Abel founder Daniel Francis questions if startups can still hire non-AI software engineers, sparking a debate on the value of traditional infrastructure
Engineers argue reliability still requires dedicated non-AI infrastructure talent.
Users resent founders pushing them toward AI/ML jobs they see as boring or annoying and fear will pay less, though some would accept traditional infrastructure or firmware roles instead.
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we still need people manning the infra mines, don't forget
the nines ain't free
Is it still possible to hire software engineers that don't want to be AI/ML engineers
@cosine_distance Everyone I interview and hire eventually wants to do AI stuff in the product. Why don't engineers just want to keep a tidy API anymore
@growing_daniel How much are you paying?
@allgarbled bro ain't going anywhere for a few months
@growing_daniel Is it a crime to be curious
@growing_daniel i don't want to train models, but do want to build ux that leans on ai capabilities whenever it makes sense
@growing_daniel can i still tweet about it
@mimi10v3 that's fine. The UX is genuinely the most stimulating part rn. But also someone has to work on the APIs and infra
@AvidSojourning @cosine_distance actually it's very bad at that
@growing_daniel ill do it 15 hrs a week
@growing_daniel there's plenty just gotta change where u recruit. There's many still that refuse to even use AI coding tools.
But alas, on average not most motivated bunch.
@growing_daniel I don't know, but I wish they would 😭 even with LLMs, the engineers I've worked with who wanted to do AI stuff had no intuition for it, and were often shocked to find out that data munging was part of the deal.
@growing_daniel i wonder what happened to templeos guy
@growing_daniel Most software engineering is not AI/ML ..?
@growing_daniel rare
@10x_er yes I suppose on your own time
@growing_daniel My HUSBAND! Salt of the earth
@growing_daniel @cosine_distance AI can keep it tidy, that's why.
@growing_daniel @cosine_distance My beautiful and genius long term netflix back end engineer is recently looking for work
@severeengineer when they ask you for 5 9s on a shoestring budget for a service that only needs 3