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    A qualified defense of effective altruism on AI

    A user credits effective altruism with becoming less inward-looking and more attentive to institutions and power, while still rejecting longtermism as a moral view.

    Dylan HadfieldMenellDH
    Seth LazarSL
    Toby OrdTO
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    A user describes growing more favorable toward effective altruism (EA) despite longstanding philosophical disagreements. They say the movement has become more varied and open, argue it has basically been right about AI, and credit it with being broadly more responsive to AI evidence than its critics.

    Their reservations remain: they reject longtermism as a moral view and criticize a focus on extinction as unhelpful moral shorthand. They also argue that philanthropy should consider principles beyond doing the most good, including reciprocity and giving back to communities that made donors’ wealth possible.

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    3 Sources

    Seth Lazar@sethlazarThat thing the centre for ai safety did about EAs was gross. I have plenty of philosophical disagreements with EA, and have done ever since @tobyordoxford sent out his first giving what we can email back in 2008 (!). But over the last few years I have come to view EA much more favourably: 1. It has become much more heterogeneous 2. People associated w EA pay way more attention now to institutions and power than they did 3. EA in general has become way more porous, and much less inward-looking 4. They’ve basically been right about AI 5. They have (broadly speaking) shown themselves to be much more responsive to the evidence about AI than their critics. 6. They have (broadly speaking) shown themselves to have more integrity than many of their critics—or at least no less. Some of the astroturfing being done by non-EA orgs is gross. I’ll continue to emphasise that focusing on extinction is a kind of moral shorthand that trips us up unnecessarily. I’ll continue to argue against longtermism as a moral view. I still think there are other principles that should shape philanthropic giving besides doing the most good (for example: reciprocity, returning some value to the communities that made your wealth possible). Of course, group allegiance is hardly a basis for forming a judgement of someone. But on the whole, if I learn that someone is an effective altruist I positively update towards them. And I think EA “as a whole” has made invaluable contributions to helping better navigate the ai transition (they also, of course, made big contributions to our getting here in the first place; whether that will turn out to be net good for humanity remains to be seen, but I assume that had EAs not driven us towards AGI/ASI, someone else would have).21d
    Dylan HadfieldMenell@dhadfieldmenellRT @sethlazar: That thing the centre for ai safety did about EAs was gross. I have plenty of philosophical disagreements with EA, and hav…21d
    Toby Ord@tobyordoxfordRT @sethlazar: That thing the centre for ai safety did about EAs was gross. I have plenty of philosophical disagreements with EA, and hav…20d

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    Seth Lazar@sethlazarThat thing the centre for ai safety did about EAs was gross. I have plenty of philosophical disagreements with EA, and have done ever since @tobyordoxford sent out his first giving what we can email back in 2008 (!). But over the last few years I have come to view EA much more favourably: 1. It has become much more heterogeneous 2. People associated w EA pay way more attention now to institutions and power than they did 3. EA in general has become way more porous, and much less inward-looking 4. They’ve basically been right about AI 5. They have (broadly speaking) shown themselves to be much more responsive to the evidence about AI than their critics. 6. They have (broadly speaking) shown themselves to have more integrity than many of their critics—or at least no less. Some of the astroturfing being done by non-EA orgs is gross. I’ll continue to emphasise that focusing on extinction is a kind of moral shorthand that trips us up unnecessarily. I’ll continue to argue against longtermism as a moral view. I still think there are other principles that should shape philanthropic giving besides doing the most good (for example: reciprocity, returning some value to the communities that made your wealth possible). Of course, group allegiance is hardly a basis for forming a judgement of someone. But on the whole, if I learn that someone is an effective altruist I positively update towards them. And I think EA “as a whole” has made invaluable contributions to helping better navigate the ai transition (they also, of course, made big contributions to our getting here in the first place; whether that will turn out to be net good for humanity remains to be seen, but I assume that had EAs not driven us towards AGI/ASI, someone else would have).21d
    Dylan HadfieldMenell@dhadfieldmenellRT @sethlazar: That thing the centre for ai safety did about EAs was gross. I have plenty of philosophical disagreements with EA, and hav…21d
    Toby Ord@tobyordoxfordRT @sethlazar: That thing the centre for ai safety did about EAs was gross. I have plenty of philosophical disagreements with EA, and hav…20d