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    AI research funding and the struggle to keep professors in academia

    Universities haven't adapted their funding to AI's costs, a Stanford professor argues in remarks shared by MTSlive. He also blames growing bureaucracy for making academia a worse research environment.

    Christopher ManningCM
    Kosta DerpanisKD
    John ThickstunJT
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    MTSlive shares a Stanford professor's argument that universities are losing AI faculty to frontier labs because funding hasn't kept up with research costs. He says new AI faculty need multimillion-dollar support like physics and chemistry hires. He calls Stanford's Marlowe cluster of 256 H100s an “okay baby step,” saying there probably needs to be about 10 times that much computing capacity. A user sharing the remarks says a few simple experiments for their latest AI paper cost roughly $20,000–$50,000.

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    MTS@MTSliveStanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer science like it’s 2005, when a laptop was enough: "Universities have just been too flat-footed in dealing with the way the computing and AI world has changed. There are really two problems." "Over the last couple of decades, universities have become enormously more bureaucratic and administrative, and that makes them a less good research environment than they used to be in the 20th century." "Universities got used to this nice period around 1990 to 2010, when computer scientists needed barely any money for their research. You bought a laptop or a PC, and it was fine. The reality now is that computer scientists, particularly in AI, need a lot of money." "It's established that if you're hiring a new faculty in physics or chemistry, you need some millions of dollars, but it hasn't trickled down that people in AI need that too. There are too many professors leaving academia." "Stanford made a start with the Marlowe cluster of 256 H100s. That's an okay baby step, but there probably needs to be about 10 times that much." @stanfordnlp @Stanford21d
    Christopher Manning@chrmanningRT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…21d
    Jessica Chudnovsky@jchudnovThis is really well said... the low capex frontier computer science era is (sadly) over! I recently told a friend (a PhD in neuroscience and biology) that a few simple experiments for my latest AI paper cost ~$20-50k, expecting her to be surprised. She was completely unfazed, replying: "that's how much one small experiment in biology costs lmao." And a single biology paper can take dozens of those.20d
    Jonathan Richard Schwarz@schwarzjn_RT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…20d
    Kosta Derpanis@CSProfKGDRT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…20d
    John Thickstun@jwthickstunRT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…20d

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    MTS@MTSliveStanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer science like it’s 2005, when a laptop was enough: "Universities have just been too flat-footed in dealing with the way the computing and AI world has changed. There are really two problems." "Over the last couple of decades, universities have become enormously more bureaucratic and administrative, and that makes them a less good research environment than they used to be in the 20th century." "Universities got used to this nice period around 1990 to 2010, when computer scientists needed barely any money for their research. You bought a laptop or a PC, and it was fine. The reality now is that computer scientists, particularly in AI, need a lot of money." "It's established that if you're hiring a new faculty in physics or chemistry, you need some millions of dollars, but it hasn't trickled down that people in AI need that too. There are too many professors leaving academia." "Stanford made a start with the Marlowe cluster of 256 H100s. That's an okay baby step, but there probably needs to be about 10 times that much." @stanfordnlp @Stanford21d
    Christopher Manning@chrmanningRT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…21d
    Jessica Chudnovsky@jchudnovThis is really well said... the low capex frontier computer science era is (sadly) over! I recently told a friend (a PhD in neuroscience and biology) that a few simple experiments for my latest AI paper cost ~$20-50k, expecting her to be surprised. She was completely unfazed, replying: "that's how much one small experiment in biology costs lmao." And a single biology paper can take dozens of those.20d
    Jonathan Richard Schwarz@schwarzjn_RT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…20d
    Kosta Derpanis@CSProfKGDRT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…20d
    John Thickstun@jwthickstunRT @MTSlive: Stanford Prof. @chrmanning says universities are losing AI professors to frontier labs because they still fund computer scienc…20d