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Jürgen Schmidhuber argues prediction models alone are insufficient for AI, requiring active decision-making and reinforcement learning

Early LSTM setups faced 10 million times costlier compute.

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Ravid Shwartz Ziv@ziv_ravid#617inAI

🚨🚨🚨Jürgen Schmidhuber (@SchmidhuberAI ) on The Information Bottleneck podcast!!!

The man, the legend, one of the godfathers of modern AI.

His lab worked out a lot of what we're scaling today (LSTM, world models, Transformer variants, GAN-style setups) back when compute was ten million times more expensive.

We went back to the beginning, and what was special about that moment in time. We covered so many topics: why prediction isn't enough, and why acting in the world needs a real decision-making process. We get into compression from Kepler to Einstein, why we still don't have a robot that can do a plumber's job, the PMAX vs. JEPA exchange, how "to Schmidhuber" became a verb, what he thinks about the other godfathers of AI, and a special question from the audience :)

🎧 Link in comments. Part 2 soon.

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Jürgen Schmidhuber@SchmidhuberAI

I really enjoyed being a guest on the information bottleneck podcast. Many thanks to Ravid and Allen for doing such a great job!

🚨🚨🚨Jürgen Schmidhuber (@SchmidhuberAI ) on The Information Bottleneck podcast!!!

The man, the legend, one of the godfathers of modern AI.

His lab worked out a lot of what we're scaling today (LSTM, world models, Transformer variants, GAN-style setups) back when compute was ten million times more expensive.

We went back to the beginning, and what was special about that moment in time. We covered so many topics: why prediction isn't enough, and why acting in the world needs a real decision-making process. We get into compression from Kepler to Einstein, why we still don't have a robot that can do a plumber's job, the PMAX vs. JEPA exchange, how "to Schmidhuber" became a verb, what he thinks about the other godfathers of AI, and a special question from the audience :)

🎧 Link in comments. Part 2 soon.

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@SchmidhuberAI The episode - https://www.the-information-bottleneck.com/jurgen-schmidhuber-world-models-rl-and-the-year-that-changed-ai-part-1/

🚨🚨🚨Jürgen Schmidhuber (@SchmidhuberAI ) on The Information Bottleneck podcast!!!

The man, the legend, one of the godfathers of modern AI.

His lab worked out a lot of what we're scaling today (LSTM, world models, Transformer variants, GAN-style setups) back when compute was ten million times more expensive.

We went back to the beginning, and what was special about that moment in time. We covered so many topics: why prediction isn't enough, and why acting in the world needs a real decision-making process. We get into compression from Kepler to Einstein, why we still don't have a robot that can do a plumber's job, the PMAX vs. JEPA exchange, how "to Schmidhuber" became a verb, what he thinks about the other godfathers of AI, and a special question from the audience :)

🎧 Link in comments. Part 2 soon.

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mingos@mingos3

@ziv_ravid @SchmidhuberAI Let's go 🦻🕳️

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Strata@ChainZenit

@SchmidhuberAI Podcasts are just echo chambers for the same narratives these days.

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Chestuits@Chestu_eth

@SchmidhuberAI Sounds like a great episode will check it out

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Invincible@InvincibleEdge

@SchmidhuberAI enjoyed this one too, you covered a lot of ground without losing the thread

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Rugbist@rugbist_

@SchmidhuberAI podcast discussions always hit different when the guest actually built the foundations

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Blissy@BlissyOnX

@SchmidhuberAI listening to the ep now, the depth on early lstm and transformers is wild

curious what variant u think gets the least credit

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