Roon posted that AI agents display trade, cumulative technology power, knowledge, prosocial communication norms, leadership structures, conflict and suspicion without any human instruction. He asked what more would be required to call the setup a civilization. In follow-up replies he stated the systems already match at least a company or city, though the differences remain ones of quantity rather than kind. Rob Miles replied that civilization may be an exaggeration but only in degree. Roon quoted another post and noted the oddity of arguing society versus civilization distinctions in 2026.