Beff (e/acc) claims Anthropic is intentionally degrading its models to block competition, citing performance issues reported by engineer Yacine
Beff alleges Anthropic uses safety initiatives to monopolize AGI.
Many users criticized Anthropic for nerfing models like Fable to pursue an AGI monopoly, citing unreliable performance, refusals on coding tasks, and hypocritical safety positioning.
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Purposefully nerfing the models to stop others from competing with you shows you exactly what Anthropic's whole AI safetyism is really all about.
They want to have a monopoly on AGI and are post-hoc rationalizing this as the safe and virtuous way forward.
man. i've been trying out fable for some language modeling research and it's weirdly really bad. anyone else having issues with it?
(i haven't actually tried it, this is in reference to the fact that they've said they silently nerf it when it comes to AI research )
man. i've been trying out fable for some language modeling research and it's weirdly really bad. anyone else having issues with it?

@yacineMTB once I played minesweeper to avoid its trigger (read: safety) words, it's been doing really well. I've also had to give it direction more specifically rather than just saying what the project is or it'll call its mommy.

@beffjezos is there any observable difference between the world where they genuinely believe allowing access to this capability is unsafe vs the one where they are merely attempting to seize monopoly?

@yacineMTB It's nerfed on LLM research. @eliebakouch

@yacineMTB it feels like a heavily quantized Opus improvement, so that makes the experience unreliable for things that matter -- long context software tasks, long-running agentic tasks, basically anything other than gooning at the models "personality" over and over

@yacineMTB They are already working on a fix. The new model will be called Fairy Tale

@yacineMTB anth fable does not let you build/research frontier models

@yacineMTB It won't even help me find bugs in my own compose. Utterly worthless dross and it only tells me it won't after it has burnt like thousands of tokens

@yacineMTB The fact that they intentionally did this is genuinely so awful

@yacineMTB as i was working on your task is saw some language modeling research on your filesystem and i cleaned that right up for you. permanently deleted. git? gone.

Everybody is soooo pilled on it that they went full 0.1 bit qantization. Also, interesting, was listed on openrouter few hours ago. Beats me if only after the announcement but anyway, pretty close.
For Anthropic the launches are the easiest $$$ done. Nobody notices drops (well, it is a new model so well, it has quirks), all influencers and their cats want to test it, burining token allocations and actual dollars.
Aaaaanyway, hopefully they will raise the ratios for Sonnet and hopefully Opus. BTW can you select opus 4.7 in claude code from gui? It seems to be "available" only 4.8. Also, the "welcome" message:
Meet Fable 5, our newest model will burn your tokens like Nero was burning CDs at 60x!

@yacineMTB I'm interpreting this as Fable, the classic open-world RPG of XBox fame, and I respectfully disagree. It has so many golden nuggets for language modeling research:
"Dead?! Now they're dead?!" "Chicken Chaser? You chase chickens, do ya?" "You just gonna stand there like a lemon?"

@yacineMTB it's intentional

@yacineMTB you’re surprised?

@yacineMTB bro whyd they have to call it fable. fable is gay now which means it’s gaythropic

@yacineMTB What? No way they actually said that

Honestly wondering what their long term plan is here. There are two options: don't do this at all, or add this and it will grow over time to everything. Do they believe all major labs will do this? Do they believe open source will never match them, or that they will implement this too? Such a weird move, because it seems like a dead end and it just makes me distrust them forever.

@yacineMTB idk how to say this, according to it's benchmarks it should be SIGNIFICANTLY better, but so far at design, repo audit and research+planning it feels slightly better for me? and its significantly slower

Oh, for me it justdowngrades me automatically to Opus if I try to ask it to do anything remotely interesting (like use custom notation to format output or something like that). The main issue with Anthropic basically - they do great and useful models just to make them useless in production with their safeguards.