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Testing the small-model limits of AI scaling laws

A reader of a FAIR and NYU paper says models below perhaps 64 million parameters need intensive tuning—and warns against equating easier tuning at larger tested scales with simpler training.

Lucas Beyer (bl16)LB
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A reader describes a paper by FAIR and NYU researchers exploring how far scaling laws extend to small models without losing fit or predictability. According to the thread, the researchers found that good training settings became easier to find as scale increased within their tests. The reader cautions that this does not mean training gets simpler: additional instabilities arise beyond the study’s scale range. They suggest models below perhaps 64 million parameters need intensive tuning. The thread also describes the paper’s finding that different ways of counting computation and parameters matter much less than tuning, while cautioning that small discrepancies in the low-loss region can still be significant.

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Lucas Beyer (bl16)@giffmanaPaper thread! I recently read this paper from some FAIR colleagues and NYU folks in depth, so making a thread while it's fresh in my head. The main point is seeing how far on the SMALL side we can go in scaling laws without losing fit or predictability, and what it takes?20d
Gael Varoquaux 🦋@GaelVaroquauxSuper excited about our Survey with Lihu Chen on the Role of Small Models in the LLM Era This topic is crucial in today's world https://direct.mit.edu/coli/article/doi/10.1162/COLI.a.652/139041/What-is-the-Role-of-Small-Models-in-the-LLM-Era-A19d
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    Lucas Beyer (bl16)@giffmanaPaper thread! I recently read this paper from some FAIR colleagues and NYU folks in depth, so making a thread while it's fresh in my head. The main point is seeing how far on the SMALL side we can go in scaling laws without losing fit or predictability, and what it takes?20d
    Gael Varoquaux 🦋@GaelVaroquauxSuper excited about our Survey with Lihu Chen on the Role of Small Models in the LLM Era This topic is crucial in today's world https://direct.mit.edu/coli/article/doi/10.1162/COLI.a.652/139041/What-is-the-Role-of-Small-Models-in-the-LLM-Era-A19d
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