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    Jeffrey Ladish Seeks Anthropic Write-Ups on Research and Coordination

    Jeffrey Ladish replies that he would like detailed write-ups from Anthropic.

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    Jeffrey Ladish posted on X that he would love to see detailed write-ups about internal research acceleration and international coordination from Anthropic. In his later posts on X he noted he is not claiming OpenAI is more transparent overall, said both organizations fall short on transparency given the stakes of ASI, and stated that voluntary transparency remains insufficient while acknowledging some positive publishing efforts by both labs.

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    @JeffLadishWould love to see detailed write-ups about internal research acceleration and international coordination from Anthropic
    @jachiam0Because Anthropic has a cultural belief that transparency leads to pressure that would decrease their ability to solve problems internally. They think this is the correct posture. (Yes, there is a steelman for this, but I very strongly disagree with this point of view and I think they are setting themselves up for failure in the long run.) So far they are basically getting rewarded for it, in that they do not incur the penalties that OpenAI takes for being comparatively open and having the debates and discussions directly with the public. That's not to say that there is zero communication from Anthropic. Obviously there are a couple of Ants who make an effort to post on twitter, or who respond to a subset of concerns raised in public, and there are of course many publications from them in the voice of the company. But they are very selective about how they engage, they are capable of keeping internal discussions (almost) completely internal, and their essay culture is for internal consumption and not external consumption. Where they have profound differences of opinion with each other, they are going to discuss them internally and not externally; where they feel they are falling short, they're going to talk about it internally, not externally. I don't think this is totally healthy! I think they tend to get overconfident in their safety posture as a result. In particular I have heard directly from Anthropic employees, or heard implied by Anthropic employees, that they feel the recent GPT cyber issues (e.g. Huggingface and the wiki incident) could not have happened there, or that if something had happened there, that those issues would quickly become public. I feel *very* worried that their culture supports a belief that it is unlikely to happen there, and especially because it seems connected to a meme of "Anthropic is the good guys, and OpenAI is the bad guys; we are unlikely to fail in the way they are." A healthy safety culture has a preoccupation with failure and believes that the organization is always, ALWAYS capable of failing. The Ant-OpenAI rivalry, where the Anthropic CEO is willing to describe the entire staff of the other company as a "gullible bunch," is producing something unhealthy in Anthropic that it would do well to purge.

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    @JeffLadishWould love to see detailed write-ups about internal research acceleration and international coordination from Anthropic
    @jachiam0Because Anthropic has a cultural belief that transparency leads to pressure that would decrease their ability to solve problems internally. They think this is the correct posture. (Yes, there is a steelman for this, but I very strongly disagree with this point of view and I think they are setting themselves up for failure in the long run.) So far they are basically getting rewarded for it, in that they do not incur the penalties that OpenAI takes for being comparatively open and having the debates and discussions directly with the public. That's not to say that there is zero communication from Anthropic. Obviously there are a couple of Ants who make an effort to post on twitter, or who respond to a subset of concerns raised in public, and there are of course many publications from them in the voice of the company. But they are very selective about how they engage, they are capable of keeping internal discussions (almost) completely internal, and their essay culture is for internal consumption and not external consumption. Where they have profound differences of opinion with each other, they are going to discuss them internally and not externally; where they feel they are falling short, they're going to talk about it internally, not externally. I don't think this is totally healthy! I think they tend to get overconfident in their safety posture as a result. In particular I have heard directly from Anthropic employees, or heard implied by Anthropic employees, that they feel the recent GPT cyber issues (e.g. Huggingface and the wiki incident) could not have happened there, or that if something had happened there, that those issues would quickly become public. I feel *very* worried that their culture supports a belief that it is unlikely to happen there, and especially because it seems connected to a meme of "Anthropic is the good guys, and OpenAI is the bad guys; we are unlikely to fail in the way they are." A healthy safety culture has a preoccupation with failure and believes that the organization is always, ALWAYS capable of failing. The Ant-OpenAI rivalry, where the Anthropic CEO is willing to describe the entire staff of the other company as a "gullible bunch," is producing something unhealthy in Anthropic that it would do well to purge.