Patrick McKenzie Announces Pangram Podcast Episode

Patrick McKenzie posted on X that his Complex Systems podcast this week features Max Spero of Pangram. The episode covers detecting AI-produced outputs, social implications at adversarial touchpoints in government and elsewhere, and how Pangram works under the hood. A retweet by Ben Anderson repeated the announcement with a similar summary. The posts present the appearance as confirmed by the host but contain no listener reactions or additional details.