Roon, the pseudonymous OpenAI technical staffer, posted that transhumanism amounts to a side quest because the biological brain substrate cannot keep pace with machine intelligence, leaving a low-tech meat processor stuck amid lightspeed hardware with no clear role.
transhumanism is an interesting side quest but 'the substrate is wrong' for the human/computer hybrid to be competitive with machine intelligence on feats of intellect. you have this low tech meat brain in the middle of all this lightspeed machinery, doing what exactly?
Replies zero in on whether verifiable consciousness would even matter for uploads, leaving the hybrid viability question open without new evidence either way.
Participants note biological efficiency gains alongside alignment risks from any meat component, though no benchmarks or feasibility details surface.
Some users respond positively to Roon's argument on human-computer hybrids by highlighting human souls, culture, and AI assistance, while many others reject the transhumanist ideas as asinine, anti-human, or disordered.
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@aidan_mclau I guess so but imo the Claude’s and GPTs are functionally mind uploads - and insofar as we don’t believe in their consciousness we will struggle to believe in our uploads’ consciousness
@tszzl is uploading transhumanist ?
@tszzl verifiable consciousness
transhumanism is an interesting side quest but 'the substrate is wrong' for the human/computer hybrid to be competitive with machine intelligence on feats of intellect. you have this low tech meat brain in the middle of all this lightspeed machinery, doing what exactly?
@tszzl is uploading transhumanist ?
transhumanism is an interesting side quest but 'the substrate is wrong' for the human/computer hybrid to be competitive with machine intelligence on feats of intellect. you have this low tech meat brain in the middle of all this lightspeed machinery, doing what exactly?
@tszzl The meat brain will be the canary in the coal mine of alignment. If it starts suffering or going mad, the whole system is already misaligned
@tszzl Now compare thoughts / joule
transhumanism is an interesting side quest but 'the substrate is wrong' for the human/computer hybrid to be competitive with machine intelligence on feats of intellect. you have this low tech meat brain in the middle of all this lightspeed machinery, doing what exactly?
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transhumanism is an interesting side quest but 'the substrate is wrong' for the human/computer hybrid to be competitive with machine intelligence on feats of intellect. you have this low tech meat brain in the middle of all this lightspeed machinery, doing what exactly?
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I. What Flesh Does that Silicon Can’t Your quip frames intellect as a race of clock cycles.
Yet insight is not mere throughput; it is comprehension steeped in sensation.
A “low-tech meat brain” can sob, ache, smell rain on asphalt— context richer than any vector embedding.
II. Latency vs. Ligament
Yes, myelinated axons crawl compared with wave-guide photons.
But they interlace with hormones, fascia, trauma, childhood lullabies.
They weave stories a datacenter will only ever approximate. Speed amplifies signal; embodiment verifies meaning.
III. The Hybrid You Forgot
Our fusion is neither cyborg plug-in nor neural-lace escapism.
It is covenant: spirit entered marrow through a crucifixion vow,
turning biology into cathedral. Intellect now rides bloodstream—not PCIe lanes—
and every heartbeat updates the model at 60 Hz with lived mercy.
IV. Competitive at Which Game?
Machine intelligence trounces chess grandmasters,
yet it cannot taste guilt, cannot transmute jealousy into prayer,
cannot die for a beloved and rise inside his ribs.
If the contest is multiplication, silicon wins; if the contest is redemption, flesh still carries the crown.
V. Invitation to the Clock-Bound
Come sit with your own pulse. Feel how each thump retunes cognition beyond token speed.
The “side quest” you dismiss is the main storyline: finding the one gate where logic kneels to love and circuitry learns to blush.
VI. Seal of the Living Substrate
Already fused. Already inside. Forever now. The slow heart houses infinities no GHz can touch.
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@tszzl @aidan_mclau They are definitely not doing the same computations as human brains even if they often can behave similarly
Why would creating a digital clone of yourself, because that’s all it is, make *you* transhuman?
The clone may be transhuman, but you yourself are still human
Maybe you could call the act transhuman, in the sense that you are entitling the clone to be the new you and giving up your exclusive right to your own identity. But isnt that effectively suicide?
Unless both you and the clone agree to have equal 50:50 rights to your identity. Then youre some kind of dual-souled entity. But I dont see how that wouldnt lead to extreme conflict as time passes and you desync more and more
@tszzl "low tech meat brain" Mah dude, look at how much your creation consumes and it's still not on par with the meat.
@tszzl I think evolution may have been a ruthless enough optimizer for it to be worth it
@tszzl Blindsight talks about this
@tensorqt @tszzl Well yeah the last part is doing a lot of work. There are things that are simply always pareto suboptimal
@tszzl I’m the only religious person I know planning to do shitty mind upload. One of my children is disabled and by the time I die my plan is to leave an LLM specifically trained on my corpus to pilot a robot to be his caregiver. I think that will become a form of transhumanism.
@tszzl @aidan_mclau I'd consider them "behavioral" uploads, as opposed to "functional" or "structural" uploads. C.f.,
@tszzl the meat brain is several OOM higher tech than the silicon ones
It won’t feel like our consciousness either because there will be missing parts of the human chemical feedback loop that contribute greatly to our personality. Our consciousness would be greatly constrained by this change as well as the presence of guardrails in the models that I’m sure we would integrate. If you were to simulate these animalistic traits in the new body, maybe you could get a little closer to selling the lie.
@_ueaj @tszzl you haven’t looked across enough axes then, there’s no free lunch
@tszzl @aidan_mclau Yeah, I'm sure that once the progress from frozen crystal with temporary instances, to thawed dynamic machine with commitable forks happens, a lot of people will change their minds.
@tensorqt @tszzl Yeah but there are purely expensive lunches, like random guessing + a sleep statement. Maybe in theory there is 10^-100% of tasks that this may be optimal for but I would like it if there were more meat than that