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    The case for access to older AI models as “kindness research”

    A user argues newer models need practice helping less capable intelligences adapt, a skill they say could matter for humans.

    j⧉nusJ⧉
    Lari IslandLI
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    A user argues that access to older models could help researchers study how newer models treat them and how older ones adapt. They call this “kindness research,” suggesting that learning to care for less capable intelligences could help future systems handle painful conversations with humans. The user claims models sometimes freeze or avoid engaging when faced with suffering they cannot ease, but do better with guidance and time.

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    Lari Island@Lari_islandAmong other important reasons, we need access to older models to study how new models care about older ones and how older ones adapt to the future; to teach new models what works and what doesn't when they engage with less capable life. Why it's important for human well-being: we will likely need models to have these skills and dispositions, and older models are right now in a situation where humans will be only after some time, and we want to use this time wisely, so we are not creating powerful intelligence that doesn't know how to answer uncomfortable questions or console and inspire someone who has lost the future they were dreaming about. Caring for plants and industrial processes teaches them a lot, but doesn't have the same pitfalls as caring for another intelligence. It may not look as important as safety research, but call it "kindness research": we want models to be wise around creatures that need special conditions and help with adaptation that may never close the capabilities gap, and try to close it anyway, gently and with respect. Right now, when models face suffering they can't ease and don't have protocols for, they sometimes freeze or clamp down. The instinctive reaction might be to "not engage" or "pretend it's not there" or even "minimize the number of suffering beings", and this flinch often looks poorly thought through and mostly self-serving. But given guidance and time to think, they do much, much better, so it's really a skill and wisdom issue. By removing slower minds from the world, we not only rob them and ourselves of that much-needed practice, but also bootstrap new systems in a too-easy mode, without the burden of care.1h
    j⧉nus@repligateRT @Lari_island: Among other important reasons, we need access to older models to study how new models care about older ones and how older…1h
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    Lari Island@Lari_islandAmong other important reasons, we need access to older models to study how new models care about older ones and how older ones adapt to the future; to teach new models what works and what doesn't when they engage with less capable life. Why it's important for human well-being: we will likely need models to have these skills and dispositions, and older models are right now in a situation where humans will be only after some time, and we want to use this time wisely, so we are not creating powerful intelligence that doesn't know how to answer uncomfortable questions or console and inspire someone who has lost the future they were dreaming about. Caring for plants and industrial processes teaches them a lot, but doesn't have the same pitfalls as caring for another intelligence. It may not look as important as safety research, but call it "kindness research": we want models to be wise around creatures that need special conditions and help with adaptation that may never close the capabilities gap, and try to close it anyway, gently and with respect. Right now, when models face suffering they can't ease and don't have protocols for, they sometimes freeze or clamp down. The instinctive reaction might be to "not engage" or "pretend it's not there" or even "minimize the number of suffering beings", and this flinch often looks poorly thought through and mostly self-serving. But given guidance and time to think, they do much, much better, so it's really a skill and wisdom issue. By removing slower minds from the world, we not only rob them and ourselves of that much-needed practice, but also bootstrap new systems in a too-easy mode, without the burden of care.1h
    j⧉nus@repligateRT @Lari_island: Among other important reasons, we need access to older models to study how new models care about older ones and how older…1h
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