT-6 Astra. The exchange turns on whether Chinese labs still rely on distillation from American models.

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    In a September 15, 2026 exchange, a user estimated DeepSeek v4.1 Flash cost $10 million to train—100x less than GPT-6 Astra—and claimed it also costs 100x less to run while scoring about the same on everyday design and other benchmarks. The user asked what the bull case for frontier AI labs would be once open-source models are competent enough.

    The disagreement centered on distillation, or learning from other models. A respondent argued that Chinese labs still rely on American models, particularly their thinking traces and ways of breaking down problems, while crediting Chinese video models as frontier-level. The original poster argued that Chinese labs already had enough data to avoid further distillation. The respondent said China could develop models independently but claimed it had not yet demonstrated a clean-slate model.

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    @EMostaqueSo @deepseek_ai v4.1 Flash I estimate cost $10m to train, 100x less than GPT-6 Astra. It also costs 100x less to run and scores about the same on everyday design and other benchmarks What's the bull case for the frontier AI labs once the open source models are competent enough
    @AndrewMayne@EMostaque @deepseek_ai Save that question for when we see a frontier Chinese model that wasn’t distilled from American models.

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    @EMostaqueSo @deepseek_ai v4.1 Flash I estimate cost $10m to train, 100x less than GPT-6 Astra. It also costs 100x less to run and scores about the same on everyday design and other benchmarks What's the bull case for the frontier AI labs once the open source models are competent enough
    @AndrewMayne@EMostaque @deepseek_ai Save that question for when we see a frontier Chinese model that wasn’t distilled from American models.