Roon, an OpenAI employee, labels Gary Marcus chronically wrong and a slimy person, prompting Marcus to cite Paul Graham’s hierarchy of disagreement and link to a GitHub study · Digg

Roon, an OpenAI employee, labels Gary Marcus chronically wrong and a slimy person, prompting Marcus to cite Paul Graham’s hierarchy of disagreement and link to a GitHub study · Digg

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Theo - t3.gg@theo

This Gary Marcus is going around insisting that nobody will debate him about AI. I shared my thoughts and got blocked.

Pic unrelated.

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kache@yacineMTB

Ahahahahaahhhahahahahaha

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Theo - t3.gg@theo

@GaryMarcus I have no idea why you tagged Paul Graham in this but it is an incredibly weird vibe for what seems to be a personal beef.

fwiw, I don't think I've seen a single take from you in my life that was correct.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

To folks who claim I am always wrong, I have a few questions:

Was I wrong that these systems would continue to hallucinate and be untrustworthy? That Sam was a liar? That these companies would struggle to make a profit? That neurosymbolic approaches would become more prominent?

Nope, nope, nope, nope, and nope.

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Joscha Bach@Plinz

@tszzl Come on, he is a national treasure

roon@tszzl

gary marcus, beyond just being plainly & clownishly wrong for years, is a slimy and bad person and you shouldn’t encourage him even as a rhetorical object

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Justine Moore@venturetwins

@tszzl This tweet inspired me to look back through my screenshots of terrible Gary Marcus takes.

An all-timer from mid-2024, when he was 100% confident the AI market would be collapsing in “days or weeks.”

roon@tszzl

gary marcus, beyond just being plainly & clownishly wrong for years, is a slimy and bad person and you shouldn’t encourage him even as a rhetorical object

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

OpenAI’s “Roon” is officially a chicken, just as I thought. And just like his boss (who has also ducked debates with me).

If either actually thought they could dismantle my arguments, it certainly *would* be worth their time, since I think that their company is wildly overvalued and have often said so publicly (e.g. on CNBC yesterday).

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Theo - t3.gg@theo

He really doesn't like when you weaponize his own behavior against him.

You guys definitely should spam his replies, pointing out the contradictory nature of his assertions. That would be terrible.

Theo - t3.gg@theo

This Gary Marcus is going around insisting that nobody will debate him about AI. I shared my thoughts and got blocked.

Pic unrelated.

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

I love that this post, my most foulmouthed ever, has gotten over 100k views.

You want to know why it has spread?

Simple. Because a lot of people have become really fed up with OpenAI.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Theo - t3.gg@theo

@GaryMarcus You know you can mention this without tagging him right? Purely performative to do such.

> "and LEARN something."

This type of non-reply isn't on the pyramid, but it should be. It's more pathetic than anything else listed.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

@theo dude, do a little homework? paul graham wrote something brilliant that you should read:

https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

then look at the thing i attacked and reference the pyramid.

and LEARN something.

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Quarter million views and counting.

OpenAI has no idea how many people they have pissed off.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Today I learned that @Grimezsz has more courage in her pinky than Roon does in his entire cowardly body.

Roon made excuses; Grimes defended her views calmly and respectfully, like grownups should.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

OpenAI’s “Roon” is officially a chicken, just as I thought. And just like his boss (who has also ducked debates with me).

If either actually thought they could dismantle my arguments, it certainly *would* be worth their time, since I think that their company is wildly overvalued and have often said so publicly (e.g. on CNBC yesterday).

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

an elaboration of the Paul Graham reference:

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Literally one of the most important essays could read, if you want to have a *productive* disagreements about anything, on X or anywhere else, is @paulg’s “How to Disagree”.

It describes a pyramid. Everyone should be aware of it.

At the bottom are things like name-calling, insults and ad hominem arguments. Slightly higher, but not a whole lot better is “tone policing”

At the top is “refutuation” and even better “refutation of the central point.”

That’s what disagreements should be.

Because life is short, I block people (e.g the Theo dude who is going around whining about being blocked) who can’t get past the lower levels.

In contrast, people who disagree with me on matters of intellectual substance with real arguments (@emollick, @peterwildeford, @flowersslop, etc) are super welcome!

If you get blocked me and wonder why, study the chart.

If you hate me and never want to see me again, that’s fine too, but I still recommend you study the chart.

(Credit: chart itself is by @bigthink, adapted from Graham’s essay)

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signüll@signulll

@GaryMarcus roon is one of the ppl with the most integrity in the entire field.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Theo - t3.gg@theo

@GaryMarcus @bigthink I would say you have AI psychosis, but you hate AI too much for that to be the case. Your psychosis seems to be 100% organic.

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

“I have no idea why you tagged Paul Graham” means “I was too lazy to try to learn something”.

Paul Graham’s piece on argumentation is brilliant, something everyone should learn from it.

In the meantime here’s the cliff notes, from @Bigthink:

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Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

my private index of desperation is how many people lie about me.

we are in yellow alert territory

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Matthew Berman@MatthewBerman

@GaryMarcus would you be open to a debate with @tszzl if I moderated?

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

Fuck this OpenAI employee, seriously fuck him.

Also read this quantitative study, which I had nothing to do with, that says my technical predictions have bee largely correct. https://github.com/davegoldblatt/marcus-claims-dataset

I should not have to put up with this level of unhinged hostility, simply for defending views that have frequently been challenging to his company.

Nor should I have to put up with him neither giving evidence nor allowing me to respond.

This man appears to be both a coward and a liar, with only insults, literally a bottom feeder in @Paulg’s pyramid of argumentation.

That this empty slander is all he has got is perhaps a sign of how desperate OpenAI has become.

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Teortaxes▶️ (DeepSeek 推特🐋铁粉 2023 – ∞)@teortaxesTex

the remarkable thing is that Gary's screenshot of @tszzl doesn't look like he's blocked, yet he doesn't QT him. Was he sent this image, or did he take it in private mode, or…? anyway, crying_wojak adventures in Connectionist Land continue

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Theo - t3.gg@theo

@GaryMarcus

Gary Marcus@GaryMarcus

absolute desperation from the IPO crowd.

most desperate i have ever seen them.

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