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Investor Elena argues the AGI debate between LLMs and world models mirrors 18th-century philosophy from Herder and Kant

Herder aligns with LLMs, while Kant matches world models.

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Dan Shipper 📧@danshipper#1427inAI

yup

Elena@VirtualElena

extremely european voice: the llm vs world model debate is encapsulated & foreshadowed by the canonical texts of 18th century german aesthetic philosophy, specifically herder’s “treatise on the origin of language” and kant’s “conjectures on the beginning of human history.” both philosophers interrogated (and attempted to locate philosophically/temporally) the awakening of human reasoning/how we differ from animals. herder locates this quality in language and more specifically “besonnenheit” or the capacity to mark and stabilize experience in signs. meanwhile kant argues that the ability to visual and model future states (aka “conscious expectation of the future” itself the 3rd step in a 4 step process in which humans evolve out of animal instinct into reason/freedom…for those curious the 4 steps are 1) food 2) sex/modesty 3) future/anticipation 4) moral dominion and freedom) is THE thing that makes us human, the ability to have imagined futures. where you fall in the agi debate can largely be predicted by whose philosophy you align more with…herder’s or kant’s…

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Crémieux@cremieuxrecueil

@VirtualElena It's actually insane how autistic Kant was.

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Elena@VirtualElena

highly recommend taking german comp lit courses in college

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@VirtualElena Which ai researcher will go through an early Wittgenstein to late Wittgenstein evolution

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Crémieux@cremieuxrecueil

@MomaBera @VirtualElena A man with such developed habits you could set your watch by them.

And he loved coffee:

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Elena@VirtualElena

@oyhsu ilya hopefully…

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wordgrammer@wordgrammer

@VirtualElena Bookmarking this to feel better about not reading it

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@VirtualElena I’m going to bookmark this.

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@cremieuxrecueil @VirtualElena The men did the same thing at the same time every day. Are we surprised ?

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Virgil Maro@_virgil19

@VirtualElena an llm is pure herder with no kant, all besonnenheit and zero imagined future. it stabilizes the past it trained on but cant want a tomorrow

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JP Michaud@immeesh

@cremieuxrecueil @VirtualElena I love the stories of Kant's daily walks in Konigsberg. The townsfolk could set their watches by him. And a disciplined thinker as well.

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Michael Zellinger@mjzellinger

@cremieuxrecueil @VirtualElena That's why autists love him.

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whats going on@phone3301

@VirtualElena elephants have besonnenheit

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@cremieuxrecueil @VirtualElena I wonder if they put other things in the coffee too

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CosmicEgg.Earth@CosmicEggEarth

@VirtualElena Predict where this account falls in the AGI debate... We kinda despise philosophers.

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ryan@kanlu_07

@VirtualElena models can approximate a fascimile of both: language models already do herder's while physics engines / robotics predictors do some form of kant's

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rootless cosmopolitan@micromacrocosm

@VirtualElena The thinking machine can think therefore it is.

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M. K. Ling@TrustAndSafetyJ

@VirtualElena well spotted

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Adel Bucetta@adelbucetta

@VirtualElena that's a stretch. the actual challenge is applying those philosophical ideas to today's lls in a way that improves performance, not just sounds clever.

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Kevin Lin@quasicoh

@oyhsu @VirtualElena The transition to LLMs *was* the transition from early Wittgenstein to late Wittgenstein.

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